Pitch And Putt

Draupnir

CanisLupis wrote: »

Draupnir,

I applaud your enthusiasm but with all due respect, the above things you suggest have already being tried. Do you seriously think that no-one has approached HQ/NEC about any of the above. If you delve deeper,, you will find some interesting facts.

Do you know that a comprehensive Ranking system was proposed in copy format to the NEC back as far as the mid-nineties! It may not have been perfect but it was simply rejected out of hand. It was not even used as a template to develop a new ranking system.

The first ever Holland/Ireland international in 2006 in Papendal would not have taken place but for the intervention of a certain individual who was not a member of HQ/NEC.

Many proposals have been offered by various individuals but not acted upon.

So,, the offers are there,,, people are willing,,, but not a lot is happening. Why?

It's about control. Some people like control. How much control, do you think the current PRO has over the website?

Rest assured,, it is very little. To be honest, he is a good PRO,,, he took the job when there was no-one else to do it. Remember, Alan Hanlon stepped down at Convention, no-one came forward. The job is seen as a poison chalice. The PRO could never win,,,,, sure look at the debate on this forum,,,,,,,, all the criticism is aimed at PR matters,,,,,,,,,, that's why you won't get too many County PROs either,,,,,,,, could you really be bothered with all the flack when you are busting your guts to get small pieces of info into the public domain.

To make matters worse,, we only add to the problem,, we spend all our time discussing the publicity image problem of Pitch & Putt. We go into detail to criticise the obvious. Image issues are only symptoms of the main problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, which is more serious again!!!

i.e Who controls Pitch & Putt in Ireland?

That's what determines what gets done in Pitch & Putt. Concentrate on that and you may find your discussions on this forum taking a different tack.

So, if you really want the freedom you so desire,,,, I seriously suggest that you look at the independent site/forum. Despite what has been said before,, it is extremely feasible and if done properly can exist without fear of sanction by the PPUI. Believe me, law surrounding internet usage covers this.

I've said it before in this topic, I am not very long back in the sport and have not got a huge amount of knowledge with regard to the internal affairs things that you are mentioning.

I am simply someone who is very interested in the sport and would like to see more information available online. I have my own ways of trying to help on that front and that is what I aim to do, help.

Jinkymagic

Kingdom wrote: »

Jinky, you should draw up a letter and seek a nomination. If you are that enthusiastic and have enough time to spare, go for it. The County Board will welcome you with open arms.

Its certainly something I will be doing in years to come and although I do have spare time I am the treasurer of our own club and to be honest I end up doing other jobs that other people should be doing themselves. I find that stressful enough. Maybe in 2 or 3 years Ill be up for it.

Kingdom

CanisLupis wrote: »

Draupnir,

I applaud your enthusiasm but with all due respect, the above things you suggest have already being tried. Do you seriously think that no-one has approached HQ/NEC about any of the above. If you delve deeper,, you will find some interesting facts.

Do you know that a comprehensive Ranking system was proposed in copy format to the NEC back as far as the mid-nineties! It may not have been perfect but it was simply rejected out of hand. It was not even used as a template to develop a new ranking system.

The first ever Holland/Ireland international in 2006 in Papendal would not have taken place but for the intervention of a certain individual who was not a member of HQ/NEC.

Many proposals have been offered by various individuals but not acted upon.

So,, the offers are there,,, people are willing,,, but not a lot is happening. Why?

It's about control. Some people like control. How much control, do you think the current PRO has over the website?

Rest assured,, it is very little. To be honest, he is a good PRO,,, he took the job when there was no-one else to do it. Remember, Alan Hanlon stepped down at Convention, no-one came forward. The job is seen as a poison chalice. The PRO could never win,,,,, sure look at the debate on this forum,,,,,,,, all the criticism is aimed at PR matters,,,,,,,,,, that's why you won't get too many County PROs either,,,,,,,, could you really be bothered with all the flack when you are busting your guts to get small pieces of info into the public domain.

To make matters worse,, we only add to the problem,, we spend all our time discussing the publicity image problem of Pitch & Putt. We go into detail to criticise the obvious. Image issues are only symptoms of the main problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, which is more serious again!!!

i.e Who controls Pitch & Putt in Ireland?

That's what determines what gets done in Pitch & Putt. Concentrate on that and you may find your discussions on this forum taking a different tack.

So, if you really want the freedom you so desire,,,, I seriously suggest that you look at the independent site/forum. Despite what has been said before,, it is extremely feasible and if done properly can exist without fear of sanction by the PPUI. Believe me, law surrounding internet usage covers this.

Ok Canis, lets talk about this. Kingdom isn't going to let this lie.

You refer to a ranking system devised in the mid 90's. Can you shed any light on this. The NEC has changed personel in the past 10/13 yrs, there are more forward thinking people there now. We are all open to ideas here, just look at the posts from today alone.
As for the issues surrounding the PRO/website/NEC are you sure the PRO has little control? Is it a case of a personality clash? there is very little a pro can do to get PPUi into the mainstream media. There would be no harm in relaying this to the PPUI public once in a while. Its like anything. If the people cannot hear about the progress the PPUI is making, or the obstacles that it is facing, of course people are going to whisper, its human nature.
Already there is hassle over a championship for next yr and we haven't got to bloody end of this year.

I'll withdraw my comment about the players who missed the provincial strokeplay as to be fair some had booked flights before the Irish calender was changed.

As for Alan Hanlon, well a lot of us, myself particularly thought he'd take the PRO onto the next level, having seen how good the Westmeath website was. I dunno what happened, but I do know Alan didn't do himself any favours by his behavour at scratch cups, by not keeping to time limits. It was commented on to me numerous times. Its a pity because he really could have made a good job of it. Articulate passionate, well-known, he was tailormade for the position.

I think you'll find a few people quite willing to support an independent forum, provided its not a free for all.

CanisLupis

Draupnir wrote: »

I've said it before in this topic, I am not very long back in the sport and have not got a huge amount of knowledge with regard to the internal affairs things that you are mentioning.

I am simply someone who is very interested in the sport and would like to see more information available online. I have my own ways of trying to help on that front and that is what I aim to do, help.

You can't say fairer than that,,, and you are right. I hope that you achieve a lot.

For my part, I would also like to do what I can but I would not be an expert in PR matters. My point is relating to more information online. It is possible to have a site where people can debate issues like this away from the PPUI site. We should not be in fear of PPUI retribution for a new site.

In relation to the previous site on the PPUI forum,,, in fairness to the NEC,, it was right to take it off the website and putting it back on could have legal implications for the union, based on my limited knowledge of libel and defammation law. It was a good forum until people started abusing it. Any new forum would also have to take that into consideration but it would have more freedom of expression.

Kingdom

CanisLupis wrote: »

You can't say fairer than that,,, and you are right. I hope that you achieve a lot.

For my part, I would also like to do what I can but I would not be an expert in PR matters. My point is relating to more information online. It is possible to have a site where people can debate issues like this away from the PPUI site. We should not be in fear of PPUI retribution for a new site.

In relation to the previous site on the PPUI forum,,, in fairness to the NEC,, it was right to take it off the website and putting it back on could have legal implications for the union, based on my limited knowledge of libel and defammation law. It was a good forum until people started abusing it. Any new forum would also have to take that into consideration but it would have more freedom of expression.

Thats been well acknowledged time and again. It was unfortunate, but people change and deserve second chances.

Kingdom

Jinkymagic wrote: »

Its certainly something I will be doing in years to come and although I do have spare time I am the treasurer of our own club and to be honest I end up doing other jobs that other people should be doing themselves. I find that stressful enough. Maybe in 2 or 3 years Ill be up for it.

Ok Jinky good enough for you man.

CanisLupis

Kingdom wrote: »

Thats been well acknowledged time and again. It was unfortunate, but people change and deserve second chances.

Sorry,, maybe I did not explain myself. I'm not talking about the people who write the messages to the forum,,, I am talking about the hosts. Under law, the publisher od distributor can be held liable for any defammation/libel that appears on their site/forum. The PPUI website is the host in this case. The PPUI would be regarded as the Publisher or the Distributor and could therefore be held responsible for the defammatory comments of others who post messages on their website. I think that this is the reason the forum was taken off and probably the reason why it will not be put back.

Kingdom

CanisLupis wrote: »

Sorry,, maybe I did not explain myself. I'm not talking about the people who write the messages to the forum,,, I am talking about the hosts. Under law, the publisher od distributor can be held liable for any defammation/libel that appears on their site/forum. The PPUI website is the host in this case. The PPUI would be regarded as the Publisher or the Distributor and could therefore be held responsible for the defammatory comments of others who post messages on their website. I think that this is the reason the forum was taken off and probably the reason why it will not be put back.

Ok, I posted a response to your email a few back, would you be interested in responding?

pnpforums

http://www.pitchandputtforum.com

If you use it, it will float, if you don't it will sink.

The choice is yours.

Kingdom

pnpforums wrote: »

http://www.pitchandputtforum.com

If you use it, it will float, if you don't it will sink.

The choice is yours.

I've spoken to the person involved in this and i've agreed to moderate. I'm rowing in behind this because, in my opinion, we've outgrown the small area we have here, and I've been convinced there is no ulterior motive behind this other site. If I'm proved wrong so be it.
Some have been looking for this so its up to ye to make it a success.

K.

HITMANHEALY

Fair paly to all let make this a success

Jinkymagic

Looks great so far. So long boards... I hope we'll see everyone on the new site soon! Word should spread in no time.

Macker1

pnpforums wrote: »

http://www.pitchandputtforum.com

If you use it, it will float, if you don't it will sink.

The choice is yours.

I will be heading over there later on to register. Well done......... The game deserves a voice and hopefully the forums will flourish.

Tipperman

CanisLupis wrote: »

Draupnir,

I applaud your enthusiasm but with all due respect, the above things you suggest have already being tried. Do you seriously think that no-one has approached HQ/NEC about any of the above. If you delve deeper,, you will find some interesting facts.

Do you know that a comprehensive Ranking system was proposed in copy format to the NEC back as far as the mid-nineties! It may not have been perfect but it was simply rejected out of hand. It was not even used as a template to develop a new ranking system.

The first ever Holland/Ireland international in 2006 in Papendal would not have taken place but for the intervention of a certain individual who was not a member of HQ/NEC.

Many proposals have been offered by various individuals but not acted upon.

So,, the offers are there,,, people are willing,,, but not a lot is happening. Why?

It's about control. Some people like control. How much control, do you think the current PRO has over the website?

Rest assured,, it is very little. To be honest, he is a good PRO,,, he took the job when there was no-one else to do it. Remember, Alan Hanlon stepped down at Convention, no-one came forward. The job is seen as a poison chalice. The PRO could never win,,,,, sure look at the debate on this forum,,,,,,,, all the criticism is aimed at PR matters,,,,,,,,,, that's why you won't get too many County PROs either,,,,,,,, could you really be bothered with all the flack when you are busting your guts to get small pieces of info into the public domain.

To make matters worse,, we only add to the problem,, we spend all our time discussing the publicity image problem of Pitch & Putt. We go into detail to criticise the obvious. Image issues are only symptoms of the main problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, which is more serious again!!!

i.e Who controls Pitch & Putt in Ireland?

That's what determines what gets done in Pitch & Putt. Concentrate on that and you may find your discussions on this forum taking a different tack.

So, if you really want the freedom you so desire,,,, I seriously suggest that you look at the independent site/forum. Despite what has been said before,, it is extremely feasible and if done properly can exist without fear of sanction by the PPUI. Believe me, law surrounding internet usage covers this.

Canis

I was part of that trip to Holland in 2006 and the person that organised it was fantastic. That particulare venture was all up in the air at the time and that person took it upon themselves to organise it and it went perfect...

NEC PRO I have to admit is doing a fine job.. I am not sure about controls of various things but over the last 2-3 weeks in particular, the website has improved dramatically which is down to him. He has copied posts from here which showed initiative as he wasn't able to at these comps so therefore should be complimented in that regard... We have to give people time in these jobs as Rome wasn't built in a day as they say... We need to support the PRO in everyway possible and ensure he gets relevant reports on comps he cannot attend.. This is just basic stuff to help out, not a lot to ask in my opinion...

Sounds to me Canis, you have a serious chip on your shoulder.... If you have these grievances why not take them to the appropriate forum, NEC convention in Feb

Jabba Da Putt

For anyone who doesn't know

http://www.pitchandputtforum.com/forum/index.php

che maher

hi i ply out of parteen pand putt and i was wonderin is tullamore in good nick ???

Jinkymagic

che maher wrote: »

hi i ply out of parteen pand putt and i was wonderin is tullamore in good nick ???

We've moved to our own forum at www.pitchandputtforum.com Sign up!

che maher

how do i sign up

weedolly

I use to be member there did'nt mind the hard greens knew all the bounces try learning to drop them short could come in handy sometime.

Trampas wrote: »

Erins Isle did they ever get a sprinkler system in there?

I remember playing there in the summer for quailfying events and the greens where like concrete.

K4t

I've played my local P&P a few times. It's a shocking course :pac: but I'm sure it does improve the ould short game. I never used more than a lob wedge at it though?

Par 3 courses are great for iron play. I played a par 3 course last week (2 birdies in the first 3 holes) and did very well in a big compeition at my golf course.

I wouldn't have time for this but It looks like great craic etc. Good luck to ye. Maybe I'll join up someday!

oulu

There is a great Pitch & Putt course beside Taylors lane, it is like a baby Augusta, super greens and lovely holes, I think course record is 42, My best 45

Davidth88

Lads/Lasses

Anyone played ( or a member of ) McBride PP in Dogheda ? WHats it like ?

Eegorbishcan

Well men... How are you all?? I haven't been whackin balls in a while but looking forward to getting back to it.. any tournaments coming up soon?

HITMANHEALY

Eegorbishcan wrote: »

Well men... How are you all?? I haven't been whackin balls in a while but looking forward to getting back to it.. any tournaments coming up soon?

Egor we have our own forum now

www.pitchandputtforum.com

Have a look - u will have u register though

TheMainMan2007

any in the dublin area. im new to here

HITMANHEALY

TheMainMan2007 wrote: »

any in the dublin area. im new to here

Ye loads man

where u from

www.dublinboardpp.ie u can see clubs in dublin

oneunder

What are the greens like through out the country at the moment

SalthillGuy

I came across a grand pitch and put course in Portumna recently. It is called Oldthort.
They also have a 9 hole golf course.
Very reasonableto play and free to residents.

Nuri Sahin

Best pitch putt courses I've ever played...

Portmarnock Links P and P and Good Counsel out near Edmonston GC.

Used to live a 5 min walk away from Good Counsel and I played nearly everyday during the summer.... ah good times

Weather improves I'll certainly make a plan to get out there again. Some cracking designed holes out there.

PhilipMarlowe

Ok, this thread is getting un-stuck.... I'll give it a bump here and then leave it to it's own merits...