debaptism

wudangclan

mornin' ah'ers.
is it possible to be depabtised from the catholic church in this country?
is there a procedure one can follow?
normally i would be indifferent,having abandoned the church years ago,but this weeks events left me thinking i would no longer like to be an official member of such an organisation.
i searched google and it's possible to do in england and france as far as i can ascertain so i was just wodering if anyone has any experience in this matter.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Creep into a church and write "**** the pope" on the wall. That should do it. Alternatively, you could just go gay.

Nehaxak

I always thought there was a way to be "excommunicated" officially but never really looked into it myself much. I'd like a document from the pope that says something along the lines of "We understand you think the Church is full of pedo's and child abusers so with that in mind and your request at hand, I'd like to confirm your request as such to be ex-communicated from the Catholic church. Please herewith find enclosed blah blah blah etc.,"

..but really, is there any official way of doing it without becoming a Protestant or something ??

Joey the lips

wudangclan wrote: »

mornin' ah'ers.
is it possible to be depabtised from the catholic church in this country?
is there a procedure one can follow?
normally i would be indifferent,having abandoned the church years ago,but this weeks events left me thinking i would no longer like to be an official member of such an organisation.
i searched google and it's possible to do in england and france as far as i can ascertain so i was just wodering if anyone has any experience in this matter.

I am guessing your 16 right! let me get this straight! You want to profess before god and the world that your ditching him! Thank god this is after hours because its the daftest sh1t I ever heard! Get real if you dont want to practice religion dont practice it! Why do you feel the need to clean yourself.

Why is it that you like so many others blame your lack of faith on the events of the church at the moment! The church is guidence if you dont agree with it discover your own way but dont condem a faith because of the deeds of the baxtards in it.

I give you a good one! are you thinking of emergrating! because the church while guilty, no doubt in my mind was aided by the state who sat back even though protests came through in the 60's. See media dont discuss that! why cause its not interesting! But the state sat back and allowed it. Thats why I have no problem with the state paying 10 billion

We as a state are as guilty as the goverment

Discover your faith or reject it but jasus your making some statement by wanting to declare to the world that your rejecting it... Pure daftness!

Mr.Lizard

You could use this until a better solution reveals itself

http://www.secularism.org.uk/debaptism.html

wudangclan

Joey the lips wrote: »

I am guessing your 16 right! let me get this straight! You want to profess before god and the world that your ditching him! Thank god this is after hours because its the daftest sh1t I ever heard! Get real if you dont want to practice religion dont practice it! Why do you feel the need to clean yourself.

Why is it that you like so many others blame your lack of faith on the events of the church at the moment! The church is guidence if you dont agree with it discover your own way but dont condem a faith because of the deeds of the baxtards in it.

I give you a good one! are you thinking of emergrating! because the church while guilty, no doubt in my mind was aided by the state who sat back even though protests came through in the 60's. See media dont discuss that! why cause its not interesting! But the state sat back and allowed it. Thats why I have no problem with the state paying 10 billion

We as a state are as guilty as the goverment

Discover your faith or reject it but jasus your making some statement by wanting to declare to the world that your rejecting it... Pure daftness!

no.i'm 33.
i had no involvement in the abuse or cover up of abuse of minors.i am guilty of nothing in this regard.
i rejected the church in my teens and have already regularly declared doing so.
my post here is to simply enquire about a procedure for taking myself off the memberlist of the catholic church.
thanks.

Joey the lips

wudangclan wrote: »

no.i'm 33.
i had no involvement in the abuse or cover up of abuse of minors.i am guilty of nothing in this regard.
i rejected the church in my teens and have already regularly declared doing so.
my post here is to enquire about a procedure for taking myself off the memberlist of the catholic church.
thanks.

You would seriously want to read then, If you understand the proverb the prodical son your rejection and delisting from the members list has been noted! i see your need to declare it to us as a form of adhd, Seriously why? If you understood anything about the faith you were signed into you have already been accepted as an opt out!

I additionally suspect like many teens you questioned your faith! quite normal but at 33 you were a teenager 15 - 20 years ago! this was not discussed then so your arguement is flawed!

Oh and on the abuse, none of us have involvement in this! it was pedo scumbags who used the church to there advantage! Or do you think every church of Ireland member is same faced as Ian Paisley. The only thing we are guilty of is sitting back and allowing it, and guess what no amount of clensing will rid us of it!

You seriously need a hobby, try reading! the bible is a good start! Its nice to understand what your ditching!

finally as a practiceing catholic I absolb you from all your sins and give you permission to opt out of my club! Jasus do you see how daft it all sounds! ie will it be a catholic or athieist opting you out!

If you cant see this proposal as daft you seriously need to get out more!

Try a mosk or temple!

wudangclan

Joey the lips wrote: »

You would seriously want to read then, If you understand the proverb the prodical son your rejection and delisting from the members list has been noted! i see your need to declare it to us as a form of adhd, Seriously why? If you understood anything about the faith you were signed into you have already been accepted as an opt out!

I additionally suspect like many teens you questioned your faith! quite normal but at 33 you were a teenager 15 - 20 years ago! this was not discussed then so your arguement is flawed!

Oh and on the abuse, none of us have involvement in this! it was pedo scumbags who used the church to there advantage! Or do you think every church of Ireland member is same faced as Ian Paisley. The only thing we are guilty of is sitting back and allowing it, and guess what no amount of clensing will rid us of it!

You seriously need a hobby, try reading! the bible is a good start! Its nice to understand what your ditching!

finally as a practiceing catholic I absolb you from all your sins and give you permission to opt out of my club! Jasus do you see how daft it all sounds! ie will it be a catholic or athieist opting you out!

If you cant see this proposal as daft you seriously need to get out more!

Try a mosk or temple!

thanks

jester77

Sure can, I've a friend in the process at the moment, he's waiting for his certificate of defection which he wants to frame! Have a read of this. TBH, I don't see the point of defecting, so what if you were baptised. I find the belief thing a load of nonsense, each to their own, but I don't see what this proves. Now if people in Ireland were paying a church tax then I could understand.

Joey the lips

jester77 wrote: »

TBH, I don't see the point of defecting, so what if you were baptised. I find the belief thing a load of nonsense, each to their own, but I don't see what this proves..

Good to see sense in the morning!

phasers

Sure if you don't believe in any of it a baptism is just water on your head.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Joey the lips wrote: »

You would seriously want to read then, If you understand the proverb the prodical son your rejection and delisting from the members list has been noted! i see your need to declare it to us as a form of adhd, Seriously why? If you understood anything about the faith you were signed into you have already been accepted as an opt out!

I additionally suspect like many teens you questioned your faith! quite normal but at 33 you were a teenager 15 - 20 years ago! this was not discussed then so your arguement is flawed!

Oh and on the abuse, none of us have involvement in this! it was pedo scumbags who used the church to there advantage! Or do you think every church of Ireland member is same faced as Ian Paisley. The only thing we are guilty of is sitting back and allowing it, and guess what no amount of clensing will rid us of it!

You seriously need a hobby, try reading! the bible is a good start! Its nice to understand what your ditching!

finally as a practiceing catholic I absolb you from all your sins and give you permission to opt out of my club! Jasus do you see how daft it all sounds! ie will it be a catholic or athieist opting you out!

If you cant see this proposal as daft you seriously need to get out more!

Try a mosk or temple!

Is there a point in all this? He's not going to start reading the bible if he has no particular faith. Quotes from sriptures is not going to have any effect.

As for your assumptions:
Where did he cite church abuse as a reason? Why did you bring it up?
How do you know he has no hobbies?

Why would he want to wrear a mask?

Mr.Lizard

TBH, I don't see the point of defecting

The catholic church are over-represented in this country by virture that their membership are enlisted before they even have a say in the matter.

The offical percentage of catholics in the Republic of Ireland is over 85%. I wonder what that figure would be if individuals were allowed to make the informed decision as an adult instead of being more or less forced into joining soon after birth.

How many people here would go thru newly designed ritual in your 20s say in order to officially become a member of the catholic church? 85%?

Kiera

Oh not another stupid poxy religious thread :mad:

Sam Vimes

I can see one possible reason for doing this. I've always thought the figure of 1 billion catholics being floated around was wildly optimistic so if we all officially deregistered and we knew the true number, the vatican would hold less clout when it was making its ridiculous statements and the church would hold less clout over governments

Mr.Lizard

http://dublinstreams.blogspot.com/2007/11/leaving-irish-catholic-church-its.html

stovelid

News just in: Pope devastated.

philologos

wudangclan wrote: »

mornin' ah'ers.
is it possible to be depabtised from the catholic church in this country?
is there a procedure one can follow?

Unfortunately not from a religious point of view. By being baptised you were meant to be baptised into Jesus Christ's death and ressurection so that you could become a new person fully transformed in Jesus Christ. This of course has to be accompanied by faith. Jesus said that you must be born again of water and the Spirit.

wudangclan wrote: »

normally i would be indifferent,having abandoned the church years ago,but this weeks events left me thinking i would no longer like to be an official member of such an organisation.

This is a shame. Unfortunately people are going to see the Catholic Church and these abuses as representative of the whole of Christianity which is far from the truth.

I would advise you to insist on being more honest in the next Census so the Government can see you no longer hold Catholic views.

wudangclan wrote: »

i searched google and it's possible to do in england and france as far as i can ascertain so i was just wodering if anyone has any experience in this matter.

I don't know how it is possible at all. It is meant to be an irreversable spiritual act, however I would probably argue that infant baptism may well be too soon to baptise anyone.

My name is URL

As Agnostic as I am, I don't think I'd want to be debaptised.

Just for my families sake tbh

MysticalSoul

As far as I know, you have to meet with the Bishop to be able to do this. There was a thread wee while back on this on the pagan board, so might be worth having a look over there.

brianthebard

Jakkass wrote: »

Unfortunately not from a religious point of view. By being baptised you were meant to be baptised into Jesus Christ's death and ressurection so that you could become a new person fully transformed in Jesus Christ. This of course has to be accompanied by faith. Jesus said that you must be born again of water and the Spirit.

Are you saying that the church has a claim on all baptised people which can't be given back? What happens convertees? Not very charitable of the church tbh.

@Sam Vines, I'm pretty sure the church counts lapsed catholics as part of their followers to bump up the figures.

philologos

brianthebard wrote: »

Are you saying that the church has a claim on all baptised people which can't be given back? What happens convertees? Not very charitable of the church tbh.

@Sam Vines, I'm pretty sure the church counts lapsed catholics as part of their followers to bump up the figures.

All I'm saying is that I have never heard of a baptism in any church being revoked, and I doubt giving the understanding of Christians concerning baptism that revoking it would be an option any time soon. I don't see how it's "uncharitable" of any church not to revoke a baptism.

As for your comment to Sam Vimes, I'd be pretty certain of that. I also think that many lapsed Catholics put themselves down as Catholics on the census.

Riamfada

Shouldnt you take this up with your parents? Are they not the fuckers that got you baptised?

Alternatively you can just text STOP to 53112 to stop those pesky Catholics from texting you

Mena

Try these, they're very helpful:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055184468&highlight=leaving+catholic+church

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055518223&highlight=leaving+catholic+church

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055525360&highlight=leaving+catholic+church

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055293725&highlight=leaving+catholic+church

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055244440&highlight=leaving+catholic+church

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055063723&highlight=leaving+catholic+church

Cianos

The church still has too much pulling power in this country, a cause of which would be their membership numbers. And their numbers are way over represented because the vast majority of people call themselves catholic just because it's the default thing to do. It takes effort to NOT be a catholic. This really shouldn't be the case as it gives an unfair monopoly to the organisation and has an effect on everyones lives without merit. Opting out if you don't consider yourself as part of the church, is a responsible thing to do imo, because it is a more fair representation of the actual following they have.

wudangclan

phasers wrote: »

Sure if you don't believe in any of it a baptism is just water on your head.

true.
just i'd like to make a small protest in the light of last weeks revelations,and as sam vines says i don't see why i should help make up the numbers

wudangclan

Jakkass wrote: »

I would advise you to insist on being more honest in the next Census so the Government can see you no longer hold Catholic views.

you're assuming there that i did tick the catholic box

O'Coonassa

Jakkass wrote: »

Jesus said that you must be born again of water and the Spirit.

Was it not John the Baptist who said that? Or was he just dunking people in the Jordan for the cod?

wudangclan

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Was it not John the Baptist who said that? Or was he just dunking people in the Jordan for the cod?

there are no cod to be found in the jordan.only trout and salmon. so,no.

O'Coonassa

Cianos wrote: »

And their numbers are way over represented because the vast majority of people call themselves catholic just because it's the default thing to do.

You can't get your kids into school if they aren't Catholic, that's where the problem lies. Nobody actually believes anymore you're going to hell for using condoms or any of the other nonsense, but because of the Irish State they have to make out they do.

philologos

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Was it not John the Baptist who said that? Or was he just dunking people in the Jordan for the cod?

No. Jesus to Nicodemus (Jn 3:5).

You can't get your kids into school if they aren't Catholic, that's where the problem lies. Nobody actually believes anymore you're going to hell for using condoms or any of the other nonsense, but because of the Irish State they have to make out they do.

Yes you can. Try a Church of Ireland school, Educate Together, and even in Catholic schools there are kids who are not Catholic attending them they just get 2nd preference to Catholics in accomodation.

Cianos wrote: »

It takes effort to NOT be a catholic.

I've been getting on fine all my life

brianthebard

Jakkass wrote: »

No. Jesus to Nicodemus (Jn 3:5).



Yes you can. Try a Church of Ireland school, Educate Together, and even in Catholic schools there are kids who are not Catholic attending them they just get 2nd preference to Catholics in accomodation.

Some people would call that discrimination.

philologos

brianthebard wrote: »

Some people would call that discrimination.

Some people would also call it protecting religious ethos. I think secular schools would be a good thing too, but imposing a non-denominational stance on faith schools isn't the solution. The Government needs to get behind building more secular schools if there is a demand. Funnily enough trends in other countries show that members of other faiths generally don't mind a Christian influence in public life.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1154683 wrote:

A BBC report on the poll said: ‘The findings contrast with calls from some politicians and secularist groups to exclude faith from the public arena. ‘The findings support other evidence of an alliance between people of different faith groups in resisting secularism.
‘Many Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and members of other minority religious groups would rather have a Christian-based framework to national life than one that is entirely secular.’

I can say though, I have no doubt that non-denominational schools will increase in the next few years, and I think that is a good thing as people should have a choice. In the Constitution it says that parents should be able to educate their children on moral and religious matters in whatever way they see fit. More choice will allow them to do this.

O'Coonassa

Jakkass wrote: »

No. Jesus to Nicodemus (Jn 3:5).

Ah yeah but Jesus ripped the whole idea off of John the Baptizer is what I'm saying, although it's funny there's no account of him baptising anybody in the gospels except in John 3:22 which contradicts itself on the matter in John 4:1 hmmm...

Jakkass wrote: »

Yes you can. Try a Church of Ireland school, Educate Together, and even in Catholic schools there are kids who are not Catholic attending them they just get 2nd preference to Catholics in accomodation.

What you're saying sounds fine and egalitarian but in practice over 90% of the schools are Catholic and as you say none-Catholics are second class in the selection process. We really ought to secularise our country IMO

MysticalSoul

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055293725

philologos

O'Coonassa wrote: »

Ah yeah but Jesus ripped the whole idea off of John the Baptizer is what I'm saying, although it's funny there's no account of him baptising anybody in the gospels except in John 3:22 which contradicts itself on the matter in John 4:1 hmmm...

John the Baptizer was the forerunner to Jesus. In Jewish prophetic literature, there had to be a prophet to lead the way for the Messiah to come. In Christianity it's believed that John served this purpose. Baptism was a Jewish practice before it was incorporated to Christianity, although it served a different purpose to what it served in Christianity. The mikveh was a ritual purification of sins, and you will find in the Jewish Torah that it was used it one had been in a state of uncleaness to be cleansed and to be brought back into the community. John used it for the cleansing of sins, the early Church used it for the cleansing of sin and the initiation process to the Christian church. It has a longer history than Christianity does.

I don't see any contradiction between those two verses, however it's probably best to bring them up in the Christianity forum as I've been sternly warned to go easy on the Bible passages in AH.

O'Coonassa wrote: »

What you're saying sounds fine and egalitarian but in practice over 90% of the schools are Catholic and as you say none-Catholics are second class in the selection process. We really ought to secularise our country IMO

If the people want change they should be supporting secular schools to start up and start pulling their children out of Catholic schools. When I was being educated in a COI primary and COI secondary school I found that quite a few of my friends didn't belong to that denomination or hadn't been baptised (usually because they were Pentecostals or Evangelicals) but I'm sure that atheists would also have been considered.

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Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Creep into a church and write "**** the pope" on the wall. That should do it. Alternatively, you could just go gay.

Or creep into the vatican and fúck the pope.
Just to be sure, like.

i71jskz5xu42pb

O'Coonassa wrote: »

John the Baptizer

Jakkass wrote: »

John the Baptizer

If you're going to shyte on like some kind of expert the least you could do is get the guy's name right. Lends to the authenticity.

O'Coonassa

Helena Bitter Ginseng wrote: »

Or creep into the vatican and fúck the pope.
Just to be sure, like.

You sure that's sure? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phYyyYrfaeM

O'Coonassa

Helena Bitter Ginseng wrote: »

If you're going to shyte on like some kind of expert the least you could do is get the guy's name right. Lends to the authenticity.

http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50271787/Handbag.jpg

The Mandeans call him John the Baptizer, they think Jesus was a con man.

galwayrush

Why bother being unbabtised?

Kiera

galwayrush wrote: »

Why bother being unbabtised?

I'd nearly do it just to piss Jakkass off

philologos

Kiera wrote: »

I'd nearly do it just to piss Jakkass off

Your faith is yours alone, it won't annoy me if you tick off the Vatican either.

Kiera

Jakkass wrote: »

Your faith is yours alone, it won't annoy me if you tick off the Vatican either.

I actually went to the doc coz i thought i was suffering from narcalespy. Turns out my falling asleep was from reading your god posts

Fizman

Apparently, if you want to go ahead with this, I heard that you need to exhume the remains of St John the Baptist himself.

Then give him a bottle of JD, and a whispa.

You're good to go then.

galwayrush

Seriously, i can do it for you. fee €500 cash, or €700 + Vat if you want a receipt.:p

wudangclan

Fizman wrote: »

Apparently, if you want to go ahead with this, I heard that you need to exhume the remains of St John the Baptist himself.

Then give him a bottle of JD, and a whispa.

You're good to go then.

done.i saw his head in damascus. i gave him a whisper.will that suffice?

Caoimhín

OP, it is futile running about the place trying to get un-baptised, it is only symbolic.

If you really want to do some good, try your best to convince those close to you that none of this god stuff is true, that is all a load of nonsense and a fairy tale at best.

philologos

Caoimhín wrote: »

If you really want to do some good, try your best to convince those close to you that none of this god stuff is true, that is all a load of nonsense and a fairy tale at best.

What's the point? How is that going to do any good for anyone, particularly those who see their faith as the driving force of their lives?

If you believe that after you die you're going to rot in the ground and that's it what does it matter if someone rejects faith in God?

wudangclan

Caoimhín wrote: »

OP, it is futile running about the place trying to get un-baptised, it is only symbolic.

If you really want to do some good, try your best to convince those close to you that none of this god stuff is true, that is all a load of nonsense and a fairy tale at best.

i heard it mentioned on france news 24 this morning and just wondered was it possible to do here.so i thought i'd ask here and generate some debate at the sametime.
since this morning i've read where the catholic church in sydney is threatening to ban rugby from schools because a player there was involved in an alleged rape,so i thought debaptism on my behalf would register a small,if futile,protest against the rape and abuse of 170,000 children.
symbolic but somehow appropriate.

(i'm agnostic so i wouldn't be trying to convince anyone of the non+existence of god,altohugh admittedly i dont believe the testamnets should be taken litreally)

Caoimhín

Jakkass wrote: »

What's the point?

The point is that i dont like to see those close to me deluding themselves.

If a friend believed that he was in fact Napoleon, I would do my best to convince him otherwise. Same applies to believing that he/she was close friends with supernatural ghost that created the universe.

Both delusions, both unhealthy.