M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Kevwoody

Cork Trucker wrote:

They are taking down the signs that advise of speed cameras in the area now, revenue is indeed the number 1 focus, road safety is number 2.

It has been widely reported that the cost of running the speed camera vans is greater than the revenue they bring in, so the argument that they are a money making racket is nonsense.

Secondly, over 900 new speed camera locations have been implemented, but over 500 have been removed. Maybe the signage you seen being removed was for this reason?

Truckermal

Another fatality over night at Ballybeg..

Cork Trucker

Kevwoody wrote: »

It has been widely reported that the cost of running the speed camera vans is greater than the revenue they bring in, so the argument that they are a money making racket is nonsense.

Secondly, over 900 new speed camera locations have been implemented, but over 500 have been removed. Maybe the signage you seen being removed was for this reason?

Very possibly, I’ll try and find the article again on it

Edit:

Article below

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/speed-cameras-in-operation-in-900-new-locations--but-warning-signs-removed-982153.html

Cork Trucker

Truckermal wrote: »

Another fatality over night at Ballybeg..

I fear this won’t be the last before calls to build the motorway are taken seriously. R.I.P to the deceased, condolences to their family.

Mc Love

Static cameras are needed instead of the Gosafe Vans

AugustusMinimus

I know an economic cost should never be put on a life but just imagine that cost over the last 10 years when this road should have been built.

How the greens can oppose it is beyond belief.

AugustusMinimus

How can there by go safe vans on the M8 given they can’t park on a motorway?

And there is no history of crashes on the M8. What sort of bull**** is this?

E36Ross

Mc Love wrote: »

Static cameras are needed instead of the Gosafe Vans

Static cameras will not solve the backlog of traffic in Buttevant/Charleville.
It wont stop Tractors tipping along at 40kmh or Mary doing 65kmh in her Yaris and it won't solve the madness of Ballybeg bends, Rourkes Cross etc..... It needs a Motorway.

Cork Trucker

E36Ross wrote: »

Static cameras will not solve the backlog of traffic in Buttevant/Charleville.
It wont stop Tractors tipping along at 40kmh or Mary doing 65kmh in her Yaris and it won't solve the madness of Ballybeg bends, Rourkes Cross etc..... It needs a Motorway.

Trying to hammer that message home to mad Eamon and his green sprouts is the thing

niloc1951

E36Ross wrote: »

Static cameras will not solve the backlog of traffic in Buttevant/Charleville.
It wont stop Tractors tipping along at 40kmh or Mary doing 65kmh in her Yaris and it won't solve the madness of Ballybeg bends, Rourkes Cross etc..... It needs a Motorway.

The Ballybeg bends are a classic location where Average Speed Cameras should be installed with a road appropriate speed limit.

O'Rourks cross should have a fixed speed camera covering vehicles travelling in both directions with a junction appropriate speed limit.

As for GoSafe vans or other vehicles parked on the side of motorways SEE HERE why it's a bad idea

Isambard

niloc1951 wrote: »

The Ballybeg bends are a classic location where Average Speed Cameras should be installed with a road appropriate speed limit.

O'Rourks cross should have a fixed speed camera covering vehicles travelling in both directions with a junction appropriate speed limit.

As for GoSafe vans or other vehicles parked on the side of motorways SEE HERE why it's a bad idea

The problems on the Ballybeg section surely aren't about speed, por driving on a very poor section of road I would guess is the biggest culprit

Rourkes Cross was supposed to be getting a roundabout....it has a speed limit installed in recent years

Mc Love

Bit of an update https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/news/n-m20-cork-limerick-road-improvement-scheme-update

E36Ross

niloc1951 wrote: »

The Ballybeg bends are a classic location where Average Speed Cameras should be installed with a road appropriate speed limit.

Iv came across people broken down, people with flat tyres and even ratchet straps in the middle of the road on those bends.

Its not suitable for the amount of traffic and no amount of speed enforcement is going to solve the layout or capacity issues.

Cork Trucker

Mc Love wrote: »

Bit of an update https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/news/n-m20-cork-limerick-road-improvement-scheme-update

It refuses to go away

Limerick City and County Council is developing the N/M20 Cork to Limerick Road Improvement Scheme in partnership with Cork County Council, Cork City Council, Tipperary County Council, Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport (DTTaS). Limerick City and County Council, as lead authority, have appointed Barry Transportation and its project partners Sweco and WSP (BSW) as Technical Advisors to progress the planning and design for the scheme.

Cookiemunster

Cork Trucker wrote: »

It refuses to go away

What are you talking about? This is the very first line in the press release.

The Cork to Limerick scheme will be developed within the broad N20 corridor via Charleville and Mallow.

The link to the M8 is dead.

The work to date leads to the conclusion that the broad N20 corridor via Charleville and Mallow performs best overall in relation to the project objectives and is the preferred road-based scenario which:

• Provides the highest journey time savings between Cork and Limerick
• Has the potential to save the greatest number of road-based collisions, accidents and fatalities, across the network
• Public transport service times and reliability would improve and there would be an opportunity to use the new route for express inter-city bus services
• Has the greatest transfer of traffic from the existing road network onto the new scenario
• Provides the highest level of traffic relief to towns and villages
• Provides a step change in connectivity between Cork and Limerick, as well as improving connectivity for the regional towns along the corridor
• Provides the opportunity to grow the Atlantic Economic Corridor by improving connections to west Cork and Kerry
• Provides good opportunities for connection to existing and proposed public transport interchanges
• Enables opportunities for walking and cycling activity in towns and villages due to reduced traffic levels

Cork Trucker

Cookiemunster wrote: »

What are you talking about? This is the very first line in the press release.



The link to the M8 is dead.

Why the bloody hell mention Tipperary for the umpteenth time then?

Cookiemunster

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Why the bloody hell mention Tipperary for the umpteenth time then?

It's clearly stated in the section of text that you quoted.

Limerick City and County Council is developing the N/M20 Cork to Limerick Road Improvement Scheme in partnership with Cork County Council, Cork City Council, Tipperary County Council, Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) and the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport (DTTaS). Limerick City and County Council, as lead authority,

They've been part of the process since the start and the partners have now agreed to follow the N20 corridor.

niloc1951

Isambard wrote: »

The problems on the Ballybeg section surely aren't about speed, por driving on a very poor section of road I would guess is the biggest culprit

Rourkes Cross was supposed to be getting a roundabout....it has a speed limit installed in recent years

Perhaps the Ballybeg bends need a 60km/h speed limit, enforced by an Average Speed Camera setup.

As for O'Rourks Cross, I know there is currently 60km/h signposts but these should be backed up by cameras.

I know much of the whole N20 is a shambles but properly policed appropriate speed limits will surely save lives until a proper road is provided.

marno21

corklimerick.ie wrote:

Whilst all road-based scenarios have the potential to improve connectivity between Cork and Limerick, the appraisal concluded that the road-based scenario running in the N20 corridor (Scenario D) performs best overall in relation to the project objectives and is the preferred road-based scenario.

MOD: The option being carried forward to Options Selection (along with the two rail based options) is the route shadowing the N20 route. Therefore, from now on, all discussion of "alternative routes" via Mitchelstown or Cahir is no longer permitted on this thread. Discussion of the planned motorway via Charleville and Mallow ONLY.

Limerick74

Mc Love wrote: »

Bit of an update https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/news/n-m20-cork-limerick-road-improvement-scheme-update

More details on www.corklimerick.ie

Reputable Rog

All we need now is an M72 and M21 to Tralee and M23/M22 Killarney and we’re sorted.

Cork Trucker

Reputable Rog wrote: »

All we need now is an M72 and M21 to Tralee and M23/M22 Killarney and we’re sorted.

We've a better chance of winning the Euromillions or the EU writing off our debt, especially if Ryan is in government.

Reputable Rog

Are the rail scenarios in addition to the M20.?

AugustusMinimus

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Are the rail scenarios in addition to the M20.?

Would be interesting to know how much adding a rail line to connect with the Foynes one would cost.

I suspect it wouldn’t make sense as the alignment just wouldn’t be straight enough.

Cork Trucker

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Are the rail scenarios in addition to the M20.?

Instead of according to the Greens.

Cork Trucker

Why do i bother

https://twitter.com/sendboyle/status/1230188657249837058

marno21

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Why do i bother

https://twitter.com/sendboyle/status/1230188657249837058

You can send him a copy of TII's design standards that state that a "motorway" is simply a Type 1 Dual Carriageway with blue signs if you want. There is no cost difference between what's planned here and a dual carriageway unless there's some blue paint shortages on the way.

marno21

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Would be interesting to know how much adding a rail line to connect with the Foynes one would cost.

I suspect it wouldn’t make sense as the alignment just wouldn’t be straight enough.

It's going to be appraised as part of the second phase of this project.

It's the following options:
M20 shadowing the existing N20
Rail line via Charleville-Patrickswell
New direct rail service via Limerick Junction

Cork Trucker

marno21 wrote: »

You can send him a copy of TII's design standards that state that a "motorway" is simply a Type 1 Dual Carriageway with blue signs if you want. There is no cost difference between what's planned here and a dual carriageway unless there's some blue paint shortages on the way.

I'll post him an edited version of your answer and see what he comes back with, he's currently in Waterford for the co-option of a colleague so i don't expect an answer until later on tonight/early tomorrow.

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

You can send him a copy of TII's design standards that state that a "motorway" is simply a Type 1 Dual Carriageway with blue signs if you want. There is no cost difference between what's planned here and a dual carriageway unless there's some blue paint shortages on the way.

He presumably means a low standard 2+2. With most of the N20 replaced by a new single carriageway.