Pub Players At Jp Masters

The Al Lad · 07-05-2008 8:31pm

Ste05 wrote: »

Anyone who reads the boards Poker forum is not a "Pub player"....

WRONG stefan...I know a load of guys who post and read here that are pub players

Ste05 · 07-05-2008 8:34pm

The Al Lad wrote: »

WRONG stefan...I know a load of guys who post and read here that are pub players

Well they're not the type of player Lloyd would generally have been referring to, I would have thought, I would define a "Pub Player" as basically 1-3 of ocallagh's quote above, catagory 4 I would consider a normal player, actually playing in a pub, doesn't make someone a "Pub player". It's just a way to describe the kind of villain someone is up against, if anyone who plays Poker in a pub, finds that offensive, LOL. Get over it, you play against these guys every day and you don't think it applies???

EDIT: I sometimes play in the pub with the locals and some friends, but I don't consider myself a "Pub-player" and I definitely would consider most of my friends and the people I play against to be. It's just like saying they don't really understand basic poker theory. Again IMO...

bantee · 07-05-2008 8:36pm

The Al Lad wrote: »

WRONG stefan...I know a load of guys who post and read here that are pub players

True. I play a regular pub game and the standard of play has certainly increased over the past 2 years. You don't get as many juvenile errors as before.
Saying that, I do play the odd tourney in the casino too which is a bit more serious, and the overall standard would be better.
The lure of the pub game is the drink and the craic to be had, as the prizepool wouldn't always be the best.

RedJoker · 07-05-2008 8:38pm

lol donkaments.

mocata · 07-05-2008 8:39pm

What about the lovely elderly folk who heard about the game at the bingo, and limp-call every hand from AA-10/8o? I know a few round our way who hone their hold'em skills every nite on a poker machine

YULETIRED · 07-05-2008 8:43pm

Ste05 wrote: »

Well they're not the type of player Lloyd would generally have been referring to, I would have thought, I would define a "Pub Player" as basically 1-3 of ocallagh's quote above, catagory 4 I would consider a normal player, actually playing in a pub, doesn't make someone a "Pub player". It's just a way to describe the kind of villain someone is up against, if anyone who plays Poker in a pub, finds that offensive, LOL. Get over it, you play against these guys every day and you don't think it applies???

EDIT: I sometimes play in the pub with the locals and some friends, but I don't consider myself a "Pub-player" and I definitely would consider most of my friends and the people I play against to be. It's just like saying they don't really understand basic poker theory. Again IMO...

semantics Steo, the distinction was clearly made in relation to JPs game and the playere therein, the fact that we are delving into what an actual pub player now is, is not the point....so i think what was implied was these particular pub players were donks imo......

Ste05 · 07-05-2008 8:48pm

YULETIRED wrote: »

semantics Steo, the distinction was clearly made in relation to JPs game and the playere therein, the fact that we are delving into what an actual pub player now is, is not the point....so i think what was implied was these particular pub players were donks imo......

Oooh right, I didn't follow the threads about that so might be out of touch, but I still don't see why people would get upset? Most Poker players are terrible, whether they be internet, club, pub or homegame players, I wouldn't be getting upset if people talked about the players I play against as being terrible... but different strokes I suppose.

YULETIRED · 07-05-2008 8:53pm

Ste05 wrote: »

Oooh right, I didn't follow the threads about that so might be out of touch, but I still don't see why people would get upset? Most Poker players are terrible, whether they be internet, club, pub or homegame players, I wouldn't be getting upset if people talked about the players I play against as being terrible... but different strokes I suppose.

most players are terrible

i agree, i wish a pub player plyed for me on the ft 300 game, couldnt have been worse:(

vikarama · 07-05-2008 9:12pm

MoneySucks wrote: »

So what are the biggest exploitable mistakes that "pub players" make?

putting high value on pretty hands as i call them kj qj a10 suited etc, i could go on

Theresalwaysone · 07-05-2008 9:17pm

vikarama wrote: »

putting high value on pretty hands as i call them kj qj a10 suited etc, i could go on

do go on!

vikarama · 07-05-2008 9:30pm

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

do go on!

hi there opened a bit of ahornets nest with this thread i guess,only saying
referring to pub players as "strange","clueless"is a little bit fickle thats all.try to play the best in any game i play in "pint in hand"or not ,lookinjg forward to waterford next month.

Theresalwaysone · 07-05-2008 9:37pm

vikarama wrote: »

hi there opened a bit of ahornets nest with this thread i guess,only saying
referring to pub players as "strange","clueless"is a little bit fickle thats all.try to play the best in any game i play in "pint in hand"or not ,lookinjg forward to waterford next month.

I remember playing with a bunch of pub players down in waterford or wexford at some stage, in some IFA place. I cant remember a mate brought me there or something. There were exactly what you said they are not, strange and clueless, some Larry guy was always being way over aggressive, Gerry or someone was giving it socks with the speech and talking a **** hot game had a little shark thing but was every bit as useless I figured.

They were easily the worst players I have ever seen and they play in pubs mostly. Funny though. Game was sick soft too. Easy money.

eagle eye · 07-05-2008 10:08pm

I just had to come back and say that this is one of the most enjoyable threads in a long time.

Goodluck2me · 07-05-2008 10:35pm

StephenInsane wrote: »

LOL!! No John is happily married I'm afraid. Not only that but he's one of the most romantic men I've ever heard of. He used to always take his wife on romantic get-aways to Paris, Rome etc. Once me and my girlfriend were chilling watching the box at her house, and John pulled up in a white Roller to whisk the wife away to Conemara (it was their anniversay).

Romantic but tough, I remember another time a load of rough looking teenagers were smoking joints outside the house. When he told them to scram, one of them got lippy and John hammered him, he didn't hit him in the face because he knew of the damage he could do, just all bodyshots, I'd say the kids still got bruises.

If i was to compare him to anyone, it would definitely be Home & Aways Alf Stewart. A real friendley old-fashioned gent, but by-heck, you better not step out of line!

I didn't realise until this thread that you were funny, RT thanking your first post gave it away, I thought both were excellent! WP sir!

Ste05 wrote: »

Well they're not the type of player Lloyd would generally have been referring to,

I think they are tbh, al is one of them sure.

The Al Lad wrote: »

They are 2 of the better players that play JP's games and are at the business end alot,

Are you for real?

This says a lot about you imo.

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

I remember playing with a bunch of pub players down in waterford or wexford at some stage, in some IFA place. I cant remember a mate brought me there or something. There were exactly what you said they are not, strange and clueless, some Larry guy was always being way over aggressive, Gerry or someone was giving it socks with the speech and talking a **** hot game had a little shark thing but was every bit as useless I figured.

They were easily the worst players I have ever seen and they play in pubs mostly. Funny though. Game was sick soft too. Easy money.

Cliff notes: I did my bollix.

Theresalwaysone · 07-05-2008 10:41pm

goodluck2me wrote: »

I think they are tbh, al is one of them sure.
Love this, here we go, here we go, here we go!!!

Are you for real? This says a lot about you imo.
Here we go here we go here we goooooo

Cliff notes: I did my bollix.
Finished studying and making the daily smart ass comments on boards? Truth is, that night, I didnt do the loot, one of very few. Credit where credits due Joseph

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The Al Lad · 07-05-2008 10:43pm

eoin-dubh · 07-05-2008 11:17pm

Thought I'd Moved up from pub player to wine bar superstar...
but the beer belly gives it away..

so btw what the f*** is fold equity ??

Can any self proclaimed pros enlighten ??

The Al Lad · 07-05-2008 11:27pm

eoin-dubh wrote: »

Thought I'd Moved up from pub player to wine bar superstar...
but the beer belly gives it away..

so btw what the f*** is fold equity ??

Can any self proclaimed pros enlighten ??

Joe (goodluck2me) will

Goodluck2me · 07-05-2008 11:28pm

The Al Lad wrote: »

.

pm me what the original post said?

HoLLLLLaments · 07-05-2008 11:37pm

goodluck2me wrote: »

pm me what the original post said?

i saw it, was pretty insane. you should challenge him to a knifefight at midnight

Iceman78 · 07-05-2008 11:41pm

I cant believe I never got a mention in your earlier post about good players in the Kestrel!!!!

This thread is quality reading. I played with a lot of top players at the weekend and think that I have learned a fair bit from them but I also saw some bad play from a few so called top players.

Im sure I played a good few hands badly as well and just ran good in some races but we all need some luck in big tourneys.

The Al Lad · 07-05-2008 11:47pm

Iceman78 wrote: »

I cant believe I never got a mention in your earlier post about good players in the Kestrel!!!!

This thread is quality reading. I played with a lot of top players at the weekend and think that I have learned a fair bit from them but I also saw some bad play from a few so called top players.

Im sure I played a good few hands badly as well and just ran good in some races but we all need some luck in big tourneys.

I have you on the luck box list

Fair play man great result I heard a rumour the milky bars are on you next monday night :pac:

al10pin · 07-05-2008 11:50pm

Don't often post here but read most evenings, and to try and take my mind off things I am going to try and ramble a way through things here, as this thread is very important for the way poker should and will develop, as individualss from different aspects of the game are making comments, without anyone being wrong. I am going to try and make a golf analagy to help things.

The general pub player: A member of a golf society, with no official handicap, but tells people he plays off 18 and enjoys the day. (May win the odd time but never the captains prize.

The general casino player: Is a member of a club likes to drop the name, plays off 18, but has never broken 36 points in competition when he has to hole every put.

Good Pub Player: Is a member of club and in the society has a handicap of 18 but really should be 12 (never plays singles no need to return card) will always have the upper hand.

Good casino player: Three years ago started handicap of 18 now down to 10, can win when things go well, but doesn't recover as quickly from mistakes

Very Good Pub Player: Plays off 12 but could be off 8 but hasn't the time to play twice three times a week.

Very Good Casino Player: Plays off 7 wants to be off scratch and will analyse and do everthing to get there. But is clever enough to still be playing 12 handicappers off levels.

I think you get the idea..........

If I can be presumptious Lloyd would see himself as a 7 handicapper, always trying to improve and quite prepared to let you know what he thinks. His point is if you are the same handicap as himself and he makes incorrect remarks you should be delighted and take advantage. If you respond it is only about ego, and mostly he will have the advantage.....learn the lesson

All players should be welcomed and not knocked, but understand where you are at in your level of progression and try and make it as profitable as possible once you understand. (unlike myself who still believes it is the same level as the merrion 4 years ago)

Finally I don't agree with knocking people with snide or underhand comments, but the same points can be made without trying to kill someone. If you are the one at the butt end, and believe the points made about you are wrong, laugh about it, think privately the person saying it is a prat, hold it against them and use it to your advantage.

There is a level of superiority complex creeping into boards, mainly from those who own the ego's

Theresalwaysone · 07-05-2008 11:59pm

al10pin wrote: »

There is a level of superiority complex creeping into boards, mainly from those who own the ego's

I cant think of one semi serious/serious poker player that doesnt have a superiority complex or a big ego.

Enjoyed the analogy though.

JP Poker · 08-05-2008 2:44am

Mr.Plough wrote: »

Any idea what % of the starting field could be considered "pub players"?

There was a total of 45 players who play in my pub games. Of these 35 play only in pub tournaments. The remaining 10 play in casino's also.

nicnicnic · 08-05-2008 3:02am

i wish there was a good pub game in waterford, there was a few over the last three years.

good pub games should have

rebuys

ashtrays coming out at 12

a big tip for the bar person to keep serving until about 5 a m

aidankk · 08-05-2008 9:11am

nicnicnic wrote: »

i wish there was a good pub game in waterford, there was a few over the last three years.

good pub games should have

rebuys

ashtrays coming out at 12

a big tip for the bar person to keep serving until about 5 a m

Jeez were the games in waterford like that as well, i tought it was only kilkenny..

hf4z6sqo7vjngi · 08-05-2008 10:18am

nicnicnic wrote: »

i wish there was a good pub game in waterford, there was a few over the last three years.

good pub games should have

rebuys

ashtrays coming out at 12

a big tip for the bar person to keep serving until about 5 a m

Ah memories of the drunken late night GJP live games when they started off, oh how i used to admire the poet polishing off a litre bottle of bacardi and one or two others falling drunkingly asleep at the table.....good times

derek2222_ie · 08-05-2008 10:24am

I was one of these so called pub players who played at the masters. Although i did not cash I was very pleased with my play in my first event of this size. I learned a lot from it and hopefully the next time I am in an event like this I will go deeper.

I played 14 and a bit levels of this tournament and in general the play was top class. Before this thread started I spoke to a few people the weekend about so called " pub players" and the way they play. I find it amusing when someone says to me "I cant get this guy to lay down KJ/KQ etc.". Is that not exactly what we are looking for from with a structure like this.

Also when does a "pub player" stop being a pub player?

TommyGunne · 08-05-2008 10:43am

From my experience, any times I've played a tourney in pub, the standard has been mind numbingly bad. The standard in casinos would be slightly better. Still pretty terrible though.

I started out as a pub player tbh. Underage obv. I'd never played a tournament before when I went in there but I still very quickly realised that these players had absolutely no concept of anything. And that was when I was even worse than I am now. God knows how bad I consider them now.

Pub Players At Jp Masters

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