Waterford University discussion

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Talk about being overqualified!

a bullsh1tters bullsh1tter!

invara

vriesmays wrote: »

A good university offers courses like medicine and theology.

WIT does Theology .... so it is half a good university.
https://www.wit.ie/schools/humanities/religious-studies-major

vriesmays

Wanderer78 wrote: »

an even better one provides a broad range of courses for all of societies needs

That's not a university. A third-level college provides for all of societies needs. A good university caters for the brighter students.

Wanderer78

vriesmays wrote:

That's not a university. A third-level college provides for all of societies needs. A good university caters for the brighter students.

Jaysis, so we should create a university for a small percentage of folks, and invest enormous amounts of taxpayers money into it!

vriesmays

Exactly, whoever the next Freud will be he won't have done a Psychology degree in WIT.

Wanderer78

vriesmays wrote: »

Exactly, whoever the next Freud will be he won't have done a Psychology degree in WIT.

you d never know, some great things have already come out of wit over the decades

imacman

SeanieW1977 wrote: »

https://www.tuse.ie/job-opportunity-tusei-brand-manager/

Why is this position being created? A 95 grand a year PR role - basically equivalent of a Govt TD being put in to manage the communication around this!

No doubt to keep the discontent of staff from the public.

This is disgusting and worse still things must be moving very fast

Exactly this is a role some an external PR/marketing guru. And the message they will be selling is the usual game changer for the south east and everyone from both institutes are happy and working together. Which is far from the truth from what I have heard from WIT staff. Also dont WIT and Carlow already have marketing depts , do they not trust them to do the job.
I also find it interesting that the application is controlled by ITCarlow HR. I talked to a friend whos son works in WIT last week and he is very concerned about the future .
From what he said Carlow are making all the running and the WIT management are too weak and been bullied into lots of decisions that favour Carlow and Carlow staff. He also said Willie Donnally has checked out as he is retiring in the Autumn and doesn't seem to be fighting for WIT anymore.
He said there are a number of really strong difficult characters in ITCarlows management who are running rings around their WIT equilvents and he feeling that its inevitable the the HQ is going to end up in Carlow and Patricia Mulcahy will end up president of the new TU.

friendlyfun

vriesmays wrote: »

Exactly, whoever the next Freud will be he won't have done a Psychology degree in WIT.

I'm sure you are very intelligent yourself. You're so intelligent you must have no work to do and spend all your time online running down the city. You're such a sad loser if I have to be be honest, I don't know what your problem is with Waterford. Did you get dumped by a Waterford girl? Did you get the sack out of here?. You're pathological antipathy to the city is worrying.

Harry Palmr

Have a look at this. Not read it fully yet but its essentially a manifesto for a proper fully funded university based in Waterford.

https://t.co/F4ubKvgYqp?amp=1

Only just set up so if this is a campaign, and it is then fuse.ie has everything before it.

imacman

I see there the council has a plan for the crystal site they are announcing soon
https://www.wlrfm.com/2021/01/20/plan-for-former-waterford-crystal-site-expected-in-the-spring/

Logically you would say that WIT should be involved and get some or all of the plot for development. But of course WIT will never get any funding for expansion from the government. It will be a massive wasted opportunity to expand main campus and another blow to WITs ambitions

Harry Palmr

The overhead view is compelling. Enough space to bring all the bits and pieces together add new faculties and accommodation.

imacman

Yea there is actually a bit of wall between the houses and HSE building behind which is the bottom of the WIT car park so there is a direct connection .

Harry Palmr

Build an underpass and they shall come.

Gaspode

Personal attacks not permitted. Respond to the post not the poster

JaCrispy

imacman wrote: »

........ I talked to a friend whos son works in WIT last week and .......

Well that's it then. If your friends son said it then that must be gospel. You should go to the local media with the revolutionary information.



Did "Hear" somebody utter the word "Say"?

imacman

JaCrispy wrote: »

Well that's it then. If your friends son said it then that must be gospel. You should go to the local media with the revolutionary information.



Did "Hear" somebody utter the word "Say"?

Im sorry you don't like but it a well established fact that this merger is toxic and has a long history of bad blood.
I think that this merger will only be successful if there is a cull of the management at the top of both institutes and new president come in with no skin in the game and who recognizes merit wherever it lies in either organization.

Dexpat

imacman wrote: »

Im sorry you don't like but it a well established fact that this merger is toxic and has a long history of bad blood.
I think that this merger will only be successful if there is a cull of the management at the top of both institutes and new president come in with no skin in the game and who recognizes merit wherever it lies in either organization.

While this looks like being forced on WIT without much proper consultation it is probably going to happen. If so then as you say, the important thing is that the new president in independent.

I know in the creation of TU Dubin the three existing heads (DIT, Tallaght and Blanchardstown) stood down and didn't go forward for the position of head of the new institution. The new president came from UCD with no baggage. It's imperative that the same is done in this case.

Harry Palmr

Just spotted this while googling TUSE.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/181370/0/0?returnUrl=transactions.asp&b=

Kilkenny seeking its spoils Ignore the security warning on chrome. Site is fine.

https://consult.kilkenny.ie/en/consultation/kilkenny-city-and-county-draft-development-plan-2021-2027/chapter/5210-third-level-education-facilities

914

Dexpat wrote: »

While this looks like being forced on WIT without much proper consultation it is probably going to happen. If so then as you say, the important thing is that the new president in independent.

I know in the creation of TU Dubin the three existing heads (DIT, Tallaght and Blanchardstown) stood down and didn't go forward for the position of head of the new institution. The new president came from UCD with no baggage. It's imperative that the same is done in this case.

It is, but cannot see that happening.

JimWinters

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just spotted this while googling TUSE.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/181370/0/0?returnUrl=transactions.asp&b=

Kilkenny seeking its spoils Ignore the security warning on chrome. Site is fine.

https://consult.kilkenny.ie/en/consultation/kilkenny-city-and-county-draft-development-plan-2021-2027/chapter/5210-third-level-education-facilities

Can’t blame Kilkenny Co Co for trying, what a sorry mess. Waterford Council should start lobbying for an amalgamated campus in Carriganore for ITC and WIT, like TUD did in Grangegorman. They have shown that a single campus is best practice and distributed or satellite campus aren’t efficient. A billion Euro campus would look great on the banks of the Suir! Obviously never going to happen...

Can anyone explain why ITC are the ones issuing the tender and advertising jobs like the PR one? Any casual observer might reasonably assume Carlow are running the merger process and the WIT contingent are standing idly by...

Harry Palmr

If KK want in I suggest they repurpose the Ferrybank Shopping Centre!

smellyoldboot

It's too late now and this is all only ineffectual whingeing. The horse has long bolted as our brainless and/or cowardly politicians looked on and in many case cheered on from the sidelines. TUSE is the final nail in Waterford coffin.

SeanieW1977

JimWinters wrote: »

Can’t blame Kilkenny Co Co for trying, what a sorry mess. Waterford Council should start lobbying for an amalgamated campus in Carriganore for ITC and WIT, like TUD did in Grangegorman. They have shown that a single campus is best practice and distributed or satellite campus aren’t efficient. A billion Euro campus would look great on the banks of the Suir! Obviously never going to happen...

Can anyone explain why ITC are the ones issuing the tender and advertising jobs like the PR one? Any casual observer might reasonably assume Carlow are running the merger process and the WIT contingent are standing idly by...

Waterford being totally outflanked.

How many of our Councillor’s are third level educated even?! Correction - Wyse is 1/32 is that correct ?!

I’ll say zero! And we expect them to understand the full workings of how education brings investment?!

smellyoldboot

SeanieW1977 wrote: »

Waterford being totally outflanked.

How many of our Councillor’s are third level educated even?!

I’ll say zero! And we expect them to understand the full workings of how education brings investment?!

It should be a mandatory requirement to be a public representative, although I'm sure some more mickey mouse degrees would be created to facilitate the less intellectually able from "political families" to squeeze in. Even in saying that, that cretin Deasy was educated enough but still a useless ****e....

azimuth17

JimWinters wrote: »

Can’t blame Kilkenny Co Co for trying, what a sorry mess. Waterford Council should start lobbying for an amalgamated campus in Carriganore for ITC and WIT, like TUD did in Grangegorman. They have shown that a single campus is best practice and distributed or satellite campus aren’t efficient. A billion Euro campus would look great on the banks of the Suir! Obviously never going to happen...

Can anyone explain why ITC are the ones issuing the tender and advertising jobs like the PR one? Any casual observer might reasonably assume Carlow are running the merger process and the WIT contingent are standing idly by...

Council input has no effect. This is a government political decision to satisfy Kilkenny and Wexford. Both places will get some sort of building and TUSE structure. The politics dictate that. Local politicians in both places want a local presence rather than a full spectrum university in Waterford. Waterford is politically isolated and powerless IMHO. Merger has been agreed to by WIT and Carlow IT. Only option is for WIT to explode the whole process or else watch while it is dismembered and faculties spread across the region. We wanted a Uni and this is the political price for what will not be the uni which will deliver what the region needs again IMHO. Very difficult situation.

As for Carlow leading the process. you need only look back to the destruction of WIT leadership and what happened to Prof Byrne. WIT was blackened by allegations of all sorts of shenanigan's none of which any report or review was able to show. I understand that some TUI/WIT whistleblowers who could not read accounts alleged all sorts (subsequently shown to be rot after audit) which allowed department and HEA to blow WIT out of favour hence a political pivot by them to Carlow even though it is substantially smaller than WIT. The same TUI/WIT group are now like mice, not a peep from any of them, as they contemplate a very different future than the full university Prof Byrne wanted. Notwithstanding this, or rather as a result of WITs individual uni application, there has been political pressure to "do" something in Wexford and Kilkenny since Fine Gael/Labour came to power in 2011. This suits the department, the HEA and the existing universities.

SeanieW1977

azimuth17 wrote: »

Council input has no effect. This is a government political decision to satisfy Kilkenny and Wexford. Both places will get some sort of building and TUSE structure. The politics dictate that. Local politicians in both places want a local presence rather than a full spectrum university in Waterford. Waterford is politically isolated and powerless IMHO. Merger has been agreed to by WIT and Carlow IT. Only option is for WIT to explode the whole process or else watch while it is dismembered and faculties spread across the region. We wanted a Uni and this is the political price for what will not be the uni which will deliver what the region needs again IMHO. Very difficult situation.

As for Carlow leading the process. you need only look back to the destruction of WIT leadership and what happened to Prof Byrne. WIT was blackened by allegations of all sorts of shenanigan's none of which any report or review was able to show. I understand that some TUI/WIT whistleblowers who could not read accounts alleged all sorts (subsequently shown to be rot after audit) which allowed department and HEA to blow WIT out of favour hence a political pivot by them to Carlow even though it is substantially smaller than WIT. The same TUI/WIT group are now like mice, not a peep from any of them, as they contemplate a very different future than the full university Prof Byrne wanted. Notwithstanding this, or rather as a result of WITs individual uni application, there has been political pressure to "do" something in Wexford and Kilkenny since Fine Gael/Labour came to power in 2011. This suits the department, the HEA and the existing universities.

Taking something away from a City (which is what is ultimately happening here)

And giving to regional towns.

That is fundamentally wrong.

Particularly a city that needs it more then any.

5 cities in Ireland & 1 that’s without a university no coincidence it’s the poorest by a long way coupled with the highest unemployment

imacman

SeanieW1977 wrote: »

Taking something away from a City (which is what is ultimately happening here)

And giving to regional towns.

That is fundamentally wrong.

Particularly a city that needs it more then any.

5 cities in Ireland & 1 that’s without a university no coincidence it’s the poorest by a long way coupled with the highest unemployment

It is fundmentally wrong but it's political stroke to appeal to regional towns.This headline applies to MTU but it's the same principle for wexford or kilkenny

http://www.clare.fm/news/current_affairs/ennis-university-town-september-2021-lit-ait-plan/

Ennis to be a university town ,give me a break . And nobody sees the irony of the government giving DIT 500 million to almagate all their campuses on to Grangegorman.The government own plan for Grangegorman states that a single fully developed campus is a much better model than the geographically divided multi campus approach that existed in the old DIT.And then they force that multi campus model on to the TUs. The reasoning of course is not about education but politics .

vriesmays

SeanieW1977 wrote: »

5 cities in Ireland & 1 that’s without a university no coincidence it’s the poorest by a long way coupled with the highest unemployment

A university won't reduce Waterford's unemployment.

azimuth17

imacman wrote: »

It is fundmentally wrong but it's political stroke to appeal to regional towns.This headlinesapplies to MTU but it's the same principle for wexford or kilkenny

http://www.clare.fm/news/current_affairs/ennis-university-town-september-2021-lit-ait-plan/

Ennis to be a university town ,give me a break .

You can be against it all we like Imacman and think its the biggest crock since the tower of Babel, but the politics at present want it and want to spread it everywhere. The Limerick/Ennis announcement shows the direction of travel. There will be parts of a TUSE, if WIT go for it, in Wexford and Kilkenny. Its what will be left in Waterford is the big question. People should concentrate on that in my opinion and on the funding post merger. Unless of course, WIT refuse to merge. .

Rustyman101

vriesmays wrote: »

A university won't reduce Waterford's unemployment.

wrong again !