Why would you vote Fianna Fail?

Ace2007

galwayrush wrote: »

Cut the number of TD's, Senators.
Cull the excess of non productive pen pushers.
Stop wasting money on e-voting, we're still paying massive storage costs for it.
Stop paying bonus to top earners in the HSE when clearly their management is not working.
Get rid of most of the Quangos, most of them were created by FF.
Close the loopholes that help very rich people avoid tax.
Appoint people who can manage projects properly, eg, Dublin Port Tunnel,who the hell was accountable for the massive over-run on the cost? I expect those idiots got a pay bonus as well.

Well lets give this a quick run down, due to Workers Unions in this country - Cutting the numbers of people will mean paying them huge sums of money - money which is not there at the moment so thats not really an option

e-voting may have been a disaster - but whats the solution - are you sayin to just dump them somewhere - think of the backlash then.

Why don't we just scrap the national pay packages which have this country on its knees - O wait didn't FG purpose this and it was shot down - of course it would be shot down - the greedy public don't want to lose money. It probably one of the few FG purposals that i would support.

I also love the way all the above doesn't really affect the general public, as each of the above sections have their own budgets which hardly affect the average joe.

brianthebard

bigkev49 wrote: »

I think that if Richard Bruton was leader of Fine Gael they would have more chance of being seen as a viable alternative.

Enda Kenny is a joke tbh.

Can't figure out the Enda hating-he's liked by his party, he's a nice guy,he took over from an actual joke (noonan) and helped the party win 20 extra seats in the last election from a position where everyone thought the party was about to die. But people can't see past their five second analysis to something more solid.
Its nearly always people from Dublin who want to bash Kenny in my experience.

DmanDmythDledge

I would vote Fianna Fail if I was an idiot.

Ace2007

brianthebard wrote: »

Can't figure out the Enda hating-he's liked by his party, he's a nice guy,he took over from an actual joke (noonan) and helped the party win 20 extra seats in the last election from a position where everyone thought the party was about to die. But people can't see past their five second analysis to something more solid.
Its nearly always people from Dublin who want to bash Kenny in my experience.

lol are you serious about "everyone thought the party was about to die" - cause i remember about a week before the election everyone said that FF wasn't going to get re-elected - now if that was the case who other than FG was going to get in.

Cop on people from dublin want to bash kenny - what planet are you people living on - do you agree with his "scrap the wage package agreement" - come on do you?

galwayrush

betafrog wrote: »

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The only ones with any real notion of whats going on are FF, if they could cull half the party and bring in fresh blood it would be a very strong party.

Bloody hell, look how long it took them to realise the economy was going down the drain? :eek:They were in total denial despite the warnings for at least 18 months.

brianthebard

Ace2007 wrote: »

lol are you serious about "everyone thought the party was about to die" - cause i remember about a week before the election everyone said that FF wasn't going to get re-elected - now if that was the case who other than FG was going to get in.

Cop on people from dublin want to bash kenny - what planet are you people living on - do you agree with his "scrap the wage package agreement" - come on do you?

I'm saying that after the failed election with noonan at the helm people thought the party would die. So yeah I am serious. Why should I have to agree with a plan from Kenny to realise the senseless bashing that's going on here? I'm not a FG supporter and even if I was I don't have to defend their policies.

Zaph

brianthebard wrote: »

Can't figure out the Enda hating-he's liked by his party, he's a nice guy,he took over from an actual joke (noonan) and helped the party win 20 extra seats in the last election from a position where everyone thought the party was about to die. But people can't see past their five second analysis to something more solid.
Its nearly always people from Dublin who want to bash Kenny in my experience.

Enda Kenny comes across as being completely devoid of personality or charisma. He's so dull that people switch off after five seconds rather than listen to him any longer, so even if he's full of great ideas nobody ever gets to hear them. Richard Bruton, on the other hand, is articulate and has a personality, so people give him more of a chance. Kenny's dullness is genuinely harming his party's chance of winning the next election.


As for why I'd vote FF, for the brown envelopes, of course. Unfortunately they've gotten a bit smaller of late. Damn recession!

KingSitric

With the current shower of cowboys running (ruining) Fianna Fail how could anyone in their right mind vote for them? They have sullied the names of the great politicians of the past who fought for Irish freedom. And as the party is steeped in corruption how can we trust them with our country, especially during this crisis?

brianthebard

Zaph wrote: »

Enda Kenny comes across as being completely devoid of personality or charisma. He's so dull that people switch off after five seconds rather than listen to him any longer, so even if he's full of great ideas nobody ever gets to hear them. Richard Bruton, on the other hand, is articulate and has a personality, so people give him more of a chance. Kenny's dullness is genuinely harming his party's chance of winning the next election.

This just doesn't tally with the twenty seats they won in the last election! Show me where voters said they didn't pick FG cause he is boring and you might have an argument.
I think Bruton is interesting too, but I haven't heard of any dissent in the party, or plans for a coup to install him as leader-everyone is happy with their roles at the minute and they should be. I've seen Kenny speak and while he's no great orator, he's no slouch either. Again people are just seeing what they want to see, he's well capable of ripping into the government when he feels like it.

Ace2007

galwayrush wrote: »

Bloody hell, look how long it took them to realise the economy was going down the drain? :eek:They were in total denial despite the warnings for at least 18 months.

If it was sooo obvious that the economy was going down the drain for the last 18 months - why are soooooo many people complaining, there was a guy on tv there about 2 weeks ago - which really sums it all up.

He lost his job and was being interviewed, he stated "i've been working for this company for over 10 years,i've got a wife and kids, my main aim is to get on the dole quickly to put food on the table for them" like wtf planet was he living on - 10 years working with a company - anyone who saves money would be able to support themselves for period of time - ever hear of the saying, put money aside for a rainy day.

Well guess what its just drizzling atm, 6/7 months down the line its going to be bucketing down and guess what all you guys are going to be on there again complaining about it being the governemnets fault.

Zaph

brianthebard wrote: »

This just doesn't tally with the twenty seats they won in the last election!

Most of those seats were picked up at the expense of the PDs and independents, not FF, so that suggests that people had less of an issue with FF than was thought at the last election. If there was an election now however, FF would struggle badly and probably lose seats to FG.

Nolanger

People get what they voted for.
Most TDs are former teachers, accountants, social workers - not exactly the most progressive thinking and smartest of people.
No wonder this country ends up in a mess.

Ace2007

Nolanger wrote: »

People get what they voted for.
Most TDs are former teachers, accountants, social workers - not exactly the most progressive thinking and smartest of people.
No wonder this country ends up in a mess.

and what type of people should be running the country...
accountants - not smart - hmm i'd love to hear what you job is

galwayrush

Nolanger wrote: »

People get what they voted for.
Most TDs are former teachers, accountants, social workers - not exactly the most progressive thinking and smartest of people.
No wonder this country ends up in a mess.

Our Education Minister is a Pig Farmer, who once tried to have the movie Babe banned because he thought it might affect the pork industry here.:D

Phototoxin

historically its nearly always been FF since the beginning. People have these misconceptions 'oh the fine gale are blueshirt nazis' 'oh 40 years ago labor did this wrong' etc. Thing is if there was a decent 2 non fianna fail part coalition it might actually work.

Wont be voting ff or the green party next year (sell outs!). Wont be voting any party. Just for the right PERSON. If there were no parties in government it might actually work better.

ejmaztec

Political positions should be filled in the same way that football teams are put together. Professional politicians should be valued on performance and their services retained by those countries willing to pay the going rate. Unfortunately, poorer countries will end up with complete **** running their systems. Oh......................wait a minute................scrap that, I'll think of something else. :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Zaph wrote: »

Enda Kenny comes across as being completely devoid of personality or charisma.......

I don't give a flying f-you-know-what HOW devoid of personality he is, if he can do a better job than the extrovert entertaining clowns we have now, I'd vote for him,

As for the 'brown envolopes' - this makes sense. The only way ANYONE could logically vote FF right now is if they were on the take.

Ace2007

What exactly are you unhappy about?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ace2007 wrote: »

What exactly are you unhappy about?

Who, me? Gob****es who moan about FF and then votre them in again. I'd have thought it was obvious...?

irish_bob

galwayrush wrote: »

Our Education Minister is a Pig Farmer, who once tried to have the movie Babe banned because he thought it might affect the pork industry here.:D

batt o keefe is the one goverment minister who is doing a half decent job at the moment

as for why people vote FF , FF voters are by nature an incurious and obediant bunch , seriously though , most people in ireland voted based on who thier family tree votes for , which is why breaking the country has never done FF much harm in the past and will probably not kill them in the future

xniamhx

I'm delighted FG aren’t in government to be blamed for the mess that has been created courtesy of the grade A **** in FF.. And im also pretty happy that were in a recession because it’s exactly what most of the idiots in Ireland deserve. This country has no STANDARDS! Politicians can do whatever the hell they want and the masses will be thinking ''isn’t bertie lovely''. There is no accountability because everything is 'grand'.

As for the Enda bashing[im from Dublin btw], pure ignorance..how can you call Enda Kenny a joke w/o taking a serious look at the ministers in our current government.

Brian Lenihan....Mary Harney....Michael Martin...Mary Hanifin...Willie O Dea... to name but a few of the planks.

But of course all the working classes, ff grass roots, builders/developers & nouveau riche idiots will always vote ff,
and so the real middle class in Ireland will always lose out.

Ace2007

lads not one person has yet told me what the government has done that so wrong...
like come on the government introduced the SSIA schemem a few years ago to get people saving - everyone has now gotten there money back + the extra, and so what did people do with this money????? i find it a joke to believe that people are putting everthing on the government.

Here's the reality... the money is not there - the governement have to make cuts - so what section do they make cuts which will prevent an uproar - answer there is no section.

Enda Kenny suggested that the government should get rid of the national pay package - how many people here support that idea??? This is the oppositions idea not the governments.

Michael Martin was subject to abuse when he brought in the no-smoking in pubs back a few years ago - everyone said it won't work - this is a joke etc. now nearly everyone even the smokers agree that was a great move.

Mary Harney was a PD.

I'm also curious to what you mean the "real middle class" lol

Zaph

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I don't give a flying f-you-know-what HOW devoid of personality he is, if he can do a better job than the extrovert entertaining clowns we have now, I'd vote for him,

I don't disagree with you, but my point was that a lot of people don't take that view and consequently Kenny is dismissed by many before they actually listen to what he has to say.

Zaph

Ace2007 wrote: »

lads not one person has yet told me what the government has done that so wrong...
like come on the government introduced the SSIA schemem a few years ago to get people saving - everyone has now gotten there money back + the extra, and so what did people do with this money?????

They used it to go on a massive spending spree and add further fuel to an already overheating economy at the expense of those who couldn't afford to put money into an SSIA to avail of the government's largesse. Just think of what the government could have done with all that extra cash instead of buying votes with it. Must have been worth a couple of extra hospitals and a shed load of schools at the very least.

KnifeWRENCH

xniamhx wrote: »

As for the Enda bashing[im from Dublin btw], pure ignorance..how can you call Enda Kenny a joke w/o taking a serious look at the ministers in our current government.

Brian Lenihan....Mary Harney....Michael Martin...Mary Hanifin...Willie O Dea... to name but a few of the planks.

Did you just pick those names randomly from your head?
Harney hasn't been in FF since 1985!

O'Dea won his seat in the 2007 election with one of the largest votes in the country - his constituents clearly don't think he's a plank.

Hanafin and Martin are two of the best TD's this country has - I was disappointed Cowen gave Hanafin such a low position in the last cabinet.

Admittedly FF has a few duds (Mary Coughlan, Martin Cullen) but not the names you mentioned.

galwayrush

Ace2007 wrote: »

lads not one person has yet told me what the government has done that so wrong...
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Squandered approx 16 Billion euros since they came into power..:rolleyes:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Ace2007 wrote: »

lads not one person has yet told me what the government has done that so wrong...
like come on the government introduced the SSIA schemem a few years ago to get people saving - everyone has now gotten there money back + the extra, and so what did people do with this money????? i find it a joke to believe that people are putting everthing on the government.

Here's the reality... the money is not there - the governement have to make cuts - so what section do they make cuts which will prevent an uproar - answer there is no section.

Enda Kenny suggested that the government should get rid of the national pay package - how many people here support that idea??? This is the oppositions idea not the governments.

Michael Martin was subject to abuse when he brought in the no-smoking in pubs back a few years ago - everyone said it won't work - this is a joke etc. now nearly everyone even the smokers agree that was a great move.

Mary Harney was a PD.

I'm also curious to what you mean the "real middle class" lol

So, which minister used to money to upgrade the schools and education system and deliver the oft promised upgrades to country schools?

Which minister used the money to upgrade Dublin's (and Ireland's) achaic public transport system?

And, on the flip side:

Which ministers decided that the money would be much better going to private building industries which had no interest in long-term planning?

Which ministers thought the boom would go on forever and completely ignored the slow-down signs that were there for years?

Wertz

Ace2007 wrote: »

like wtf planet was he living on - 10 years working with a company - anyone who saves money would be able to support themselves for period of time - ever hear of the saying, put money aside for a rainy day.

Funny that. You could say almost the exact same thing about FF's management of the country's finances in the last whatever number of years. Spend spend spend, most of it inwardly on hiring more admin staff to "run" the country...splurging the huge revenues being brought in by stanp duty as if the stream of money would never be turned off and then when it is, seeking to raise taxes to retain that same level of spending.
Only a moron would vote for FF after that and the country is and always has been full of them so I don't expect it to change anytime soon....

galwayrush

Fianna Fail members bar one or two voted to cancel the cervical cancer vaccination sceme, clearly WRONG.:mad:

ninty9er

Weathercheck wrote: »

Why do you support this corrupt, failure of a party?

Do you plan to back that up using a general reference to a handful of well know politicians or have you actually got anything substantive to prove that Fianna Fáil, an organisation of almost 80,000 members is corrupt?