Pub Players At Jp Masters

mocata

Surely everyone playing poker is on a learning curve?! Have none of you ever peered back to 5+ years ago and how you thought about poker then? If you know your well ahead of someone on the curve, wouldn't you want to play with them as often as possible.

Ste05

MoneySucks wrote: »

So what are the biggest exploitable mistakes that "pub players" make?

Generally everything they do is exploitable, it's hard to narrow it down to one thing. They call too lightly and don't get enough value from their big hands.

DeadParrot

Raising pre flop then check folding is another one.

Mr.Plough

Casino players v pub players hu4rollz

mocata

Is that not a recipe for an ideal opponent though Ste?

lee_arama

Not raising the Blinds off weak hands when they've strong hands... Won a few ton one night out in Mallow when HU: Guy didn't raise AK and let me in with 83off... 883 flop...

I check the flop and he bets. I check turn, he bets. I bet river and he pushes. The mind boggles mind you. Boggles.

Or the classic "I felt my Ace high was good".

Dearg81

So what are the biggest exploitable mistakes that "pub players" make?

Entering a pub tournament for starters.

What the hell is fold equity btw?

smurph

MoneySucks wrote: »

So what are the biggest exploitable mistakes that "pub players" make?

probably overplaying top pair, top kicker. (been there done that, worn the teeshirt, ask llyod:o:o)

Mainly focusing more on the cards they have, rather than thinking of their opponents range of cards.

placing chips in little bundles taking up the whole table.:D:D

To be honest, there is not much difference between so called "pub players" and Casino players, except maybe the pub players lack of experience playing deepstack tournaments with 1 hour clocks, and having dealers on every table.

mocata

One of my faves b4 calling an all in with paint/rag " The kings/Jacks/Queens have been about tonite"

5starpool

Obviously, everyone is different, and it is not way limited to pub players as I see bad club players do it all the time, but generally wht I would expect of a bad pub player is to only play their own hand, and think that top pair is good enough to call any bet with.

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

mocata wrote: »

Is that not a recipe for an ideal opponent though Ste?

Sure is, the more the merrier IMO.

mocata wrote: »

Surely everyone playing poker is on a learning curve?! Have none of you ever peered back to 5+ years ago and how you thought about poker then? If you know your well ahead of someone on the curve, wouldn't you want to play with them as often as possible

Yep, I was sh1t back then, I didn't know what I was doing, and one of the most important things is game selection and playing people worse then you is kinda Poker 101. If you're the 10th best player in the world but are playing the top 9 players in the world, you're still gonna lose money even though you're the 10th best player in the World.

StephenInsane

shoutman wrote: »

Is she your ex girlfriend because you are now going out with her father?

LOL!! No John is happily married I'm afraid. Not only that but he's one of the most romantic men I've ever heard of. He used to always take his wife on romantic get-aways to Paris, Rome etc. Once me and my girlfriend were chilling watching the box at her house, and John pulled up in a white Roller to whisk the wife away to Conemara (it was their anniversay).

Romantic but tough, I remember another time a load of rough looking teenagers were smoking joints outside the house. When he told them to scram, one of them got lippy and John hammered him, he didn't hit him in the face because he knew of the damage he could do, just all bodyshots, I'd say the kids still got bruises.

If i was to compare him to anyone, it would definitely be Home & Aways Alf Stewart. A real friendley old-fashioned gent, but by-heck, you better not step out of line!

LuckyLloyd

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semibluff

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227257


do you ever over exagerate stephen??

mocata

Is John any blood relation to chuck norris?!

Ste05

StephenInsane wrote: »

LOL!! No John is happily married I'm afraid. Not only that but he's one of the most romantic men I've ever heard of. He used to always take his wife on romantic get-aways to Paris, Rome etc. Once me and my girlfriend were chilling watching the box at her house, and John pulled up in a white Roller to whisk the wife away to Conemara (it was their anniversay).

Romantic but tough, I remember another time a load of rough looking teenagers were smoking joints outside the house. When he told them to scram, one of them got lippy and John hammered him, he didn't hit him in the face because he knew of the damage he could do, just all bodyshots, I'd say the kids still got bruises.

If i was to compare him to anyone, it would definitely be Home & Aways Alf Stewart. A real friendley old-fashioned gent, but by-heck, you better not step out of line!

Have you considered telling him how you feel? You never know he might turn up with a big White Rolls just for you and him....

BigCityBanker

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

- openlimp;
- openraise pots for more than 3x irrespective of stack to blind ratios or levels of activity;
- give very simple betting pattern information with actions preflop - i.e. don't balance their preflop range;
- bet for information;
- overvalue top pair;
- overvalue draws to flushes or straights;
- not understand position;
- not understand pot odds;
- not understand how to pot control;
- defending far too loose from the blinds;
- preferring to call rather than 3 - bet;
- have a poor awareness of stack sizes and how it should affect your decisions;
- be unable to plan hands and not be aware when an action is pot committing;
- fail to value bet;
- be overly concerned with tournament life in certain spots;
- be very poor at putting all of the elements of a hand together and making logical decisions. i.e. just play their own cards a lot and be unable to think beyond the first or second level;

so your one step ahead jus cos you read the harrington on holdem series and rehash its principles in every other thread?

shoutman

StephenInsane wrote: »

LOL!! No John is happily married I'm afraid. Not only that but he's one of the most romantic men I've ever heard of. He used to always take his wife on romantic get-aways to Paris, Rome etc. Once me and my girlfriend were chilling watching the box at her house, and John pulled up in a white Roller to whisk the wife away to Conemara (it was their anniversay).

Romantic but tough, I remember another time a load of rough looking teenagers were smoking joints outside the house. When he told them to scram, one of them got lippy and John hammered him, he didn't hit him in the face because he knew of the damage he could do, just all bodyshots, I'd say the kids still got bruises.

If i was to compare him to anyone, it would definitely be Home & Aways Alf Stewart. A real friendley old-fashioned gent, but by-heck, you better not step out of line!

This has to be a LOL level!

Wp'd sir, you had me.

shoutman

BigCityBanker wrote: »

so your one step ahead jus cos you read the harrington on holdem series and rehash its principles in every other thread?

LL V BCB headz up for rollz? :pac:

That or the loser gets kicked out of the poker forum for good. I know who i'm rooting for.

LuckyLloyd

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lee_arama

shoutman wrote: »

LL V BCB headz up for rollz? :pac:

Winner (loser?) gets a date with the lovely John. Picked up in a luverly white limo.

BigCityBanker

shoutman wrote: »

LL V BCB headz up for rollz? :pac:

That or the loser gets kicked out of the poker forum for good. I know who i'm rooting for.

reading back I really should have inserted a sarcastic smiley after my comment.

BigCityBanker

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

simply put, yes I am. But I'm not as good as you obv.

this has potential to turn into my signature.

MrPillowTalk

shoutman wrote: »

This has to be a LOL level!

Wp'd sir, you had me.

Level ftw otherwise we may have to redirect to personal issues/gay and bisexual forum.

As regards the thread, there are in my estimation probably less than 100 "good" poker players in the country that said pub players are the worst. Its like with say football we have maybe 5 good players from the country all playing premiership football the local astropark 5 a side beginners league is probably the equivalent to the pub poker player. Them being **** doesnt mean they cant enjoy the game though.

lee_arama

Since this has gone waaay OT I might as well mention that Oliver/Dawson Saxon are playing Cork, Dublin, and Belfast from July 25-27...

The Al Lad

menoscemo wrote: »

Yeah but I think it turns out he was not a 'pub player' at all.
I know loads of guys who play pub tournaments and casino's and Internet in fact.

For example are Bomber Nolan, Dave Masters, Damo Kavanagh etc all 'Pub Players'? Because they certainly play a large percentage of their poker in pubs. You can't go round slagging 'pub players' as if they are one generic, bad playing bunch. This forum reaks of bias.

Yep your correct Niall

The guy who knocked out Lloyd is not a pub player, he plays the biggest games around Ireland and has done for some time, he recently chopped the 200k on ultimate bet for $30k ish

It's also funny that these "pub players" who know fuuk all about poker made up half the final table in the Masters...strange isn't it

LuckyLloyd

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davidgti

smurph wrote: »

probably overplaying top pair, top kicker. (been there done that, worn the teeshirt, ask llyod:o:o)

Mainly focusing more on the cards they have, rather than thinking of their opponents range of cards.

placing chips in little bundles taking up the whole table.:D:D

To be honest, there is not much difference between so called "pub players" and Casino players, except maybe the pub players lack of experience playing deepstack tournaments with 1 hour clocks, and having dealers on every table.

well said smurph,they tend to play alot faster aslo,no time thinking imo

Hyzepher

Personally i think a lot of people who look down on the pub player don't realise how small a gap there is between the average pub player and a "good" player in these types of tournaments. They mightn't understand the whole strategy side of things but this makes them unpredictable and this, coupled with the luck factor, seems to even things out a bit.

In the long run teah sure they can sustain any level of success but don't forget there are a lot of them playing this type of tournament so they are bound to get into good positions.