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Is this a way to scam out of paying a tv license

stevoman

this debate is going on in work so i have decided to pick the AH brains (could be a mistake).

The question is - If you were to have and english sky box for example that does not have the RTE channels and you were to run the box off a computer screen and not a TV woudl you technically be exempt from having to pay a television license?

The way i see it is TV have the potentiel to pick up RTE as a terestrial channel through the aerial so thats why the say they can hit you with a TV license. But if you were using a computer screen would you not have to pay it.

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Local-womanizer

The was a man in Kerry who never paid his license,mainly because he could not get a signal.

He was brought to court over it and he won.The judge said why should he pay for a service that is not being supplied to him properly!

ShooterSF

Harry Huffnagle wrote: »

I've not opened his post.
The thing that was dropped in the letterbox yesterday was an attempted delivery card left by the postman - its not in an envelope.
He can sign this to allow me to go and collect it for him.
I'm just not sure if I should do this or not.

You really should have wrote "Return to sender. No such person at this address" on the original postage. Maybe go to the post office and tell them no such person lives there and you are refusing the registered letter as such. Expect the inspectors to call to you soon after though, I'd imagine.

Harry Huffnagle

ShooterSF wrote: »

You really should have wrote "Return to sender. No such person at this address" on the original postage. Maybe go to the post office and tell them no such person lives there and you are refusing the registered letter as such. Expect the inspectors to call to you soon after though, I'd imagine.

That would have been a good idea alright. I think I'll try that with the post office regarding the registered letter, and just get a licence tomorrow.

I rarely even use the tv anymore, as I just download or stream most programmes now.

DaeryssaOne

friends of mine got a registered letter last year. They had no idea what it was until they opened it and realised it was a summons. The hilarious thing is, is that they went to court and got fined LESS than the price of the license and never had to get a license anyway...

Mossy Monk

Harry Huffnagle wrote: »

I don't want to collect it, cause I will have to sign for it myself and provide ID etc. But I'm worried it may be a summons or something like that, and I don't want my mate having to go to court.

So I don't know whether to ignore it or collect it or maybe just a licence in my name right away.

Has anyone got a registered letter from these guys before?

It's not your letter so why would they give it to you anyway?

Harry Huffnagle

Mossy Monk wrote: »

It's not your letter so why would they give it to you anyway?

On the attempted delivery card that was left yesterday, there is a part where ther person its addressed to can sign and this allows another person to pick up the letter at the post office on their beahalf as long as they provide ID.

Basically this whole thing is my problem, and I wouldn't want my friend having to go to court over it. So I'm just not sure what the best course of action is to get it sorted.

sweetie

so when analogue tv is turned off (next year?) my tv will no longer be capable of getting a signal. Can I tell them to stuff their license?

Funny story; I was cooking a meal for a friend and in the middle the doorbell
rang and I answered to see this guy with a clipboard who looked as if he was
selling something and I told him 'not today thanks' and closed the door before
he had a chance to answer. Found a letter later that night from the inspector
saying he observed a Tv in the house and it was obviously through the gap under the blind.

Cringer

jaydoubleyoubee wrote: »

@ Bob Z

No, take the fuse out of the plug, the television set will appear to not work, however you can be prosecuted even if your tv is not working, but it is less likely to happen. As I said this is only good for students, who usually don't stay in the same place for more than 9 months.

If the inspector was quick enough, they could feel the back of the TV to check if it's still warm :P

grundie

I think I've come up with a great thing thing to say to the TV licence inspectors the next time they come round.

When they ask to have a look around my flat when I tell them I have no TV I will ask to look around theirs as they have no gun licence and I need to check that they don't actually have a gun.

That shoudl give them the hint.

(may fail if they do have a gun licence, but that's not liekly)

jaydoubleyoubee

Quick question does anyone know what a tv licence inspectors identification card or badge looks like?

You could tell a TV licence inspector that last week a fake inspector called, you let him in and he held a gun to your and stole your TV, and now you'll need more than a piece of plastic to prove who a stranger is, also, you're trespassing, gtfo.

Donny5

Helix wrote: »

they dont need a tuning card any more

a pc is sufficient to require a license

Edgedinblue wrote: »

i think the whole tv licence thing is a load of bull, its an un-needed waste of money. i defo dont agree with being charged for having a computer screen either. i mean theres mobile phones in china (that can be brought over here with no problem) that recieve tv and have a tv aerial... would you need a licence for that too?

No, you don't need a TV license for a phone under any circumstances.

Bob_Harris

I remember seeing this thread and never got around to post in it so here is my chance.

The net is cast a bit wide with the whole "equipment capable of receiving a television signal" thumb rule.

I mean, a satellite tuner can receive TV signals so to speak, but the only Irish TV channels ( i.e. the ones the TV license funds) on satellite are encrypted. Now to me an encrypted channel is nothing more than a data stream and does not exist as a channel until it is decrypted.

As for the murmurs of needing a TV license for any PC with internet connection because I might / can look at RTE Player, well that's just nonsensical if it comes in.

Anyone might / can look at child porn on the internet but that doesn't mean everyone with a PC and internet connection is sent to prison regardless if they do or do not look at it.

Also, what if I have a PC, internet connection and a web browser but I do not have Flash player installed. RTE Player will not work without Flash.

I can't see it being brought in for PCs with a net connection.

coolabula

Local-womanizer wrote: »

The was a man in Kerry who never paid his license,mainly because he could not get a signal.

He was brought to court over it and he won.The judge said why should he pay for a service that is not being supplied to him properly!

Do you have more info on this? like date?
Same problem with me, have tv for kids to play the Wii and watch DVD, have no signal, just static, explained this to the Inspector but he said needed a licence anyway, i rang RTE but they said its nothing to with them!! its An Post cause they collect the money and it goes to the government and RTE then get a grant from the government.
I'm pissed off here, dont mind paying a once off licence fee (but why should I) defo dont want to pay RTE for a service they are not providing and frankly I can do without.
The gas thing is that not only are RTE and An Post passing the ball to each other every time I ring, RTE said if I get a licence they will call out and see what the problem is with my reception!!!!
Let them bring me to court I really dont care :mad:

OK rant over Thanks

thegen

A little off topic but I have been told that the inspectors are hitting all the mobile home sites in Ireland. Should be fun

Greenmachine

coolabula wrote: »

Do you have more info on this? like date?
Same problem with me, have tv for kids to play the Wii and watch DVD, have no signal, just static, explained this to the Inspector but he said needed a licence anyway, i rang RTE but they said its nothing to with them!! its An Post cause they collect the money and it goes to the government and RTE then get a grant from the government.
I'm pissed off here, dont mind paying a once off licence fee (but why should I) defo dont want to pay RTE for a service they are not providing and frankly I can do without.
The gas thing is that not only are RTE and An Post passing the ball to each other every time I ring, RTE said if I get a licence they will call out and see what the problem is with my reception!!!!
Let them bring me to court I really dont care :mad:

OK rant over Thanks

Hopefully it won't need to come to you being brought to court. However the Judge might very easily follow the letter of the law in which case you have a Tv capable of receiving a signal. UNfortunately that is all that is nessesary in order to need a TV license.

coolabula

After calming down I remembered that we had Chorus out to our house a while back to get connected, the guy was on the roof and couldnt get a signal, so they are sending me a letter confirming this, hopefully this will be enough, if not its bye bye TV as I refuse to pay it, so fingers crossed or the kids will have to way to play their Wii.

Mossy Monk

coolabula wrote: »

the guy was on the roof and couldnt get a signal, so they are sending me a letter confirming this, hopefully this will be enough

You will still have a television tuner which is what the licence is for. The licence is not for receiving RTÉ.

coolabula

Mossy Monk wrote: »

You will still have a television tuner which is what the licence is for. The licence is not for receiving RTÉ.

is this in the TV??
can it be removed??

ROCKMAN

Let him in and

a Kill him and hide the body behind the sofa
or
b Give him a class of coke and charge him € 166.00 for it.
or
c And leg it from the flat screaming RAPE RAPE

mickoneill30

coolabula wrote: »

is this in the TV??
can it be removed??

Yes & Yes but I sent AnPost in a question like that a while ago. They sent back

"My understanding of your situation is that you possess a TV set which has been adapted to disable its signal reception capability.
In legal terms a television set, as per the Broadcasting and Wireless Telegraphy Act 1988,
means "any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

Based on this broad definition, An Post's contention is that even if a television set is modified and not used to receive television signals it is still an apparatus for wireless telegraphy and as such requires a licence."

So disabling the tuner isn't good enough for An Post.

raindog.promo

In legal terms a television set, as per the Broadcasting and Wireless Telegraphy Act 1988,
means "any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception

But if the tuner is removed then the apparatus is incapable of receiving a broadcast and therefore doesn't qualify as a television set?

whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

This wouldn't apply either way then because the apparatus doesn't qualify as a television set?

RoyalMarine

do i need a tv licence if i only use my tv to connect to my pc?
i dont have sky, nor chorus, nor co-ax etc. its basically used as a monitor to do my college work on.

Dublin_Gunner

RoyalMarineComm wrote: »

do i need a tv licence if i only use my tv to connect to my pc?
i dont have sky, nor chorus, nor co-ax etc. its basically used as a monitor to do my college work on.

Yes.