SUPER TUESDAY! Budget discussion thread MERGED

darkman2

Get ready, as a nation, to collectively bend over and take it up the backside from those who created this mess.


Who will be sorest after 4:30PM tomorrow?


My own view is that the middle people will be hit again as usual - that includes me and the majority. There will be some form of income levy. A bad bank will be created and the old inflamable reliables (smokes, alcohol and petrol) will be hit. VAT may be reduced slightly. I expect social welfare to be cut in certain places and that a supprise is in store for our over worked and under paid, salt of the earth, public servants.

So any news on the grape vine as to what may happen? What do you think should happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nczih5WBLuI

Do you trust this man?

BTW could even just one of the tools that voted this shower of gangsters back in - come in and defend that decision (oh wait no one ever admits it!) - come on we won't bite;) (Not saying the alternatives are any better but anyway...)

I doubt myself nor many others would have such a problem paying more taxes if we weren't all completely convinced that it would, as usual, be completely mismanaged.

Bastards.

SoWatchaWant

Brian Cowen is a squirming sack of ****e. I wouldn't mind if he had some kind of charm while he was pissing Ireland up a tree, but just to look at him is depressing.

CreepingDeath

Sure how could we let someone from Offaly run the country.
It's not like Offaly is a shining example that the rest of the counties should follow.

biko

If they can show me that the politicians and "fat cats" (particularly B Ahern) really feel the pinch, then I'm willing to pay a bit more tax/take a pay cut. No way in hell I'm going to pay through my nose while they sit drinking subsidised pints in the Dáil during work hours.

TD salaries must drop below 60K and adjust their pensions to a normal level. They must also not be able to have more than one job. If you're a politician you should not be allowed to simultaneously sit on company boards or similar or receive any other income at all.

This is a bit more like it:

GERMANY — Deutsche Bank AG, Germany's biggest lender, said Tuesday that the pay for Chief Executive Josef Ackermann fell 90 percent in 2008 — from €14 million to €1.9 million — as he and the company's four other top managers refused bonuses in light of the bank's losses and public anger.

SWEDEN — Bonuses have caused outrage in Sweden, which prides itself on an egalitarian society, and big companies like truck maker Volvo and the SEB bank have been forced to withdraw compensation schemes for top executives.

SWITZERLAND: UBS AG, which received a $60 billion government bailout, said in November that its chief executive, chairman and executive board will receive no bonuses for 2008. Several former top officials have declined or handed back million-dollar payments. But the says it will pay 2.2 billion francs (about $2 billion) in bonuses to lower-ranked staff.***

Carroller16

I'm a public servant ...

*runs to find lube*

Saint_Mel

As usual the people in the middle will end up supporting the lower and upper class

i'm getting raped by fianna fail so much, i feel like i'm locked in a basement.

0ubliette

I hear astroglide is a much better lubricant than KY jelly. Should prob look into that.

Gavin "shels"

darkman2 wrote: »

Who will be sorest after 4:30PM tomorrow?

How tempting is that for a "UR MA" joke?:pac:




If drink doesn't go up and college fees aren't introduced until 2010 students, I'll be happy, if either of them happens, anarchy on the streets of Dublin.:cool:

bythewoods

Gavin shels wrote: »

If drink doesn't go up and college fees aren't introduced until 2010 students, I'll be happy, if either of them happens, anarchy on the streets of Dublin.:cool:

RE College Fees, it's such an easy target. Not targetting those who are already in college, just the poor LC-ers, many of whom can't vote yet...
Wouldn't exactly be easy to organise a protest of LC students like it is with 3rd level students either.

Lube at the ready.

Sean Quagmire

It would make things so much easier and if we knew where the money was going and how it is going to improve things but everyone knows ,even the government, that this money will be pissed away.

You can feel the panic in this budget, they have no confidence in what they are doing.

limericklady87

if fees are to be introduced in september, they will ahve to be announced in tomorrows budget? im assuming that is the situation? anyone care to correct me?

Raiser

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

It would make things so much easier and if we knew where the money was going and how it is going to improve things but everyone knows ,even the government, that this money will be pissed away.

You can feel the panic in this budget, they have no confidence in what they are doing.

For me this is exactly the point - Its getting increasingly obvious that if they somehow managed to quadruple the fcuking tax take it would still be squandered idiotically hand over fist on general mismanaged stupidity, corruption, passing it to their friends, relatives and favourite builder/banker or miscellaneous w@nker......

- Riots and civil unrest from tomorrow at 4.30pm? I say bring out the Guillotines; lets wash the streets!!!!

patmac

I dunno, I'm thinking of having a newsfree day(I try and have at least one of these a week and no news over the weekend), maybe just going to listen to some music. I mean what's the point in depressing yourself your gonna be fcuked anyway.

K4t

I would assasinate Brian Cowen tbh.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

You guys are all looking at the negative side of this - just think of all the good Cowen and Co. are going to do with this money.
Think of all the improvements in the health system, public transport, new jobs being created!

Snowie

K4t wrote: »

I would assasinate Brian Cowen tbh.

I throw my shoes at him then, Id watch him charge at me only to move out of the way a second before he got to me for him to hit a brick wall at high speed

Boskowski

Raiser wrote: »

Riots and civil unrest from tomorrow at 4.30pm?

You know and I know that no matter what they do tomorrow there will be now civil unrest. We're all just lazy complacent ****s and they know that too.
Unless of course the cut 2 Euro of the dole. </sarcasm> Or banish drink.

Anyway, what do you think it would actually take to get people out on the streets?

n0fX

darkman2 wrote: »

Get ready, as a nation, to collectively bend over and take it up the backside from those who created this mess.


Who will be sorest after 4:30PM tomorrow?


My own view is that the middle people will be hit again as usual - that includes me and the majority. There will be some form of income levy. A bad bank will be created and the old inflamable reliables (smokes, alcohol and petrol) will be hit. VAT may be reduced slightly. I expect social welfare to be cut in certain places and that a supprise is in store for our over worked and under paid, salt of the earth, public servants.

Smokes won't be hit, lenihan already admitted hiking VAT last October was a mistake (forcing people north), raising smokes would force even more people to head north for them.

Social welfare, I'd say the only benefit to get hit will be child benefit and early childcare allowance. If the others are cut it will probably only be 3% on the current rates.

SEPT 23 1989

if you are poor,sick,disabled or dying you will feel the wrath of the Fianna Fail machine tomorrow

n0fX

I think they should actually reduce the price of cigarettes, (I don't even smoke myself) , but 1/4 of all cigarettes come from the black market or north now so, reducing the price of them would probably result in more revenue for the government from them.

ejmaztec

As for the auld lube, they'll probabaly have 1000% vat on that by this time tomorrow. We're going to have to take the rough with the rough. :eek:

northern lights

patmac wrote: »

I dunno, I'm thinking of having a newsfree day(I try and have at least one of these a week and no news over the weekend), maybe just going to listen to some music. I mean what's the point in depressing yourself your gonna be fcuked anyway.

+1
My thoughts exactly!

Cork4ever

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

At the end of the day the country is in a state and like or not we have all contributed to it, sure the goverment have had a huge part to play in the problems but i think everyone will have to admit that we all had a part in it be it small or big.

The country did elect them 3 times on the trot and personally i don't think Fine Gael and Labour will get us out of this hole, they would spend 6 months trying to find where t he pens are if we put them into Goverment now, So what would or could a change in leadership achieve now, they are still stuck with the glabal resession, or would the Enda change all that.....!!!!!!!

Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment.

Zynks

darkman2 wrote: »

Do you trust this man?

I don't and never did. Not him nor anyone else who has been part of the gravy train over so many years.

darkman2 wrote: »

BTW could even just one of the tools that voted this shower of gangsters back in - come in and defend that decision (oh wait no one ever admits it!) - come on we won't bite;) (Not saying the alternatives are any better but anyway...)

That's the funny bit. NOBODY elected him to become Taoiseach. He inherited the job from the other scumbag.

I want to vote directly on who runs this country!!!!

This voting by "club affiliation" is f#@*ed!

ejmaztec

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

At the end of the day the country is in a state and like or not we have all contributed to it, sure the goverment have had a huge part to play in the problems but i think everyone will have to admit that we all had a part in it be it small or big.

The country did elect them 3 times on the trot and personally i don't think Fine Gael and Labour will get us out of this hole, they would spend 6 months trying to find where t he pens are if we put them into Goverment now, So what would or could a change in leadership achieve now, they are still stuck with the glabal resession, or would the Enda change all that.....!!!!!!!

Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment.

That's because FF stole all of the pens along with everything else.

K4t

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

At the end of the day the country is in a state and like or not we have all contributed to it, sure the goverment have had a huge part to play in the problems but i think everyone will have to admit that we all had a part in it be it small or big.

The country did elect them 3 times on the trot and personally i don't think Fine Gael and Labour will get us out of this hole, they would spend 6 months trying to find where t he pens are if we put them into Goverment now, So what would or could a change in leadership achieve now, they are still stuck with the glabal resession, or would the Enda change all that.....!!!!!!!

Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment.

Adding to my previous comment, I would assasinate all of your kind.

darkman2

Wonder what the threesome (Cowen, Coughlan, Lenihan) has in store for us...


BTW any chance we could cut down on the sexual innuendo in this thread? Bizarre. Brian's been through enough these last few weeks;) I feel sorry for FF somethimes in a comical sort of way.

Sean Quagmire

As much a I have no faith in our government I have even less in their rivals. Fine Gail offer nothing but smugness like 'we wouldnt have caused this' and give no insight as to what they would do to fix things.

Both are as bad as each other. It's a terrible boxed in feeling i have when i think of a better government, theres nowhere to turn as they are all tumbling, tumbling idiots.

Mr.Lizard

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

At the end of the day the country is in a state and like or not we have all contributed to it, sure the goverment have had a huge part to play in the problems but i think everyone will have to admit that we all had a part in it be it small or big.

The country did elect them 3 times on the trot and personally i don't think Fine Gael and Labour will get us out of this hole, they would spend 6 months trying to find where t he pens are if we put them into Goverment now, So what would or could a change in leadership achieve now, they are still stuck with the glabal resession, or would the Enda change all that.....!!!!!!!

Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment.

Well don't you just bleed green. Fair enough the opposition might spend 6 months trying to find the stationary closet but Fianna Fail have had more or less 80 years with their snouts in the trough and they don't seme to have achieved much more than that. It'd be a good day when Fianna Fail are elected for something other than being only marginally less useless than the other shower of useless tossers.

As for the Cowen assassination exclaimations, I agree. Death is too quick and dignified. I think instead he should be put in the stocks and left on O'Connell Street for people to throw rotten fruit at until the recession subsides.

ejmaztec

darkman2 wrote: »

Wonder what the threesome (Cowen, Coughlan, Lenihan) has in store for us.


Any chance we could cut down on the sexual innuendo in this thread? Brian's been through enough these last few weeks;) I feel sorry for FF somethings in a comical sort of way.

I said "pens" not "penis" in my previous post....:P

javaboy

K4t wrote: »

Adding to my previous comment, I would assasinate all of your kind.

Banned.

Professey Chin

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

So youre part of the problem then. Vote for daddys choice instead of for real reasons

Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment

We're safe to assassinate Cowen then since if I recall correctly, none of us voted Jabba the Hutt in as leader

PirateShampoo

Hypno Toad doesn't have a patch on Hypno Cowen.

Cork4ever is a testament to that.

ScumLord

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

At the end of the day the country is in a state and like or not we have all contributed to it, sure the goverment have had a huge part to play in the problems but i think everyone will have to admit that we all had a part in it be it small or big.

The country did elect them 3 times on the trot and personally i don't think Fine Gael and Labour will get us out of this hole, they would spend 6 months trying to find where t he pens are if we put them into Goverment now, So what would or could a change in leadership achieve now, they are still stuck with the glabal resession, or would the Enda change all that.....!!!!!!!

Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment.

This makes no sense. You voting FF because you did the last time and it's who your daddy votes for. I don't understand this madness, no wonder we have an inept government when we don't make any effort to vote for the best candidate.

That any of the other party's couldn't enter into government without spending 6 months trying to figure out what state we're actually in is not a plus for FF.

FF have failed, they deserve to be fired. If we keep them in power what kind of message are the people sending to these politicians? They'll just think we're even bigger saps.

Sanjuro

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

That's the idiotic kind of thinking that contributes to the absolute arrogance and complacency that runs through the entire government. At what point exactly would you drop the moronic Civil War state of mind that allows this shambolic government to run the country into the ground and decide that the current administration is out of ideas and needs to be replaced?

PirateShampoo

Lets not forget the Greens, they have proven why they should never of been let near a position of power in the first place.

SEPT 23 1989

can any members of gardai on here confirm that some of you have been in training for the last six weeks for dealing with serious public disorder and rioting,and that the army is officially on standby for tomorrow? just heard from a guard that this is the case:eek:

darkman2

ScumLord wrote: »

This makes no sense. You voting FF because you did the last time and it's who your daddy votes for. I don't understand this madness, no wonder we have an inept government when we don't make any effort to vote for the best candidate.

That any of the other party's couldn't enter into government without spending 6 months trying to figure out what state we're actually in is not a plus for FF.

FF have failed, they deserve to be fired. If we keep them in power what kind of message are the people sending to these politicians? They'll just think we're even bigger saps.

Oh but it's FAR worse then that - how many of these guys in the Dail are all related to each other or had TD family members!? Cowen, Coughlan, Lenihan, Haughey, FLYNN (that by word for "corruption"), Ahern, Bruton, Healy Rea............etc etc etc. Most are.....and to me the word "gangsters" just comes to mind automatically. Not all of them probrably. As a country we accept corruption, gombeenism, nepitism and ineptitude in the Dail.

This country needs a revolution - not a change in fundamental ideology - our system would work without these clowns. It's who's in charge that are the problem. It's that everyone knows you could not trust any of them to take out your rubbish.


When is the last time a minister in this country resigned? - think about it!

ScumLord

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

can any members of gardai on here confirm that some of you have been in training for the last six weeks for dealing with serious public disorder and rioting,and that the army is officially on standby for tomorrow? just heard from a guard that this is the case:eek:

If they are it's another waste of money, Irish people don't do revolts. It took 800 years of half arsed rebellion before the British eventually just gave up and let us off to our own devices.

chopperbyrne

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well I voted for them and I will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

Have you no opinion of your own?

Voting for a party just because other members of your family do or have done is idiotic.

n0fX

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

Thanks :rolleyes:

Cork4ever

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

grow a set and form your own opinions :rolleyes:

destroyer

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.


Finally i think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of another person not to mind anyone who wants to assinate a duly elected memeber of parliment.

I think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of the country with the above logic.

Dubh Geannain

destroyer wrote: »

I think the mods on this board should ban anyone who threatens the life of the country with the above logic.

I think the mods should ban anyone who tells the mods to ban someone.....

Wait a minute.....

Anyways, the fact that they are having another budget so close to the last one just goes to show how out of touch this government is. And dont's give me that 'hittin a moving target garbage', they find it quite easy to hit the middle and lower tax earners

thelordofcheese

I really like how everyone jumping on the "lets bitch about Cork4ever" bandwagon seems to have missed that the fact that the "rah rah rah, revolution" bandwagon is equally asinine, seeing as nobody seems to have any idea of who should run the country after this glorious revolution of the keyboard warriors.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Cork4ever wrote: »

Well i voted for them and i will vote Fianna Fail again as have my family done for generations.

I cannot believe you said that, most would keep that to themselves as they know that it is a pretty bad idea. Do some research and vote for someone you want in, not what mammy and daddy think is best... FFS!!!

Heisenberg.

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Fat_Fingers

Carroller16 wrote: »

I'm a public servant ...

*runs to find lube*

Lol, thanks man, i needed a laugh.

ejmaztec

thelordofcheese wrote: »

I really like how everyone jumping on the "lets bitch about Cork4ever" bandwagon seems to have missed that the fact that the "rah rah rah, revolution" bandwagon is equally asinine, seeing as nobody seems to have any idea of who should run the country after this glorious revolution of the keyboard warriors.

But everybody knows that anyone can do a better job, as long as they're not FF. Our half-dead mongrel mutt has just launced his manifesto and is expecting a landslide victory in the next election.