Finally given up on the Sporting Emprium!

The Tourist

I'm not going to echo whats already been said, but I agree with most of it.

I suggest banding togethor and writing to the SE poker managers to let them know clearly how we feel and what we think.

I'd organise this, but I'm already in the middle writing a thesis, so step forward a willing volunteer with more time...

El Stuntman

The Tourist wrote: »

I'm not going to echo whats already been said, but I agree with most of it.

I suggest banding togethor and writing to the SE poker managers to let them know clearly how we feel and what we think.

I'd organise this, but I'm already in the middle writing a thesis, so step forward a willing volunteer with more time...

why not just point them to this thread?

jbravado

It has to be obvious that the SE has less than zero interest in providing a decent poker room. It is actually amazing they have any poker punters at all. It is a pity, but tbf the Fitz has upped its game and is providing a good service at the moment and it would make more sense to support that than to try and convince the SE powers who have treated their poker clientale as poorly as possible,presumably trying to discourage their attendance.

LuckyLloyd

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The Tourist

El Stuntman wrote: »

why not just point them to this thread?

Could mention the thread in the letter/email. I think writing to them has more impact and finality though. The letter/email could summarise whats here. People seem to really want the place to pick up. I know I do. Direct contact could give them a boost if they realise that people actually care. It has to be pretty depressing working in there at the moment.

strewelpeter

The only reason that there is poker in the SE in the format there is now is that it looks good in the context of the forthcoming legislation.

El Stuntman

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well, they had decent floor managers for sure in John and Alex - and Duke and Bernard before them weren't bad either.

agreed

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Moreover, most regular poker players are bad customers.

1. They can't be counted on to turn up on a given night / for a given game.
2. They go broke every so often.
3. They are obnoxious to staff / new customers.
4. They don't always tip well / at all.
5. They are always complaining.

true that

I got 1 and 2
I'm generally only obnoxious to people I know and I always tip (for purely selfish karma reasons). I only complain about bad beats to Bad Beat Joe because I know I'll get an enthusiastic audience.

hmmmm

tylerdurden94

DAMO72 wrote: »

It's true what they say about a week being a long time in politics. Just over a week ago there was a few posters on here defending the SE for their tourney's and structures and now they are here slating them for having crappy games and doing nothin for players. Make up your mind's

Well done Damo on skewing the facts and trying to making us out to be Hypocrites we were clearly debating the merits of a satellite that doesn't really have much to do with the other problems that have been mentioned here.

DAMO72 wrote: »

Well why support them when they run the likes of a sat for the irish open, Thats only telling them that your not happy with the place but you will turn up anyway. Tell me this Dom , If they had run that same game without it being a sat for the open how many players do ya reckon would have turned up.

I can give you a answer to that probably zero.

YULETIRED

My left index finger does not bear a solid enough fingerprint (due to calloused fingertips) to get me past security in a timely manner, so I've often been held up in security at tounry kick off time. The plush surrounds of the SE also attract the more feminine types IMO. I walked in one night and there was Olly, Stunty and two transvestites having a rare ol time , I moved in further to the poker tables where Eddie the Eagle and bad beat Joe were locking antlers on a raggy board and with a K on the river Eddie of course sucked out, Joe would look grey and worn as he'd stutter his way out the exit door and on to Irish open glory. Sometimes some glamourous but extremely drunk wimmins would arrive in and heave their bussoms at the cold staid poker players who'd get aroused, flustered, then head off to the bathroom and plug the leak, come back and complain about the drunken wimmins holding up the game. Yep the SE did have it's own little Je ne sais quoi, but the problem being the suits do not respect people who left thier premises WITH money. At the end of the night the people queuing up to cash in thier chips seemed to be mostly poker players.
Therein lies the problem, if the poker players all agreed to put thier winnings on 9 red each night before they went home, you'd probably have the best structured, best dealered poker room in Ireland.

eoghan104

I dont understand why all of you want the SE to succeed so much. In my opinion the punters owe the place absolutley nothing. The fitz is a better card club in every way bar one, asthetics. They listen to customers and the fact they have a players commitee really helps. I agree that the SE used to be great and all that but they have done nothing for the punters and i would never go out of my way to help now due to this. If they want a second gaming floor then let them have it and move on.

The fitz for me is a far better club for many reasons........

Staff
Food
Parking
Tournies
Cash
Omaha
General Action

I cant think of one thing the SE does or has done better than the Fitz in the past except just look better!!!! Ive always found it friendly and welcoming with plenty of fish like myself so I dont know why so many of you dont like it.

As for the Jackpot......... Dont get me started, what a Sh*thole!!!!

Just my 2c

semibluff

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The human resource manager for the SE seems to be doing a fine job, upper management is not.

EDIT: Also tbh, in terms of euro earned per square foot of premises poker is always going to be <<<<< gaming in terms of profitability. And sure, while a thriving poker room would attract people in the front door - the reality is that a majority of regular poker players are not good gaming punters. One does not really feed the other. ...

Strongly disagree with the above lloyd.

For one, the HR manager was brought in and dropped the axe on alot of the staff. I "heard" alot of the staff were approaching pay increases due to the length of time they were there. Alot of pit bosses were also culled too. The biggest laugh i got was when i heard 3 months into being brought in for this purpose, the HR manager also got the boot himself. (told to me by a few agrieved ex-employee's so may not be true)

As for the cross sale from the poker to the house games, you completely under-value the importance of this. Alot of casino's run poker as a break-even or at a loss, to try and get bodies in the door for the house games. If there is a full house of poker players up stairs which results in 10% of them playing the house games, this would be deemed a result. Because you and your group of poker player friends dont "spunk" on house games, certainly doesnt mean it doesnt happen. In short, apart from adding up the rake & reg that we see, we are still unable to actually see the value ourselves without being able to see the house game figures.

Personally, as a business alone, if the gaming floor was crying out for more room and was constantly busy, then it makes sense for them to remove the poker room, and have more gaming tables. BUT although the gaming floor is busy, I dont think that this is the situation. If this is correct, then maxising the poker floor is the obvious option and would surely be one that anyone with a proper say in running the business would be very eager to hear. Send them letters guys!

brianmc

A thread for slow learners IMO

thenutpeddler

Lets all go in for the double chance tonight for old time's sake.

eddie the eagle and bad beat joe will guarentee 2k.

carfax

semibluff wrote: »

As for the cross sale from the poker to the house games, you completely under-value the importance of this. Alot of casino's run poker as a break-even or at a loss, to try and get bodies in the door for the house games. If there is a full house of poker players up stairs which results in 10% of them playing the house games, this would be deemed a result. Because you and your group of poker player friends dont "spunk" on house games, certainly doesnt mean it doesnt happen. In short, apart from adding up the rake & reg that we see, we are still unable to actually see the value ourselves without being able to see the house game figures.

Agree with the above completely, and a busy casino only gets busier. If a random blackjack/roulette player walks in and sees the poker floor full as well as a few bodies on the gaming floor they are far more likely to come back and the gaming floor will build business by this.

I know very little about running a casino floor but the reason that poker has gone through so many life cycles in the SE is this (imho);
1. The management were starting off and decided to get bodies in the door through going to poker tournaments and signing up new members (as well as advertising elsewhere and putting effort in to accommodate their punters etc)....
2. The gaming then takes off and is doing reasonably well.
3. The poker floor gets the shaft by upper management because the gaming floor is doing so well. It gets closed on random nights and poker players needs are not catered to.
4. The gaming floor starts to die a slow death as there aren't as many punters coming in and out of the premises.
5. A big push goes for the poker floor from the management, they start guaranteeing tournaments and running a Boards.ie dedicated tournament etc.
6. The gaming floor starts to do fairly well again.
7. It goes round in circles from here until upper management finally get the idea.

Stephen.

DAMO72

tylerdurden94 wrote: »

Well done Damo on skewing the facts and trying to making us out to be Hypocrites we were clearly debating the merits of a satellite that doesn't really have much to do with the other problems that have been mentioned here.



I can give you a answer to that probably zero.

No need to thank me Danny but cheers anyway.:)

tylerdurden94

DAMO72 wrote: »

No need to thank me Danny but cheers anyway.:)

Macspower

eoghan104 wrote: »

As for the Jackpot......... Dont get me started, what a Sh*thole!!!!

Just my 2c

why is this? just because you stole 8 euro or something off them

eagle eye

I have not been in the place for a long, but I have not been in any other card room in Dublin either. I like the place, really comfortable to play cards in. I just don't understand how the Fitz does so well. People complain about not being looked after in the SE, but ffs Luke started up a place and he always looked after people and he got no business either.

Hmm, maybe if Luke could get the lease for the SE..........

TigersBunker

Lao Lao wrote: »

Just to echoe what a few others have already said. I've posted on this before and it's sad to see even more regs now looking to play elsewhere. I'm not playing as much live as I used to but now when I go out, it's almost an effort to go to the SE. If I want a cash game, I'm going to have to wait until 10:30-11 and if I want a tourney, then the only night really worth while going into the SE is Sunday night and even then, the max you are going to get is 4 tables.

It used to be such a great place but middle and upper management have made a complete balls of it. I remember about 4-6 months ago, I was asked by one of th senior managers if I had any suggestions for the poker room (They were apparently canvassing the players) While I didn't give any ground breaking ideas, everything that I did say was completely ignored and the canvassing players thing was clearly a load of crap.

I was in the Fitz weekend before last and I counted 15-20 old SE regs playing there in one night. I personnally don't like the Fitz (no logical reason for this just something about it) but sadly if I'm playing live, this is now my first port of call. I will no doubt head into the SE every now and then but until they get their act together (if they ever do) I'll be playing elsewhere

Somebody here mentioned that the management of the SE read these pages, I laughed out loud at that one, I really did. I doubt the middle and upper management of the SE know how to turn a PC on, they are only able to schmoooze people down on the gaming floor, that sadly is the extent of the skillset. I am actually tempted to write to Mr Desmond, just to see what kind of re-action it would get?

It would have very little impact. Martin Moore(Chief exec) is your man that makes the final decisions on all counts. You get very little sense out of him and he has absolutely no casino background, poker or otherwise. Maybe therein lies their deepest problem from the very beginning....

eoghan104

Macspower wrote: »

why is this? just because you stole 8 euro or something off them

HAHA yeh thats the main reason allright!!!

I just think the place is full of creeps and people who really shouldnt be in there. Degeneracy FTW tho I guess!!

jbravado

eoghan104 wrote: »

I just think the place is full of creeps and people who really shouldnt be in there. Degeneracy FTW tho I guess!!

Every casino is full of low lifes. Just because the SE looks a little more pretty,it makes it easier to ignore the obvious.

El Stuntman

jbravado wrote: »

Every casino is full of low lifes. Just because the SE looks a little more pretty,it makes it easier to ignore the obvious.

how dare you sir, the SE regular attendees are the cream of society

that's why they have a dress code (no arms cut off either)

LuckyLloyd

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El Stuntman

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Ektor anyone?

<shivers>

no wonder you quit teh pokerz

malinh

El Stuntman wrote: »

<shivers>

no wonder you quit teh pokerz

I bring my ipod to the SE just in case he is at my table. The Jackpot is 90% student types the majority of times I have ventured in. I find the Fitz a truely depressing place and will usually check the other two for a game first.

ollyk1

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The Fitz is full of people holding beaten life dockets aswell. And some of the regulars in the SE when I was playing would truly depress me. Ektor anyone?

Lets not go any further down this road. We're getting a bit high on our internet horses here.

Poker is full of scum. Everywhere and every level.

YULETIRED

ollyk1 wrote: »

Lets not go any further down this road. We're getting a bit high on our internet horses here.

Poker is full of scum. Everywhere and every level.

this is true of course, but it is full of decent ol skins also.


*maybe I'm just in good spirits from looking at Stewelpeters post in the bbv thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UE3CNu_rtY&feature=related

pgodkin

Wow, alot of fitz's bashing in the thread..... funny though that the fitz's treats it worse customer's (poker player) very well.

ps the JP is a gold mine!

Ace2007

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Ektor anyone?

El Stuntman wrote: »

<shivers>

no wonder you quit teh pokerz

You can come back playin now - Ektor is bar for life in the SE due to the incident last night

BigCityBanker

Ace2007 wrote: »

You can come back playin now - Ektor is bar for life in the SE due to the incident last night

details required asap