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Pub Players At Jp Masters

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    #122
    RedJoker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭RedJoker


    derek2222_ie wrote: »
    I was one of these so called pub players who played at the masters. Although i did not cash I was very pleased with my play in my first event of this size. I learned a lot from it and hopefully the next time I am in an event like this I will go deeper.

    I played 14 and a bit levels of this tournament and in general the play was top class. Before this thread started I spoke to a few people the weekend about so called " pub players" and the way they play. I find it amusing when someone says to me "I cant get this guy to lay down KJ/KQ etc.". Is that not exactly what we are looking for from with a structure like this.

    Also when does a "pub player" stop being a pub player?

    Lots of people have trouble adapting to calling station type players. They use excuses like you can't bluff them or outplay them, etc. They think that because they're always calling down with middle or bottom pair that you should just wait for TPTK+ and value bet really hard.

    The problem they find is that these hands don't come along very often so they get blinded down a lot and frustrated.

    The correct adjustment is to value bet THINER (obv. value bet your good hands hard too). Start value betting all top pairs, some underpairs and even strong middle pairs.

    Anyway that's enough theory, lol donkaments and all that.


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    #123
    ElectraBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭ElectraBlue


    If you play poker in a pub, then you are technically a 'pub player'. Period. You can't say you play in a pub 'but' you are 'not' a pub-player... ah please! That's snobbery/ego or pride talking here! :rolleyes:

    There are good players, donks and players with several 'shades of grey' ... the environment doesn't (and shouldn't) come into it. Granted there's more weakness that can be exploited on the pub scenes but the same weakness can be seen at lower levels in casinos/online. From working as a dealer in tournaments - I've seen equal amount of weak/bad play from the 'not-a-pub-player' crowd as the true pub players...

    Maybe I'm talking thru my hat here, but the whole issue is pointless!


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    #124
    robinblinds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭robinblinds


    RTE could commission this.


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    #125
    Ste05
    Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    Are we actually having a debate about what is an actual "Pub Player" i.e. someone that plays in a pub and whether there is even 1 good player that would lower himself to play Poker in a pub. Or are we talking about the descriptive term "Pub Player" used to describe someone that's not very good at Poker??

    If it's the former, LOL, if it's the latter get over it anyone who plays in a pub.

    This thread is such a mess...


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    #126
    derek2222_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭derek2222_ie


    ElectraBlue wrote: »
    If you play poker in a pub, then you are technically a 'pub player'. Period. You can't say you play in a pub 'but' you are 'not' a pub-player... ah please! That's snobbery/ego or pride talking here! :rolleyes:

    There are good players, donks and players with several 'shades of grey' ... the environment doesn't (and shouldn't) come into it. Granted there's more weakness that can be exploited on the pub scenes but the same weakness can be seen at lower levels in casinos/online. From working as a dealer in tournaments - I've seen equal amount of weak/bad play from the 'not-a-pub-player' crowd as the true pub players...

    Maybe I'm talking thru my hat here, but the whole issue is pointless!


    I have no problem with being called a pub player as that is where I play most of my poker. What I do have a problem with is everytime someone makes a bad play or a bad call they are straight away called "pub players". I have played in casinos from time to time and have seen much worse players in there at times. I am the first to admit that the standard in pub games is very low but it really annoys me when all you hear after a hand is "he must be a pub player".

    We all have to start somewhere.


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    #127
    YULETIRED
    Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭YULETIRED


    Domino Joe the Legend.
    My uncle Joe was one of Ireland finest domino players, however he couldn't play without a bowl of malt beside him, and so he became the George Best of Dominos,
    he never got the recognition he deserved due to his instistence of being half jarred every game he played,.....he retired unbeaten when his liver collapsed in 1979........They used to say, .Ol Joe seemed to always have a double ready when he needed it. Pub players be warned, the ol Liver is sacred.


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    #128
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I think JP should organise a team of Pub Players to take on a team of 'Good players' and we'll settle this.


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    #129
    The Al Lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭The Al Lad


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I think JP should organise a team of Pub Players to take on a team of 'Good players' and we'll settle this.


    Which team will you be on then ???:p


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    #130
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I will always be a useless pub donk!


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    #131
    robinblinds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 754 ✭✭✭robinblinds


    StephenInsane wrote: »
    LOL!! No John is happily married I'm afraid. Not only that but he's one of the most romantic men I've ever heard of. He used to always take his wife on romantic get-aways to Paris, Rome etc. Once me and my girlfriend were chilling watching the box at her house, and John pulled up in a white Roller to whisk the wife away to Conemara (it was their anniversay).

    Romantic but tough, I remember another time a load of rough looking teenagers were smoking joints outside the house. When he told them to scram, one of them got lippy and John hammered him, he didn't hit him in the face because he knew of the damage he could do, just all bodyshots, I'd say the kids still got bruises.

    If i was to compare him to anyone, it would definitely be Home & Aways Alf Stewart. A real friendley old-fashioned gent, but by-heck, you better not step out of line!

    I totally misread that line...


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    #132
    nicnicnic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭nicnicnic


    It was a great performance from so many players that play in the pub game JP mentioned/runs. There wasn't that many waterford players or kerry players at the latter stages of similar tournaments recently so they must be doing something right in the kestrel and good on them. There was obviously a pool of very good players in that game to begin with and its only natural that this will improve the other players as they feed/learn off the good players.


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    #133
    DubTony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭DubTony


    The best one is tells. Some "pub players" have awful tells that I have to say I haven't seen in a casino. Except once.

    I was invited to play in a charity thing in a club and went to support my friend. One guy gave this tell so much before playing his flopped full house that it was easy to spot when he had a hand. In fact, it was so obvious to me, a complete novice at the time, and the guy beside me, that we almost started laughing the third time he did it.

    The thing is, 2 years later, I played with this guy in a casino and he was giving the same tell. In fact it was only when he did it that I recognised him. There was almost a scramble to muck when he bet the turn. He was well known in the casino as he was addressed by name by several players and staff. Just shows that moving on to a "better" environment means nothing.


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    #134
    cooker3
    Registered Users Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    People are making out like posters on boards never criticise regular casino players when in fact people spend far more time laughing at your average losing SE regular then your average pub player


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    #135
    Hitman Actual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Hitman Actual


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I think JP should organise a team of Pub Players to take on a team of 'Good players' and we'll settle this.

    Anyone who believes that this will actually prove anything must be a pub player. :)


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    #136
    Ste05
    Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    cooker3 wrote: »
    People are making out like posters on boards never criticise regular casino players when in fact people spend far more time laughing at your average losing SE regular then your average pub player
    And more time laughing at your average internet donk, I actually think "Pub Players" have gotten away quite lightly upto now...


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    #137
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    Theresalwaysone wrote: »
    I cant think of one semi serious/serious poker player that doesnt have a superiority complex or a big ego.

    it's very rarely warranted though.


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    #138
    JP Poker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭JP Poker


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I think JP should organise a team of Pub Players to take on a team of 'Good players' and we'll settle this.

    I did recently and Team Flushdraw won it by a country mile. Casino players ftw:o


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    #139
    eoin-dubh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭eoin-dubh


    that chap who won his ticket for this at Atlantis casino/cpt (and who cashed) was described on the telly as 'Having won his entry in a pub game'...

    So is the Atlantis Casino in Carlow a pub ??


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    #140
    JP Poker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭JP Poker


    eoin-dubh wrote: »
    that chap who won his ticket for this at Atlantis casino/cpt (and who cashed) was described on the telly as 'Having won his entry in a pub game'...

    So is the Atlantis Casino in Carlow a pub ??

    Is this Tommy Walsh? plays the 5/10/25 omaha


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    #141
    nicnicnic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭nicnicnic


    JP Poker wrote: »
    Is this Tommy Walsh? plays the 5/10/25 omaha

    think he means this chap

    http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=91658


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    #142
    JP Poker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭JP Poker


    nicnicnic wrote: »
    think he means this chap

    http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=91658

    the "all-in" chap


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    #143
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 8,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    There seems to be some confusion here between Pub Players (players who play poker in pubs) and Pubplayers (a collective noun for bad poker players).


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    #144
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,122 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    musician wrote: »
    There seems to be some confusion here between Pub Players (players who play poker in pubs) and Pubplayers (a collective noun for bad poker players).
    I can't see why, its pretty simple,


    "Pub Players": refers to players who almost exclusively play in poor structured pub games (not every game in a pub always falls into this). They see nothing wrong thier ability and that of their peers. They have little or no interest in improving at this time.


    Players who at times play in pubs (for fun, night out etc) are not "pub players". "Pub players" does not extend to anyone that plays in a pub game occasionally. Some players named previous in the thread are "casino", or "thinking" players (good players interested in bettering themselves), but often play in pub games for enjoyment.

    Alot of the regulars in some casinos, who only play in casinos, would be pub players really (as they fit all the criteria above, and the casino happens to be their local game)

    A pub or casino is not define by where they play, but rather, how they play and their attitude to the game. In general, the location (pub or casino) is a good indictator, hence the name.


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    #145
    El Stuntman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭El Stuntman


    it's the 'after-the-pub' players that worry me


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    #146
    Ste05
    Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    El Stuntman wrote: »
    it's the 'after-the-pub' players that worry me
    that'd be me, although drunk I'm nothing to worry about except, worrying about how much of my money you can take before some other gentlemen or lady takes it. Thankfully I've been keeping my drunken Poker rampages to on-line of late, unfortunately they are BR killers!!!

    Short stacking 5k NLHU, quadrupling or more my buyin and losing it all back FTW!!! :(:(


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    #147
    El Stuntman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭El Stuntman


    Ste05 wrote: »
    that'd be me, although drunk I'm nothing to worry about except, worrying about how much of my money you can take before some other gentlemen or lady takes it.

    the problem is that the drunken dude appears and starts playing like, well, a drunken maniac. We all know that he's going to spew off the loot, the question is to whom? In my eagerness to bust the chump, I always seem to be the fool that doubles him up :(. Followed by tilt, followed by rebuy, followed by rebuy, followed by mega-tilt....you get the picture


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    #148
    Ste05
    Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    LOL, very true, nothing worse then giving money to an ATM for him to redistribute to the rest of the table... :D


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    #149
    El Stuntman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭El Stuntman


    Ste05 wrote: »
    LOL, very true, nothing worse then giving money to an ATM for him to redistribute to the rest of the table... :D

    or BCB ;)


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    #150
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    nicnicnic wrote: »
    think he means this chap

    http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=91658

    That guy is the definition of a pub player.


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    #151
    vikarama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭vikarama


    THANKS very enjoyable reading some very interesting posts, to all POKER players OUT there continue to enjoy the game at whatever level u play ,MAY your cards be live and your pots be monsters{mike sexton} :)cheers vikarama


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