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HITMANHEALY

utd for ever2 wrote: »

tipperman we would love to see you up in lucan.im only having a a moan about dublin players.we have made a big effort the last few years.dugout needs to get his facts right.

hitman are all the matches going to be finished this week in the leagues.

If you's win were both through, dont think we can be caught, but we will have to play our remaining fixture next week

utd for ever2

will the dublin board be sticking to the original dates for semi ect.

HITMANHEALY

utd for ever2 wrote: »

will the dublin board be sticking to the original dates for semi ect.

yes casue i ask for our'sto be changed and i was told NO

Faithful 7

I'm sorry but nobody is afraid of Lucan...given the chance i know the majority of players in leinster would be first to the scr cup there but its simply the weekend that is in it...May Bank Hol Weekend with the following from this year to choose from for example:
1-4, Ring Common Open Scotch Foursomes
1-4, Seapoint Open Scotch Foursomes
1-5, Navan Open Scotch Foursomes
2-4, Deerpark Open Singles
3, Lucan Scratch Cup
3, Meath Trial, Royal Meath
3, Ryston Scratch Cup., Location(s);
3-4, Collins Open Scotch Fourball
3-5, Tramore Open

Its hard to get around to every comp..if you could you would play in them all especially on courses with such good greens as Lucan....a good player can play on any type of greens it doesnt come down to players afraid of fast greens! i would play lucan any chance i could get just hard when you have a closer scr cup on the same day.. i agree with Tipper..Lucan is a fine course i will end on that

FlawedGenius

utd for ever2 wrote: »

tipperman we would love to see you up in lucan.im only having a a moan about dublin players.we have made a big effort the last few years.dugout needs to get his facts right.

hitman are all the matches going to be finished this week in the leagues.

I think most clubs only ever have 1 or 2 in outside Dublin scratch cups depending how far it is, barring the old county lads.Actually this man, UTD in particular is one of the best supporters of scratch cups from Lucan Dugout so defo doesnt apply to him. And if anything i think people whod be inticed to play the course with the better and faster greens adhoc dont ya tink.

HITMANHEALY

Lucan 7.2 Old County
Glenville 3.5 v 5.5 Loughlinstown

Lucan and Loughlinstown are through, first and second to be decided

Old County home to Loughlinstown
Glenville have to play CPM twice

Shandon 5 v 4 CY
Portmarnock 7.5 v 1.5 RGSC

Ierne through, CY will need 7 points to get through, shandon will need 6 depending on the first result 8 will seal it for shandon.

-3faithfull

Tipperman wrote: »

I am putting my neck on the block

1 - Tracey McGrath
2 - Siobhan Scannell
3 - Chrissie Byrne
4 - Marian Byrne

Will be an interesting competition in one of the best courses in Cork....

this could well be the top four tipperman but i played wid maggie hogan on sunday in tullamore and she had -19 for 36holes!!!!!!!!! so she has finally hit form again!!!!!!! i could be wrong but dont rule her out:cool::cool:

-3faithfull

william buckley -77
joe mc grath -75
larry maher -71
mark hogan -59
mick hogan -54
darren o connell -50
billy buckley -44
graham newman -41

counting 5 trials with 2 more to play tullamore 2moro nite and offaly masters in two weeks!!!!!!!!!!
any other info on county trials???????

mr.jingle

Tipperman wrote: »

Forecasted Dublin Team
Sean Harkins
Darren Thornberry
Anthony Malone (I think he will win the Dub Stroke)
Paul Nolan
JR Crangle (Leinster Match Exploits, and score Sunday)
Derek Courtney (Experience alone could sway his spot for Leinsters Only but could be dependent on Tullamore and Dublin Strokeplay efforts.)
If Derek fails to make it, Paddy O'Connor would have a good chance as looks to be in form.. Ger Fitzpatrick will all depend on Dublin Stroke but he has a good chance.. That is my opinion..

The above team I have put in will have 3 debutants but those 3 players have played well and consistent over the year. I maybe way off the mark but I will be very interested to see how wide I actually am!!

My god its been busy on here! Started readin a few comments bout 10 now its half bloody 12 an i still aint finished!!! lol
Thanks for the mention Tipperman:p
Personally i think ill have to do very well in lucan to be in with any sort of a shout for the inter counties i just think not Q for the national s/p is going to kill any chance i had but ya never no the run in the leinster m/p mite have turned a few heads haha but i aint holding my breath lol i think they might stick to the old pros such as courtney+skinner instead of the likes of myself as experience counts for a lot in the inter counties! Just out of interest heres wat i think it might be: D.Thornberry, S.Harkins, A.Malone, D.Courteney, P.Nolan and P. O'Connor. Just my opinion

Tipperman

-3faithfull wrote: »

william buckley -77
joe mc grath -75
larry maher -71
mark hogan -59
mick hogan -54
darren o connell -50
billy buckley -44
graham newman -41

counting 5 trials with 2 more to play tullamore 2moro nite and offaly masters in two weeks!!!!!!!!!!
any other info on county trials???????

We in Larkspur Park this evening and then Riverdale on Sunday, thats it then.. Our team will take good shape this evening but it will be very interesting to see if players can score well as it is really tight for a few places...

The scoring in Offaly is unreal. William Buckley is -77 for 5 trials.. Averaging -15 every trial as is Joe McGrath.... That type of scoring might put ye in medal contention at Larkspur Park....

Kingdom

Lads, I'm off for a day and ye go mental! Whats up with that?:D

Anyway I think Utd for ever and adhoc win the prizes for most contentious post yet. Its good to have ye on boards lads but I think Lucan players will have to support other comps (outside dublin too) more regularily to build up the support and goodwill that other scratch cups receive. I understand that this situation might not be of the making of the two lads in question (indeed these two lads do get their ar*es moving in terms of going to cups ) but yes there would be a stereotype with regard to Lucan supporting other cups, and unfair as that might be, it probably will take a year or two to shift.

There was a discussion on Scr Cups and clubs supporting each other etc. If you were to look at clubs supporting scr cups I'd like to see how much Old County contributed to cards played at scr cups compared to any other Dublin Club. I would say that from '97 to '04 a core group of 10 were travelling week in week out from Old County to scratch cups throughout Leinster. This would include days where qualifying in the morning for Lein, Dub then travel down for a cup in the afternoon. Did this result in Old County being the best supported scratch cup in Dublin? Certainly not.

From what I see there is a mini revival going on in dublin with regard to supporting their own scratch cups, and this is most welcome.

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

me and paul nolan, its a discussion i had with a member out my club, i said both are the same and should be took in that way as u have to play 4 nights of 36 holes to qualify and then 3 36 holes to get to the last 16 in the matchplay, that's more rounds than the strokeplay, and its on the day how u play with the matchplay u have to play well for 6 days probably in total

Thats a fair argument Gary and to be fair you state your case well. The Dublin team is the most open that I can remember. Unfortunately all this serves to do is highlight the peculiar way the Dublin team is picked. Some are saying derek is in with a chance, at this stage I would say that is highly improbable as he has no form to speak of, yet its not his fault as he didn't have to qualify for the two majors so should that be held against him? At the end of the day lads, there is a process there for all of us, if we have an issue with anything bring it up at club or county level, get enough signatures and get things changed.

Each county to their own, I know one former Intercounty mate of mine scoffs at us using a trial from the 2nd of April? Is he right?, perhaps, but at least its a tangible, transparent formula that nobody can crib about.

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Thats a fair argument Gary and to be fair you state your case well. The Dublin team is the most open that I can remember. Unfortunately all this serves to do is highlight the peculiar way the Dublin team is picked. Some are saying derek is in with a chance, at this stage I would say that is highly improbable as he has no form to speak of, yet its not his fault as he didn't have to qualify for the two majors so should that be held against him? At the end of the day lads, there is a process there for all of us, if we have an issue with anything bring it up at club or county level, get enough signatures and get things changed.

Each county to their own, I know one former Intercounty mate of mine scoffs at us using a trial from the 2nd of April? Is he right?, perhaps, but at least its a tangible, transparent formula that nobody can crib about.

In Tipp we sometimes use the John Shoer Memorial which is played on Bank Hol at Easter. This year is was not used as it was on in Lakeside and they had their own Scr Cup and also National Stroke Quals... When the John Shoer is used it then would suggest that the Trials would start in April or sometimes even March and we always finish with the Riverdale Scr Cup in July... This means that all players have to play consistently over a period of months and this builds up confidence.. The good thing about our Team is that we never really get a one hit wonder that may have 3-4 great weeks and then go off the boil completely..
Trials are there for one reason only... To get the most consistent team that is available in the County at that time.... You need every player playing there best for the Inter Co and trials suggests it is the best way to select a Team

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I didn't actually say he didn't qualify.. I was saying that he wasn't in the shake up... Do you think that qualifying for events only and not performing in them is good enough for the level that is required for an Inter County stage?

To be fair Tipperman if that is the process though then what other choice do they have?

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Ok no prob but to me it is not good enough to be qualifying these events and making top 10's etc... That is why Cork are so successful at Inter County... Their team is so hard to get onto but they are challenging very strongly for all events.. Records are proving this.. The will have 3 players this year that were in the top 4 of the Matchplay .. Frank Dineen looking like not making team and he is Munster Matchplay Champion.. I know they are awesome down there but competition is every bit as tough in Dublin but ye seem to fail to ignite in the Majors.. It is an observation but I think we all agree that Dublin Co Board have to lean towards trials of some sort with maybe one wildcard like in Cork

In essence Tipperman you could replace 2 or 3 players on the Cork or Dublin teams and the overall result wouldn't be significantly changed. I definitely think its only a matter of time before this latest crop of Dublin players break through. There is talent there undoubtedly, just needs a bit of time I think. remember these guys are still relatively young (Nolan, Healy, Crangle, Murray, McGreal, O'Connor, Mithen, Fitzpatrick, Cuddihy, Collins) all are in their 20's or younger (ok maybe not Collins), so time is on their side. Still!

Kingdom

Draupnir wrote: »

Why not blow the whole thing wide open and create a points system, where points could be entered for every event i.e. scratch cups, opens, league matches, county, provincial and national championships.

In that way, you could promote participation by the top players which would in turn hopefully attract spectators in bigger numbers. It would also make these competitions much more prestigious and increase the income that can be generated by them.

This could work similarly to national rankings but be done internally to Dublin, the more competition that the players take part in to qualify, the more prepared they could be for the inter county.

Now you're thinking! Good stuff. You should draw up something concrete Draupnir and post it here to be analysed/scrutinised.

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

To be fair Tipperman if that is the process though then what other choice do they have?

Oh I know Kingdom...The main problem is the players probably as a whole feel the system is failing. It is really up to the players to get their clubs to propose a new alternative that will suit most players and get the current format changed.... It will be interesting to see how it all turns out for next year....

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Anyone going to mcdonagh scratch cup on sunday, great course and worth a play on it if never played before

I probably will end up going there. Hopefully its in good condition.

HITMANHEALY

Kingdom ur a busy man, im heading to lucan on saturday for the scotch (can 2 players play from a different club still) - then heading to McDonagh for 9, hopefuly then ill be back if not our captains prize is on in the club so have to fall back on

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Oh I know Kingdom...The main problem is the players probably as a whole feel the system is failing. It is really up to the players to get their clubs to propose a new alternative that will suit most players and get the current format changed.... It will be interesting to see how it all turns out for next year....

I dunno, I think it would be time enough to get a players proposal and submit it to the co board. Anyway thats the dubs lookout!"

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Kingdom ur a busy man, im heading to lucan on saturday for the scotch (can 2 players play from a different club still) - then heading to McDonagh for 9, hopefuly then ill be back if not our captains prize is on in the club so have to fall back on

lots to reply to Hitman! Yes anyone can play together in a scotch open unless specified.

FlawedGenius

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Anyone going to mcdonagh scratch cup on sunday, great course and worth a play on it if never played before

Yea il be there, was runner up last year love the course.Will there be any Munsters coming up?any Cups down that way

Tipperman

GerCPM wrote: »

Yea il be there, was runner up last year love the course.Will there be any Munsters coming up?any Cups down that way

Ger

I will be playing Riverdale in Tipperary.. I have never been able to play it as it has always clashed. I haven't played there since Inter Co in 2000 and I really enjoy the course as it is easy enough when playing well....

I have a good record in Riverdale also so will be hoping to do well there..

Ballineen is on in Cork on Sat and with the Ladies Stroke on in Cork I would think a lot of them may stay down and watch that...

Kingdom

GerCPM wrote: »

Yea il be there, was runner up last year love the course.Will there be any Munsters coming up?any Cups down that way

Riverdale (Nenagh) is on, so that will get tipp limerick and offaly, don't know about the rest.

Dromcill

Tipperman wrote: »

Ger

I will be playing Riverdale in Tipperary.. I have never been able to play it as it has always clashed. I haven't played there since Inter Co in 2000 and I really enjoy the course as it is easy enough when playing well....

I have a good record in Riverdale also so will be hoping to do well there..

Ballineen is on in Cork on Sat and with the Ladies Stroke on in Cork I would think a lot of them may stay down and watch that...

As Tipperman said, most of the Cork players will be playing in the Ballineen Scratch Cup on Saturday. They will be using this as practice for the Cork matchplay finals which take place in Ballineen the following weekend.

Wigertoods

Tipperman wrote: »

Off course they get cut.. They are winning a prize in a 54 O/A competition... Those are the rules... If an Inter of 4 comes 2nd or 3rd etc he will more than likely be noted etc....

Surely if an Inter or Junior was to win a grade prize in a Scr Cup he will be cut depending on whether he was 4 or 9.. Please tell me we have no bandits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not necessarily the case tipper.I've seen scr cups where there would be an Inter and Junior prize and yet only 10 people of that grade would have played.
Does this mean that because a junior/Inter can beat 10 people in his/her grade they should go a shot for it ?

Shark2

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Kingdom ur a busy man, im heading to lucan on saturday for the scotch (can 2 players play from a different club still) - then heading to McDonagh for 9, hopefuly then ill be back if not our captains prize is on in the club so have to fall back on

Hitman, if you're going to McDonagh you'll need to stay for more than 9 - Scotch on there all week as well

Wigertoods

Kingdom wrote: »

(ok maybe not Collins), Still!

God be with the day's Kingdom :D

Kingdom

Wigertoods wrote: »

God be with the day's Kingdom :D

Listen man I feel I've aged 10 years in the last decade!

Kingdom

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K.