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Why would you vote Fianna Fail?

  • 23-11-2008 04:41AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭


    Right, seen as the latest poll shows that Fianna Fail have 30% of the electorate, there must be a fair few supporters on here.

    Why do you support this corrupt, failure of a party?

    Is it because your parents supported it and you feel you must?

    Is it because you support the politics which have led us to where we are today?

    Why is it?

    My problem is that it is so sad that a party that has failed a country so much can still garner so much support, that at this stage in political life ONE party could actually turn to anything and still get support.

    I'm worried and if your an Irish citizen so should you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    My problem is that it is so sad that a party that has failed a country so much can still garner so much support, that at this stage in political life ONE party could actually turn to anything and still get support.
    Because it's the only party that seems to have a plan. One that is failing, but a plan netherless. FG moans about FF all the time, how bad it is, how bad some plan failed after it has failed. How they would have done it right. They don't seem to have a plan, though, other than saying that they'll do a better job than FF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭newballsplease


    move to politics i reckon....after hours is for a bit of a laugh...not this SH1T


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭MadPatrick


    That always confused me too. Charles Haughy(sp) bought an island and bought his son a helicopter while Ireland was in a crippling economic crisis in the 80s and that party stills holds power to this day.

    Could someone please explain?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 Aerb


    I want to take an active part in the destructive quickening of this country as much as possible!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    the_syco wrote: »
    Because it's the only party that seems to have a plan. One that is failing, but a plan netherless. FG moans about FF all the time, how bad it is, how bad some plan failed after it has failed. How they would have done it right. They don't seem to have a plan, though, other than saying that they'll do a better job than FF.

    Spot on. If there was an election in the morning, FF would get in again.

    Think that Ireland is crying out a party led by someone with real charisma. Rather that the usual suspects all trying to slag off each other.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Given the chance, I'd definitely vote for Fail!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭KnifeWRENCH


    MadPatrick wrote: »
    That always confused me too. Charles Haughy(sp) bought an island and bought his son a helicopter while Ireland was in a crippling economic crisis in the 80s and that party stills holds power to this day.

    Could someone please explain?

    Um, because Charlie Haughey is no longer involved in FF? Or, indeed, in politics in general (y'know, him being dead and all)
    I don't think Cowen should have to pay for Haughey's actions.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Better that that Indakinny being Taoiseach


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    MadPatrick wrote: »
    That always confused me too. Charles Haughy(sp) bought an island and bought his son a helicopter while Ireland was in a crippling economic crisis in the 80s and that party stills holds power to this day.

    Could someone please explain?

    At least he had the respect for the people of the country not to try and hide everything.

    TBH the whole buying the island thing is one of the only things I can say I liked about Haughey, he was obviously up for a laugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭Raphael


    I voted Fianna Fáil based on the candidate, rather than the party. It just happened that the candiate I felt would actually represent me was Fianna Fáil.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 182 ✭✭jane86


    I wouldn't vote for them, pile of cowboys! :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,762 ✭✭✭ec18


    no decent alternative?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,106 ✭✭✭✭TestTransmission


    ec18 wrote: »
    no decent alternative?

    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Because Bertie was lovely


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    I'd be more worried that you even expected a semi-informed, half literate response in AH :D


    Throw in a poll to amuses the monkeys, some hookers (gigolo's if available) and some coke and we could start a revolution!

    Or we could just resurect Charlie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    ec18 wrote: »
    no decent alternative?

    +2


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    themadchef wrote: »
    Throw in a poll to amuses the monkeys, some hookers (gigolo's if available) and some coke and we could start a revolution!

    Are you looking for a sexy time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Is this now the AH/FF forum? What happened to Polotics.

    This is like the opening line of all the socer threads that pop up here "I'm not allowed post in soccer so............" or "I feel this'll get a better/more damning response here................."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,172 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Politicians are only figure heads. The departments are always there and the ideas and the work are done by the respective departments so its matters little who is running them because they will listen to the aids/professionals in those respective departments.

    FG have given me little to believe they would do a better job, however, they are feeding on my hatred for the FF party and the Greens.

    I would vote for a party with a carismatic leader. We need an Obama, Clinton, Kennedy carachter to make us all feed good about ourselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Stekelly wrote: »
    This is like the opening line of all the socer threads that pop up here "I'm not allowed post in soccer so............"

    They've realy died off, haven't seen one in ages and there used to be loads.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Um, because Charlie Haughey is no longer involved in FF? Or, indeed, in politics in general (y'know, him being dead and all)
    I don't think Cowen should have to pay for Haughey's actions.
    we don't know yet if cowen is as corrupt as all the FF leaders since Haughey

    BUT you can tell a lot about some one by the company they keep


    What I don't understand is the voters. FF will offer them anything to keep in power but the party faithful are ok with corruption, brown envelopes, subsidising the very rich at the expense of the poor, ignoring public transport for the masses and generally proving that "a rising tide lifts all boats" need not apply to the celtic tiger,

    over the lat generation we've seen the worst economic policies since Maggie squandered £650 Bn of north sea oil revenue in attempt to increase the value of her hubbies investments


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Because all the people in this thread seem to think that politics is about personality and people, rather than policies and ideology.
    /emigrates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Right, seen as the latest poll shows that Fianna Fail have 30% of the electorate, there must be a fair few supporters on here.

    Why do you support this corrupt, failure of a party?

    Is it because your parents supported it and you feel you must?

    Is it because you support the politics which have led us to where we are today?

    Why is it?

    My problem is that it is so sad that a party that has failed a country so much can still garner so much support, that at this stage in political life ONE party could actually turn to anything and still get support.

    I'm worried and if your an Irish citizen so should you.
    You could always try to get elected yourself and sort things out from the inside.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    People saying that FG haven't shown that they'd be any better:

    Logic would suggest they couldn't do it any worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Most fianna fail voters i know do so because mammy and daddy told them to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Ah yes another thread which seeems to think its Fianna Fails's fault that everything is going wrong financial... you gotta love you people. the reason for the state of the economy in ireland is the people's greed and nothing else.

    People is this counrty thought that money grew on trees and the spending it would make no difference, now that we are in a recession, people have no savings, are up to their necks in debt and are trying to blame someone so they choose the government.

    What would any other government do different. The government need to raise money/cut spending - no matter what section they choose, there is going to be uproar - so come on you anti Fianna Fail supporters - tell me what areas that spending cuts should be made in? and i'll bet you anything whatever the first person says - someone will disagree with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭KhanTheMan


    Why would you vote Fianna Fail?

    hmmm.

    Good question. I guess if you felt you need to pay more tax, you might vote for them :)

    Time for the opposition here to **** or get off the pot. Get organized and listen to the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    What would any other government do different. The government need to raise money/cut spending - no matter what section they choose, there is going to be uproar - so come on you anti Fianna Fail supporters - tell me what areas that spending cuts should be made in? and i'll bet you anything whatever the first person says - someone will disagree with.

    Cut the number of TD's, Senators.
    Cull the excess of non productive pen pushers.
    Stop wasting money on e-voting, we're still paying massive storage costs for it.
    Stop paying bonus to top earners in the HSE when clearly their management is not working.
    Get rid of most of the Quangos, most of them were created by FF.
    Close the loopholes that help very rich people avoid tax.
    Appoint people who can manage projects properly, eg, Dublin Port Tunnel,who the hell was accountable for the massive over-run on the cost? I expect those idiots got a pay bonus as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,263 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    People seem to vote for these people because it's traditional, like the ones heading off to church on a Sunday. They also assume, for some odd reason, that the descendant some guy with a gun in 1922 must be a great politician because his ancestor was in the right place at the right time.

    I remember some local electioneering wannabe knocking on my door, then telling me to vote for him because his father was a councillor.

    "So fucking what!" was my reply.

    Would our current Finance Minister have been elected, were he not a member of some political dynasty? (he's supposedly the 2nd worst finance minister in Europe, only being ahead of the Portuguese guy.)

    How many more of these dynasties are there, and are any of the present contenders any good? I'm not just referring to FF, the same situation exists within the other parties.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭Rowley Birkin QC


    I think that if Richard Bruton was leader of Fine Gael they would have more chance of being seen as a viable alternative.

    Enda Kenny is a joke tbh.


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