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Pro Wrestling nostalgia discussion!
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ShawnRaven wrote: »rossie,
Please accept my apologies, I was wrong.
I've been in a foul mood the last couple of days too, but that was bang out of order on my part. How i forgot about that reply (although I do remember reading that a while back), i've no idea. That's a f*ckup on my part.
no probsYet you justify the abortion of a PPV that was Mania 13 just because of a sub-par Bret/Austin match when they had a way better one only four months earlier? (and better ones after that!).
13 was bad ppv i was only kidding but austin/bret was an amazing match, not only wwe's finest moment for me but it also elevated austin from upper mid-card to superstar and bret from superstar to legend all in one night, the ending was oscar worthy
austin passing out from the pain instead of submitting with blood streaming down his face, brilliant brilliant stuffYou conveniently left out the good stuff on Mania V, being Arn & Tully vs Strike Force, as well as the unexpected heel turn of Martel, Rockers/Twin Towers as quite a fast moving match considering it featured two over 400lbers, Warrior/Rude and Rude's first major title win with the promotion and the awesome Hogan/Savage?
Two wasn't a complete trainwreck, but the 3 arenas was a dumb move, but you have to remember that wasn't shown on proper PPV, that was still on closed circuit I believe, so Vince had f*ck all to lose. Hogan/Bundy was a damn good match for 1986 with the ending it needed. Just because it aged horribly by todays standards does not make it a good match for it's time. Especially when it was all showbiz back then catered for the MTV generation. And again, you conveniently left out the awesome Bulldogs/Dream Team match. That's two great matches but you let 13 away with one?
last time i watched 2 was after a house party about 18 months ago, i did enjoy the 2 tag matches (the other being funks against santana/jyd) and the battle royale (much better than the gimmick battle royale at 17) but hogan and bundy was poor, hogan was putting on decent matches with andre 3 years earlier in japan
5 had way too much rubbish for me that it clouded over the good stuff, savage as always was brilliant of course but 7 bad matches on one card even for 1980s wwf is too many0 -
rossie1977 wrote: »13 was bad ppv i was only kidding but austin/bret was an amazing match, not only wwe's finest moment for me but it also elevated austin from upper mid-card to superstar and bret from superstar to legend all in one night, the ending was oscar worthy austin passing out from the pain instead of submitting with blood streaming down his face, brilliant brilliant stuff
Absolutely, and i won't disagree with you, I just don't think it was enough to save the PPV though. I seem to be in the minority when it comes to that opinion, but that's something i'm not particularly phased by as i'm well used to it.hogan was putting on decent matches with andre 3 years earlier in japan
I won't argue with you on that one. But we have a Hogan, a limited version of him manufactured by Vince McMahon, and we have Bundy, a guy with fairly limited mobility in a cage. For what that was, it genuinely wasn't a bad match. Bear in mind that 1986-1991 WWE was based around 10 minute main event matches. We didn't have the 20-30 minute classics we're accustomed to now.
[quote[5 had way too much rubbish for me that it clouded over the good stuff, savage as always was brilliant of course but 7 bad matches on one card even for 1980s wwf is too many[/QUOTE]
Exactly, which is why i lumped 13 and 25 into the same category!
But at least Mania 5 had a few good matches to stop it from being a complete abortion! Plus if all you've seen is the tagged classics versions, you're only seeing butchered versions of a lot of those matches too.0 -
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deanodrummer wrote: »Think I grew up at a good age to be a wrestling fan. Early 90's cartoon era during my childhood. Attitude era during my early teens and the quality that was 2000-2001 when I could appreciate all the aspects of the show.
I still maintain that mid to late 80s WWE had some of the better storylines and matches. ESPECIALLY the series The Rockers had with Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard! 0 -
ShawnRaven wrote: »I still maintain that mid to late 80s WWE had some of the better storylines and matches. ESPECIALLY the series The Rockers had with Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard!
Agreed there man. There was more of an intensity around that time period before it got too cartoony. I only really got into that era through videotapes though. Some excellent wrestling action can be found around then. Tag Team scene was amazing then, even better than 99-01 era imho. Harts, Demos, Busters, Nastys, LOD, Rockers, Strike Force, Bulldogs. Excellent.
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deanodrummer wrote: »Agreed there man. There was more of an intensity around that time period before it got too cartoony. I only really got into that era through videotapes though. Some excellent wrestling action can be found around then. Tag Team scene was amazing then, even better than 99-01 era imho. Harts, Demos, Busters, Nastys, LOD, Rockers, Strike Force, Bulldogs. Excellent.
Tag teams at this stage are pretty much a thing of the past. It's a shame because it brought something different to the table. Especially at the 87 and 88 Survivor Series where there were 10 tag teams participating. Even the novelty parts of a tag team, like both guys in similar trunks to indicate that they were part of a team. That rarely happens now, probably cos most guys didn't debut together, but were a thrown together team!
Aw, i'm all broken up now. 0 -
ShawnRaven wrote: »Tag teams at this stage are pretty much a thing of the past. It's a shame because it brought something different to the table. Especially at the 87 and 88 Survivor Series where there were 10 tag teams participating. Even the novelty parts of a tag team, like both guys in similar trunks to indicate that they were part of a team. That rarely happens now, probably cos most guys didn't debut together, but were a thrown together team!
Aw, i'm all broken up now.
Ha. I've just been watching Summerslam 88 there. 2 matches on the card were the Rougeaus(major underrated team) v The Bulldogs and Harts v Demos. Excellent.
Thrown together teams get on my nerves and rarely achieve anything. Exception: New Age Outlaws, Bulldog & Owen. I'm old school like you I like tag teams to have a unique look to indicate they're a team. Same trunks, theme music.
Bring back the tag teams!0 -
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ShawnRaven wrote: »Of course not, unless it's deserved of course.
Bret-Austin at Mania 13 wasn't THAT great either to be honest, save for the ending. Their match at Survivor Series 96 was waaaay better.
I wouldn't know how great the mania match it was, I never saw it! It does count as famed doesn't it.
I still miss sticker books, sigh.....
Anyone else have a famed match that you heard so much about, but didn't actually see?0 -
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i lkiked the idea of this thread so i signed up to share my two cents.
i remember the first wrestlemania i ever saw was 8, i loved warrior so it was class seeing him, papa shongo not so much.
mankinds viginettes always come to mind when thinking about older days, me an my friends had no clue who the guy with the rat was!
but i remember changing my alligence to wcw because my dad wouldnt let me watch wrestling in our house
so i went to my grans every friday night and she only had tnt so i watched nitro,followed by thunder!
first time indy match i ever seen was johnny storm v aj styles in the FWA and my whole perception of what wrestling is about changed!i miss the wrestling channel, not twc fight or fight network,but the wrestling channel.that really showed me a great side to wrestling,with the supershows,the shoot interviews and tna(when it was truly awesome, still is good though)0 -
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Splitting these to the Nostalgia discussin thread, has more of a home there.:)
I never caught a lot of Stampede other from occasional tape trades. I did however catch some matches from the awesome Bret Hart/Bad News Allen feud.
Gripping stuff. 0 -
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