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Gimme a HD remake of I & II. That would keep me happy for years to come.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2715838
there yah go
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kearneybobs wrote: »The lead up to DE:HR was a clusterf*ck. Annoyance with the un-skipable takedowns, object highlighting, the move away to a more profitable gameplay was widely expected. Even after the first portion of the game was leaked and playable these things were questioned. It was only after the game released that the boss fights were found out for what they are and that the game truly felt and played like a DE sequel.
You'd be suprised to see the people out there that dreaded what they were doing to the game before it launched.
You never know. Thief 4 might open up once you get past the sequence that features in the previews.
I don't deny what you're saying, and certainly the unskippable takedowns were annoying for me all right, but my argument is that generally the tone & register of DE:HR remained the same. Its problems mostly stemmed from cosmetics - in the case of object highlighting, that could be turned off and was present in the original games anyway (and Thief for that matter!) - but overall the sequel still captured the core gameplay, mechanics and world of Deus Ex. People sighed a relief because yup, it was definitely a Deus Ex game.
It really doesn't sound or look like the same thing can be said about Thief, that it seems to have jettisoned much of the key elements of the franchise, or else watered them down as to ruin them anyway. Linear maps & the ability to kill your way through levels? Nope, that's not Thief, nowhere close. Of course as you say, you never know and perhaps it may yet be a stormer, but the evidence is not suggesting this so far
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I don't deny what you're saying, and certainly the unskippable takedowns were annoying for me all right, but my argument is that generally the tone & register of DE:HR remained the same. Its problems mostly stemmed from cosmetics - in the case of object highlighting, that could be turned off and was present in the original games anyway (and Thief for that matter!) - but overall the sequel still captured the core gameplay, mechanics and world of Deus Ex. People sighed a relief because yup, it was definitely a Deus Ex game.
It really doesn't sound or look like the same thing can be said about Thief, that it seems to have jettisoned much of the key elements of the franchise, or else watered them down as to ruin them anyway. Linear maps & the ability to kill your way through levels? Nope, that's not Thief, nowhere close. Of course as you say, you never know and perhaps it may yet be a stormer, but the evidence is not suggesting this so far
A quick search on here shows how skeptical you were of the game and that you feared for the game because it appeared so linear, appeared to have such an emphasis on action and seemed very simplified. These are taken from the Deus Ex: Human Revolution thread.
I dont intend to provoke you in any way by posting them here. That isn't my intention but they really does go to show that even the staunchest of fans and biggest opponents to 'new features' and gameplay mechanics can come around to liking a game, because in reality the things they changed up are so minor it really isn't worth getting fussed over it.*ressurects old thread*
http://kotaku.com/5691183/deus-ex-human-revolutions-remote-killing-and-elbow-sword
A new trailer has come out that - importantly - shows some proper gameplay at last; albeit briefly, but we get a bit of the UI too which is unique for a trailer.
Needless to say the trailer's emphasis is still on action & I'm worried that the non-blammo approach will just consist of airducts & cloaking.The first proper gameplay video has come out, with a developer talking us through the different ways you can approach scenarios. Those takedown animations look annoying to be honest, hope you can skip / turn them off. The video uses the Xbox360 version:Yeah it's not exactly riveting stuff, but to be fair it is the first level of the game. The first level of Deus Ex 1 wasn't exactly exciting either!To play devil advocate, we're clearly seeing the first level (out of context) when you're probably meant to be learning the basic mechanics of the game, so while the video is drab, fairly linear & uninteresting, that's likely because it's meant to be those things. The trend these days is for the tutorial to be the game's first level (as opposed to a dedicated "tutorial" level). I remember there was also a walkthrough of a scene in a nightclub, it seemed more advanced, and more interesting that the above video. So in that respect I'd hold fire before denouncing the game. As mentioned, a number of Deus Ex 1's maps were fairly poor, and quite cramped.
As for the other aspects, while the 3rd person bits are annoying, Deus Ex's cutscenes were all in the 3rd person. The first game was guilty of lengthy, clunky dialogue scenes that could go on forever, so it did feel you spent more time watching JC Denton than actually playing as him.
The takedown animations are very annoying though, there's no doubt about that. Not sure they're simplifying things - after all, the classic gameplay mechanic is that a melee blow from behind is a one-hit-kill (Deus Ex had that, hell even games like Thief had it)I don't get the comments about "next gen" graphics - is that really important? So what if it doesn't look look "next gen" (whatever that means), Deus Ex first and foremost should be about story, atmosphere, and most importantly - choices.
Now on the subject of choices, I'm beginning to feel a bit wary about this game. I HOPE that choices don't always just boil down to whether you snipe, frag or use a convenient air-vent, because as anyone who played Deus Ex knows, the variation went far deeper than that. But after reading that the PC is low priority for Eidos, I have a horrible feeling that "choice" is going to be a watered down, bland corridor-shooter with lip service paid to the idea of choice.
Going back to the talk of graphics, I actually disagree further on the basis that if nothing else, Human Revoluton seems to have impressive visual (and audio) design. It should just be about animation or poly-counts.It's the Gears of War effect really; developers are so terrified of not making their money back they'll ape any gameplay mechanic they perceive as popular or that goes down with the market. Better to lure in the average ADD suffering button-masher with promises of Gears'esque combat & take their money, than risk boring them. Hence the cover-based 3rd person malarky & the takedown animations. I wouldn't be surprised if a few Quick Time Events turn up at some point too.At the rate these explosive trailers are coming out, I'm concerned - are the trailers simply overly action-centric because of the market they're trying to aim at, or is it just because there really is that much shooting in the game. Think at this stage a few leaks and playthrough would be a good thing, hehe.They're not, they make no logical sense, even within the context of augmentations in the gameplay. Why should I made wait for my battery to recharge, just to bash a guy over the head? I wouldn't mind if it was some super-enhanced power ala the xray vision or whatnot, but it's not: it's the same move that could be accomplished if the devs gave you a baton, or baseball bat ffs.Uhm, no that's not what my criticism amounts to. Kiith already put it fairly well - the devs turned a standard melée attack into an unskippable cutscene, and attached battery cost to it as to intentionally hinder the player from avoiding weapon use. Given that (from what I saw) the only other nonlethal weapon - the dart gun - has feck all ammo available, it's an obvious contrivance to force players to shoot through situations.
And just from a player experience point of view, I found them extremely annoying after a while, and certainly broke you out of the moment.
Thief 4, at the moment, doesn't look like it's remaining very faithful to the original series. They don't seem to have put the best foot forward with promoting it and have certainly made a few faux pas in conveying the new features to the consumers. But you know what they say, no publicity is bad publicity.
It could all turn out ok in the end. I'm holding judgement until later down the line.0 -
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kearneybobs wrote: »I dont intend to provoke you in any way by posting them here. That isn't my intention but they really does go to show that even the staunchest of fans and biggest opponents to 'new features' and gameplay mechanics can come around to liking a game, because in reality the things they changed up are so minor it really isn't worth getting fussed over it.
Ok, that's way overkill, not sure what you hoped to achieve mass quoting old posts. I'm not opposed to 'new features', that's not the point I've been making. Yes, I was sceptical about DE:HR before it was released as a lot of its marketing over-emphasised action & its takedowns - something I already said I still don't like - but when the leaked HR build appeared on the net many realised things would be ok. I've already said it had its flaws but that overall the core gameplay that identified the Deus Ex franchise was intactAchievement / Trophy list is out
http://www.xboxachievements.com/game/thief/achievements/
I have an open mind about this , there seems to be a very vocal minority willing to knock it before they try it. It could be rubbish but I'm not coming to this game expecting it to be exactly like the originals, clue in the name really , it's called Thief , not Thief 4.
Oh please, it's not about knocking it without trying; I myself hope I'm proven wrong and it's an excellent new Thief game worthy of the franchise. God knows the Stealth 'Em Up genre could do with some new games and for that alone I have an open mind. But it's fair game to pass some reasoned judgement on a production once it starts releasing hard evidence and allows journalists to play the thing. Thief seems like a poor man's Dishonoured at this point, by way of the Syndicate reboot.0 -
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It's to promote replay value. Tales of Vesperia has one for 15 hours too. You have to skip dialogue to do it. They also have one for clocking 100 hours in the game.One of the trophies is to clear it in 15 hours or more Nice to see a game encourage you to take your time instead of flying through. Other than that, reads like the Dishonored trophy list.0 -
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I have an open mind about this , there seems to be a very vocal minority willing to knock it before they try it. It could be rubbish but I'm not coming to this game expecting it to be exactly like the originals, clue in the name really , it's called Thief , not Thief 4.
It could be a very successful reboot of the series, I am looking forward to it.
Only a month now until release, I have been waiting for this game for years! 0 -
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