Why would you vote Fianna Fail?

Capt'n Midnight

lmtduffy wrote: »

• Schools are getting worse, have not gotten better, has any one seen a school with out a prefab for a while? And the schools are ran by the church by and large.

the reason schools are run by the church is due to the way the state spends money setting up schools.
The government don't spend a cent on setting up primary /secondary level schools.
YOU have to setup a school and THEN the government MIGHT give you some money. Religious in the past had the resources to set up schools.

• Things are bad FF made them bad had the greatest opportunity to set this country up for many years to come, failed miserably and are now undoing any good work ever done in this country in their attempts to save money.

qft

Capt'n Midnight

Terry wrote: »

FF: right wing.
FG: right wing.
National socialist party: Right wing.
Maggie thatcher: right wing.
Franco: right wing.
Mussolini: right wing.
Both George bush's: right wing.

I've voted Labour all my voting life.

point of information
Irish parties are not right wing.
they are center-right
also PD's , most of the independents
and I'd include Labour in that centre-right definition for some major policies at some times in the past

Try explaining the differences between the irish parties to a foreigner
gun control, neutrality, EU , third world aid , mass privatisation , foreign policy , immigration , defence spending , arming the police, unemployment benefits / unmarried mothers / housing / health spending / tax policy

it's all similar to a few %

Terry

brianthebard wrote: »

FYP

I was quite drunk when I posted that and it took me about ten minutes to take out all the extra letters.
I'll thank you not to do it again.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

point of information
Irish parties are not right wing.
they are center-right
also PD's , most of the independents
and I'd include Labour in that centre-right definition for some major policies at some times in the past

Try explaining the differences between the irish parties to a foreigner
gun control, neutrality, EU , third world aid , mass privatisation , foreign policy , immigration , defence spending , arming the police, unemployment benefits / unmarried mothers / housing / health spending / tax policy

it's all similar to a few %

I'm not saying that Labour are perfect.
It wouldn't surprise me if they had a few corrupt people in their ranks in the same vein as the other parties.
I vote Labour because I have seen them get results at a local level.
I was never brought up to vote for any one party. In fact, the first time I voted I asked my father who I should vote for. He told me to pick who I believed was the best person for the job. It was some of the best advice I ever got and is something I believe everyone should consider before casting their vote.

brianthebard

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

the reason schools are run by the church is due to the way the state spends money setting up schools.
The government don't spend a cent on setting up primary /secondary level schools.
YOU have to setup a school and THEN the government MIGHT give you some money. Religious in the past had the resources to set up schools.

Nationalise the schools.

kwestfan08

Two Words

Enda Kenny

mikemac

lmtduffy wrote: »

The labour party introduced free third level education, they tried to introduce free medical health care for mothers and children once upon a time too but that was shot down by FF and the church.

Labour is not corrupt and labour is the only socially progressive party on the island.
/

Mother and child scheme?
Minister Noel Browne was a member of Clann na Poblachta. He joined Labour later but he certainly wasn't in Labour at the time

Actually he joined FF before he joined Labour, still want to claim him?

doonothing

Because it's the lesser of two evils. Sure the opposition MIGHT do a better job, but it really doesn't seem like they will, and what else do we have to go on beside how it SEEMS like the parties will perform? FF have been muck as of late, but I reeeeeally cannot see FG doing a better job, and I'm gonna stick to that until I am swayed otherwise. Neither party have done enough to do so yet.

billy the squid

Ah sure they opposed that damn treaty, and they gave me great granda the bus pass like.

kaiser soza

Because Its fun to obey the machine.

phantom_lord

no viable alternatives

If they gave me a few thousand I might be persuaded to vote for them :P

irish_bob

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

point of information
Irish parties are not right wing.
they are center-right
also PD's , most of the independents
and I'd include Labour in that centre-right definition for some major policies at some times in the past

Try explaining the differences between the irish parties to a foreigner
gun control, neutrality, EU , third world aid , mass privatisation , foreign policy , immigration , defence spending , arming the police, unemployment benefits / unmarried mothers / housing / health spending / tax policy

it's all similar to a few %

the only right wing political party on the island of ireland are the DUP and even they are to the left of jim allister who i think may have some kind of a party now

brianthebard

doonothing wrote: »

Because it's the lesser of two evils. Sure the opposition MIGHT do a better job, but it really doesn't seem like they will, and what else do we have to go on beside how it SEEMS like the parties will perform? FF have been muck as of late, but I reeeeeally cannot see FG doing a better job, and I'm gonna stick to that until I am swayed otherwise. Neither party have done enough to do so yet.

Well why don't you go on past record? Because FG and labour win on those criteria and that's obviously something you don't want to acknowledge.

Lockstep

One way to start saving money might be not paying teachers in private schools.
If you want to get private education and can afford it, knock yourself out but the state paying as well seems a bit off to me.

micmclo wrote: »

Mother and child scheme?
Minister Noel Browne was a member of Clann na Poblachta. He joined Labour later but he certainly wasn't in Labour at the time

Actually he joined FF before he joined Labour, still want to claim him?

Sure I'd be happy to claim him.
He had some good policies.

doonothing

brianthebard wrote: »

Well why don't you go on past record? Because FG and labour win on those criteria and that's obviously something you don't want to acknowledge.

It took 30 seconds to find this:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/kennys-comment-on-attack-misleading-85842.html

I would simply feel less comfortable with him running my country.

No need to be so condescending

Lockstep

He got a question wrong about a mugging saying it happened in Dublin.
This could damage tourism?
What?

I travel a fair bit around Europe and hearing the odd one off cases of muggings never did anything to dissuade me.

brianthebard

doonothing wrote: »

It took 30 seconds to find this:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/kennys-comment-on-attack-misleading-85842.html

I would simply feel less comfortable with him running my country.

No need to be so condescending

That has precisely what to do with his ability to run a government? The indo wrote a crappy article, oh teh horrors! :rolleyes: You've no idea how he would run the country, but FG and Labour in coalition have a proven record of sound financial management, good social policies, and a modicum of progressive vision. Not something you will find in the FF cabinet these days, or for the last decade.

doonothing

kickoutthejams wrote: »

He got a question wrong about a mugging saying it happened in Dublin.
This could damage tourism?
What?

I travel a fair bit around Europe and hearing the odd one off cases of muggings never did anything to dissuade me.

I didn't post that for its relevance for the tourism industry, look at the title of the article, no? Rambles on about a mugging he experienced in relation to Irish crime when it was not even in the country?

brianthebard wrote: »

That has precisely what to do with his ability to run a government? The indo wrote a crappy article, oh teh horrors! :rolleyes: You've no idea how he would run the country, but FG and Labour in coalition have a proven record of sound financial management, good social policies, and a modicum of progressive vision. Not something you will find in the FF cabinet these days, or for the last decade.

Christ, are you taking this personally? I'm just saying I'm not yet convinced that a change in government is needed, if things keep going the way they're going I might be, but as of yet, I still consider FF the lesser of two evils... Jeez, relax buddy!

Lockstep

doonothing wrote: »

I didn't post that for its relevance for the tourism industry, look at the title of the article, no? Rambles on about a mugging he experienced in relation to Irish crime when it was not even in the country?

Given that the word misleading is in quotation marks, sounds like someone else is using the term.
He got an isolated incident wrong...I still don't see it as that much of a problem.
Mountain, molehill etc.

doonothing

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Given that the word misleading is in quotation marks, sounds like someone else is using the term.
He got an isolated incident wrong...I still don't see it as that much of a problem.
Mountain, molehill etc.

Someone else is using that term, sure, but someone is, and they didn't get it from nowhere! And hearing more about the situation didn't convince me they were wrong to use that term either!

I know it's only a tiny little thing but it isn't very encouraging you know? That's all I'm saying, behaviour like this doesn't help convince me that a drastic change is needed, yet...

brianthebard

doonothing wrote: »

I know it's only a tiny little thing but it isn't very encouraging you know? That's all I'm saying, behaviour like this doesn't help convince me that a drastic change is needed, yet...

You're right, lets post articles that have little or nothing to do with the political situation or judge how a government might be run....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1104/osullivanc.html

Clearly FF is a bunch of drunk drivers. Still confident in them?

Lockstep

doonothing wrote: »

Someone else is using that term, sure, but someone is, and they didn't get it from nowhere! And hearing more about the situation didn't convince me they were wrong to use that term either!

I know it's only a tiny little thing but it isn't very encouraging you know? That's all I'm saying, behaviour like this doesn't help convince me that a drastic change is needed, yet...

Not encouraging? Sure, but given the balls up this country is in right now I'd certainly give him the benefit of the doubt over a single incident involving a mugging.

betafrog wrote: »

Doe's that not remind anyone of a certain Bertie Ahern who was pretty much forced to resign because he got the details of an isolated incident wrong and was being dragged into a ridiculous hearing because of it...

You all call for the head of one person when they do it but as soon as its somebody else its not a problem and they'd be the best person to run the country. If he's willing to lie about something so simple for the sake of a quick dig at the government you can be damn sure he's gonna lie about a lot worse.

Ok... Kenny got the country wrong regarding a mugging case.
Ahern, loads of shady questions (c'mon...a minister for finance with no bank account?)

I'd personally say Kenny was mistaken over the knife incident. Why bother lieing about such a minor thing when
a) It doesn't achieve much anyway so if he needed something badly he could find a better example
b) If caught, it would lead to some persons questioning his credibility.

ShooterSF

It's pretty simple to be honest. Both major parties are pathetic and the smaller ones are no better (emphasis on the greens). After all this is politics and only two faced slimeballs ever get far enough in the politics game to succeed.

However, by letting a party do a **** job of running the country and still voting them back in cause the opposition would probably do as bad is plain stupid. Give them the kick in the ass they need to see they have to do a decent job to keep in power. Ok there's a good chance a FG coalition would do just as bad in the following 5 years but thats when, if they do, you kick them back out and so on so that party's learn they either do a decent job with the country or theyre out on their arse.

doonothing

brianthebard wrote: »

You're right, lets post articles that have little or nothing to do with the political situation or judge how a government might be run....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1104/osullivanc.html

Clearly FF is a bunch of drunk drivers. Still confident in them?

When did I even say I was confident in them? "Lesser of two evils" is hardly a glowing report! Man, you're actually so condescending over this... Why are you getting so worked up?

Lockstep

doonothing wrote: »

Why are you getting so worked up?

Common Internet arguments:
No 1: You are getting angry/too worked up/you need to relax

And so on.

doonothing

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Not encouraging? Sure, but given the balls up this country is in right now I'd certainly give him the benefit of the doubt over a single incident involving a mugging.


Ok... Kenny got the country wrong regarding a mugging case.
Ahern, loads of shady questions (c'mon...a minister for finance with no bank account?)

Look, I never said that was the only thing I'm basing my opinion on, like, I already said I found it in 30 seconds, and that it was a tiny little thing, it was just an example!

doonothing

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Common Internet arguments:
No 1: You are getting angry/too worked up/you need to relax

And so on.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of that... Is there anything else I'm not allowed say?

ejmaztec

If I hated Ireland so much that I wanted to see it completely and utterly destroyed, I would vote for Fianna Fail.

If FG got elected, I would expect our local TD to get off his lazy ass and do something for a change, not just nip off the US to "persuade some Americans to invest in the area":rolleyes:, then come back a couple of weeks later with only a bag of duty-free and a sun-tan.

Lockstep

doonothing wrote: »

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of that... Is there anything else I'm not allowed say?

Not really, I just find it an incredibly patronising and overused argument.

doonothing wrote: »

Look, I never said that was the only thing I'm basing my opinion on, like, I already said I found it in 30 seconds, and that it was a tiny little thing, it was just an example!

If he was so terrible, surely there'd be better examples than an admittedly minor mistake.

doonothing

I didn't even mean it as an argument though, I really was just curious as to why he was getting so upset and borderline rude over it..

I said it was a 30 second search, not a thorough investigation and ranking of all his mistakes! And I never said he was "so terrible", just the lesser etc., etc...