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Proud to be Irish

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    #32
    Kintarō Hattori
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    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    Anyway there is no question mark in my OP so keep the negativity for a different thread.

    So only those who agree with you can reply in this thread? You started a thread on a public forum.
    gurramok wrote: »
    Ah here we go, pc types claw out from the woodwork to attack you for being proud were your from!:eek:

    I'm far from being PC. It's all well and good to be proud of who you are and where you've come from but with so much emmigration and the ease of travel we are starting to see a global identity emerging and I believe that nationalism can be an obstacle in the road to a better way of thinking and social outlook. Look at Ireland in the last 10 years, we have so many other cultures here now and it's changed beyond more than anyone could have imagined. It's part of the bigger global identity that I mentioned.
    faceman wrote: »
    i didnt 100% agree with eo980 but we are more and more seeing in the world how your national identity is becoming less and less important on a macro level. Look for example at what we as a nation have gained from being a member of the EU.

    Its fine to be proud of where we are from but that shouldnt make us better (or worse) than anyone else

    All I'm saying really is nationalism and pride are fine but it shouldn't stop you from looking at something great. Just look at the thread's that get started often on AH about foreigners with the amount of people who are annoyed because they aren't from here, don't eat our food, don't socialise like us. These people give out because foreign people aren't like us and don't act like us. They don't see that things are changing and hopefully for the better because they are blinded partially by nationalism and pride.


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    MagicMarker
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    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    Came across the original Riverdance clip from Eurovision '94, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Mc03_rlWo

    proud to be Irish is all i can say.

    So....

    what makes you proud to be Irish? Anything you want, person, place, event, thing, food, drink... yore ma(mmy) even!! Positivity please!
    Just watched that clip.. Why can't RTE do anything like that today? Everything in that Clip was perfect, the performance, the sound production, the camera work.

    It's all gone to shíte now.


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    #35
    Mr. CooL ICE
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    @eo980 - I think you're getting mixed up between national pride and patriotism. There's a thin line between the two, patriotism being the worse (IMO), as it can be associated with racism, etc. National pride... well it doesn't really need explanation.

    I'm extremely proud to be Irish. I can't really explain it, but wherever I end up in life, be it moving abroad or whatever, I will never forget where I came from.


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    faceman
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    LordChessington wrote: »
    @eo980 - I think you're getting mixed up between national pride and patriotism. There's a thin line between the two, patriotism being the worse (IMO), as it can be associated with racism, etc. National pride... well it doesn't really need explanation.

    [hits nail on head]
    wrote:
    I'm extremely proud to be Irish. I can't really explain it, but wherever I end up in life, be it moving abroad or whatever, I will never forget where I came from.

    But is anyone from any nation ever not?


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    Mr. CooL ICE
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    faceman wrote: »
    But is anyone from any nation ever not?
    Aaahhh, good point. I wasn't really talking in the amnesia sense of forgetting, but rather 'hiding' your heritage. It doesn't really apply as much to national now that I think of it, but I was kinda thinking about a mate of mine who always takes the piss out of his mother, as her own father was a settled traveller and she is ashamed of it, to say the least.


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    #38
    shane86
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    faceman wrote: »
    But is anyone from any nation ever not?

    Sometimes.

    Polish workmate was telling me about his Czech housemates. They speak English to each other, intend to stay here forever and basically think the homeland is a kip. I think some countries are prouder than others, and we are a proud one.
    Requiem4adream wrote: »
    Came across the original Riverdance clip from Eurovision '94, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Mc03_rlWo

    LOL :D In fits of laughter at this, I was in Coppers (ugh, I know) a few months back in a right state with a pile of yank birds from my mates college giving it loads to that tune :eek::eek: I watched some documentary where someone claimed that performance had given this country the kick up the arse it needed to revital;ise its economy :confused:

    Then again, Rockys speech after defeating your man in Moscow pretty much brought about the fall of communism so who knows.....


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    #39
    dlofnep
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    I'm proud for a number of reasons. We overcame struggle during the famine - the struggle of immigration into the US where we turned their opinion from treating us like dogs into today's scene where everyone and their grandmother is "Irish".

    We overcame struggle from imperialist Britain and despite their consistent attempts to oppress and colonize us, we fought to the tooth and nail. Not only in 1916 but the civil rights marches in Derry where we opposed the inequalities of Catholics. Where 10 brave men gave their lifes for their rights - once again - to stand up against the British oppressive machine in 1981.

    Infact, it's been a common trait throughout our history that we've overcome many different struggles. But as a people, I'm proud that we've maintained an identity, through music, language and culture.. It's fun living in Ireland and being Irish. We are the envy of many and disliked by few.

    I'm glad to have been born here and will spend the rest of my days here.


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    #40
    Requiem4adream
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    eo980 wrote: »
    So only those who agree with you can reply in this thread? You started a thread on a public forum.

    The thread is asking what makes you proud to be Irish. If that answer for you is "nothing" or "not proud" or anything like that, why bother replying to it. I'm in no way interested in hearing of the million and one things people feel are wrong with this country to not make you proud of it.

    Watching the clip of Riverdance from the Eurovision, the imagination, talent, skill, energy, vibrance, the majestic solo from Katie McMahon, everything that went into that breathtaking 7 mins are the kind of things to be proud of.

    Anyway keep the positivity coming :)


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    #41
    Dudess
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    Pigman II wrote: »
    Nothing really. It's just a place where I was born. There's lots of good stuff here but it's not as tho I'm actually 'proud' of it.
    +1. It doesn't make sense to me to be proud of being Irish just because I was born here - I could have been born in France. It's just an accident of birth - not an achievement. That said, I do get kinda teary when I hear stories of Irish people who emigrated to the States with nothing and made great lives for themselves, despite experiencing great hardship.
    mike65 wrote: »
    This should be really good by page 4.

    Mike.
    DesF wrote: »
    Shut up Englishman, and get out of this thread!


    :p
    I think Englishmen are sexeh!
    eo980 wrote: »
    I think we need to drop all this proud to be 'xxx' crap. The world is slowly changing and borders are disappearing. We should concentrate on being better human beings.
    Agreed.
    Pride and nationalism breed racisim and hate and it isn't a good thing.
    True, but to be fair, not all nationalism is extreme. Some forms of nationalism are quite benign - e.g. supporting your national football team during the World Cup. But if that team happens to be England and it's beaten by Germany and you go out and smash up a load of Volkswagons and torture a load of German shepherds, then that's not so good.


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    #42
    dlofnep
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    Requiem - naturally alot of people on here are cynical, sarky people with anger built up inside and they like to vent it on threads like this.

    It's brilliant being Irish. I have a cool accent, I get to see viking towers when I go into tower.. My lungs aren't polluted with smog.. The sound of the rain is soothing.. I don't get sunburnt. I don't have to worry about hurricanes, snakes, crocodiles, killer spiders, tornados, earthquakes, malaria, poverty, war and everything else that makes a country unlivable. I love my culture, the music, the language - it all fascinates me.

    As for anyone suggesting that there is no need to be proud of where we're from.. YAWN. Variety in cultures is what makes it interesting to visit foreign countries.. If we didn't have this variety, earth would be as dull as a sunday mass. The earth will never be United - it's an inconceiveable possibility - so while we have the opportunity to respect and express our culture - we should.


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    faceman
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    As for anyone suggesting that there is no need to be proud of where we're from.. YAWN. Variety in cultures is what makes it interesting to visit foreign countries.. If we didn't have this variety, earth would be as dull as a sunday mass. The earth will never be United - it's an inconceiveable possibility - so while we have the opportunity to respect and express our culture - we should.

    2 things.

    1) i take offence to you calling sunday mass dull even though i dont go often

    2) re the earth being united, they used to say that about: (a) ireland and (b) europe.


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    Dudess
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Requiem - naturally alot of people on here are cynical, sarky people with anger built up inside and they like to vent it on threads like this.

    It's brilliant being Irish. I have a cool accent, I get to see viking towers when I go into tower.. My lungs aren't polluted with smog.. The sound of the rain is soothing.. I don't get sunburnt. I don't have to worry about hurricanes, snakes, crocodiles, killer spiders, tornados, earthquakes, malaria, poverty, war and everything else that makes a country unlivable. I love my culture, the music, the language - it all fascinates me.

    As for anyone suggesting that there is no need to be proud of where we're from.. YAWN. Variety in cultures is what makes it interesting to visit foreign countries.. If we didn't have this variety, earth would be as dull as a sunday mass. The earth will never be United - it's an inconceiveable possibility - so while we have the opportunity to respect and express our culture - we should.
    None of the above explains why you'd be proud to be Irish though. Plenty of things there to be glad of and to appreciate, but why proud?


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    dlofnep
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    faceman wrote: »
    2 things.
    1) i take offence to you calling sunday mass dull even though i dont go often

    I consider it dull. Whether you do or not is of no concern of mine.
    faceman wrote: »
    2) re the earth being united, they used to say that about: (a) ireland and (b) europe.

    Yeah, good luck with that. Get back to me in 1000 years when Earth is still as divided as ever.

    Dudess wrote: »
    None of the above explains why you'd be proud to be Irish though. Plenty of things there to be glad of and to appreciate, but why proud?

    Yes it does explain it - All those values (the culture, music, language) and the values I posted previously (the amount we've overcome as people) make me immensely proud to be Irish. Who are you to question what makes me feel "proud" and what doesn't?

    We all know you hold no sentiments to being Irish. You're in no position to question what makes someone feel one way and what doesn't. It's freedom of choice, and as human beings we are prone to feeling certain ways to different things. For me? Being Irish makes me proud. If that concept is a little hard for you to deal with, I suggest you forget trying to even begin to debate it with me. There is nothing to debate. It's like debating why someone likes a specific music genre and you don't.. They like the genre, as I like being Irish.


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    #46
    Dudess
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    I consider it dull. Whether you do or not is of no concern of mine.



    Yeah, good luck with that. Get back to me in 1000 years when Earth is still as divided as ever.




    Yes it does explain it - All those values (the culture, music, language) and the values I posted previously (the amount we've overcome as people) make me immensely proud to be Irish. Who are you to question what makes me feel "proud" and what doesn't?

    We all know you hold no sentiments to being Irish. You're in no position to question what makes someone feel one way and what doesn't. It's freedom of choice, and as human beings we are prone to feeling certain ways to different things. For me? Being Irish makes me proud. If that concept is a little hard for you to deal with, I suggest you forget trying to even begin to debate it with me. There is nothing to debate. It's like debating why someone likes a specific music genre and you don't.. They like the genre, as I like being Irish.
    I like being Irish too, but there's a difference between that and being PROUD of being Irish. And if your pride in being Irish stems from the struggle of Irish people for independence, how come you have so much disdain for the catholic mass? Wasn't their catholicism of utmost importance to them in forging their identity?
    I also have much respect for the Irish men and women who fought an oppressive imperialist state, but not because of the fact that they were Irish, because of the fact that they stood up to an imperialist state.


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    Steyr
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    I'm proud for a number of reasons. We overcame struggle during the famine - the struggle of immigration into the US where we turned their opinion from treating us like dogs into today's scene where everyone and their grandmother is "Irish"

    Totally Agree.


    dlofnep wrote: »
    We overcame struggle from imperialist Britain and despite their consistent attempts to oppress and colonize us, we fought to the tooth and nail.

    Totally agree, they are the Original Óglaigh na hÉireann and are also the founders of todays Óglaigh na hÉireann The Defence Forces of Ireland, made up of the Army Navy and Air Corps who have a proud tradition of Peacekeeping and Saving lives and making a difference wherever they go and for that i am truly proud.

    dlofnep wrote: »
    Not only in 1916 but the civil rights marches in Derry where we opposed the inequalities of Catholics. Where 10 brave men gave their lifes for their rights - once again - to stand up against the British oppressive machine in 1981.

    Totally disagree, im my eyes those "freedom fighters" were and always will be terroroists, i dont want anything to do with that mess, the UK can keep it for all i care or better still cut it off from Ireland and let them establish their own Nation, the Brits dont want them either.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    Infact, it's been a common trait throughout our history that we've overcome many different struggles. But as a people, I'm proud that we've maintained an identity, through music, language and culture.. It's fun living in Ireland and being Irish. We are the envy of many and disliked by few.

    Totally agree.


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    dlofnep
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    Dudess wrote: »
    I like being Irish too, but there's a difference between that and being PROUD of being Irish.
    Dudess wrote: »
    And if your pride in being Irish stems from the struggle of Irish people for independence, how come you have so much disdain for the catholic mass? Wasn't their catholicism of utmost importance to them in forging their identity?

    Firstly - I didn't express any disdain for catholic mass. I said it was dull. There is a big difference. Your arguments are getting dreadfully weak here..

    Secondly - are you suggesting that in order for me to be proud of past irish accomplishments over oppression - I have to also be proud of catholicism? That's laughable. Everything that I have previously mentioned does not require a correlation with catholicism.
    Dudess wrote: »
    I also have much respect for the Irish men and women who fought an oppressive imperialist state, but not because of the fact that they were Irish, because of the fact that they stood up to an imperialist state.

    Well.. unfortunately for you - they were Irish.. They were our great grandfathers, our great grand-uncles.. Our very own people. If that's not something to be proud of - what is?

    You're trying to understand how someone can feel proud of their country when you can't. Well, don't try to understand it. All there is to understand is that I'm proud to be Irish. I'm proud that when I abroad, someone hears my accent and says "You're Irish!" - I'm proud of everything we have achieved as a country and as a people. I'm proud of our identity. I could go on and on - but why bother? It's like explaining math to a wall.


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    dlofnep
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    Steyr, I respect your opinion we're not obliged to agree on everything. Thanks for your agreement on the other points however.


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    Dudess
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Firstly - I didn't express any disdain for catholic mass. I said it was dull. There is a big difference. Your arguments are getting dreadfully weak here..

    Secondly - are you suggesting that in order for me to be proud of past irish accomplishments over oppression - I have to also be proud of catholicism? That's laughable. Everything that I have previously mentioned does not require a correlation with catholicism.
    It was an integral part of their identity. You even mentioned the catholics in the north who spearheaded the civil rights movement.
    Well.. unfortunately for you - they were Irish.. They were our great grandfathers, our great grand-uncles.. Our very own people. If that's not something to be proud of - what is?
    They happened to be Irish - they could have been Spanish. Bottom line is, you don't really have any explanation for why you're proud of being Irish - you just are. Fair enough. I was just wondering if you had an explanation.


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    Steyr
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Steyr, I respect your opinion we're not obliged to agree on everything. Thanks for your agreement on the other points however.

    Thank you Sir.


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    dlofnep
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    Dudess wrote: »
    It was an integral part of their identity. You even mentioned the catholics in the north who spearheaded the civil rights movement.

    And what point are you trying to prove? Are you suggesting that I have to be Catholic to be proud of being Irish? Are you suggesting that unless I agree with every single nuance in our culture or past culture - I'm not allowed to hold pride towards my country? Laughable.

    Re: Derry Civil Rights - To be fair, it had more to do with the fact that they were conveniently categorised - rather than being catholic. They were oppressed because they fell into this category. But that still doesn't explain why I'm not allowed be proud to be Irish because I find Sunday Mass boring. Your arguments are terrible.
    Dudess wrote: »
    They happened to be Irish - they could have been Spanish. Bottom line is, you don't really have any explanation for why you're proud of being Irish - you just are. Fair enough. I was just wondering if you had an explanation.

    I do have an explanation and I have expressed it to you countless times. You are just to ignorant to even listen. I'm not repeating them. Have you honestly even read a word I said? What do you want me to say - All these feelings of sentiment towards our culture and accomplishments as people triggers a chemical reaction in my brain which gives me a feeling of pride?

    I'm proud to be Irish, I have explained why. It's really not that hard to see. Stop wasting my time with asinine questions that I have already answered.


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    Dudess
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    And what point are you trying to prove? Are you suggesting that I have to be Catholic to be proud of being Irish? Are you suggesting that unless I agree with every single nuance in our culture or past culture - I'm not allowed to hold pride towards my country? Laughable.
    Re: Derry Civil Rights - To be fair, it had more to do with the fact that they were conveniently categorised - rather than being catholic. They were oppressed because they fell into this category. But that still doesn't explain why I'm not allowed be proud to be Irish because I find Sunday Mass boring. Your arguments are terrible.
    I'm saying it's hypocritical of you not to have respect for catholicism because it is an integral part of the version of Irishness you're proud of. Do you vote Sinn Féin?
    I do have an explanation and I have expressed it to you countless times. You are just to ignorant to even listen. I'm not repeating them. Have you honestly even read a word I said? What do you want me to say - All these feelings of sentiment towards our culture and accomplishments as people triggers a chemical reaction in my brain which gives me a feeling of pride?

    I'm proud to be Irish, I have explained why. It's really not that hard to see. Stop wasting my time with asinine questions that I have already answered.
    Yes I have read your posts. I don't feel it's anything to be proud of just because you happen to be born here. I think pride is only something that should be felt on the back of achievements.
    Tell me, were you ashamed to be Irish when that bomb went off in Omagh?


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    Requiem4adream
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    Dudess wrote: »
    I'm saying it's hypocritical of you not to have respect for catholicism because it is an integral part of the version of Irishness you're proud of. Do you vote Sinn Féin?

    Yes I have read your posts. I don't feel it's anything to be proud of just because you happen to be born here. I think pride is only something that should be felt on the back of achievements.
    Tell me, were you ashamed to be Irish when that bomb went off in Omagh?

    Who he votes for is his own business. Let's not derail this thread please.... It's christmas time, in that spirit i'm just looking for people's positive feelings on Ireland, what makes you proud to be Irish. Like i said, if you're not proud then that's fine but no need to post anything negative.

    This isnt a "proud to be irish?" thread. You could list millions of negative factors,people,events etc that every country has that would detract from it but it's for a different thread. I was pretty clear in OP - positivity only!


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    dlofnep
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    Dudess wrote: »
    I'm saying it's hypocritical of you not to have respect for catholicism because it is an integral part of the version of Irishness you're proud of. Do you vote Sinn Féin?

    No, it's not hypocritical. Who I vote for is none of your business. And I don't get where you are getting the whole respect thing from.. I said I find Sunday mass boring. Am I not allowed to voice my opinion without being preached to be the thought police? And it's not an integral part of the Irishness I'm proud of. I highlighted what I was proud of. Catholicism wasn't one of them.
    Dudess wrote: »
    Yes I have read your posts. I don't feel it's anything to be proud of just because you happen to be born here. I think pride is only something that should be felt on the back of achievements.
    Tell me, were you ashamed to be Irish when that bomb went off in Omagh?

    I don't care what you feel. It's about what I feel. And I feel pride. Is that too hard for you to deal with? It appears so. You've become obsessed with trying to prove that I someone infact don't have any pride for my country.. I find it amusing.

    And no - I wasn't ashamed to be Irish when the Omagh bomb went off. Why would I be? Did entire collective of Ireland set off the bomb? What has Omagh to do with anything anyway? And what has Sinn Fein to do with anything?

    If you were attempting to ask me if I felt sorry or sympathy to the families of Omagh - Why of course I did. But I'm still not sure what that has to do with the said topic. Can you stay on topic please? Unless you are trying to suggest something - if so, spit it out instead of pandering around some obvious agenda you have. I'm keen to know whatever point it is you are trying to make.


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    Dudess
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Did entire collective of Ireland set off the bomb?
    And therein lies my point. I don't understand why a person would be proud of their nationality because it's not as if it's something they have achieved. If you're proud of being Irish because of something positive achieved by an Irish person, by the same token shouldn't you be ashamed of something destructive carried out by an Irish person in the name of Irish people?
    The anti-Irish attitudes of certain British people in the 70s because of the IRA's campaign was disgusting - all Irish people were made to feel accountable simply because they were Irish. Irish people shouldn't feel ashamed to be Irish because of the atrocities of the republican movement, but the same applies to, say, Riverdance or whatever - it's illogical to feel pride in that simply because you have nationality in common with the person who put it together.


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    Bob in Belfast
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    Dudess wrote: »
    And therein lies my point. I don't understand why a person would be proud of their nationality because it's not as if it's something they have achieved. If you're proud of being Irish because of something positive achieved by an Irish person, by the same token shouldn't you be ashamed of something destructive carried out by an Irish person in the name of Irish people?
    The anti-Irish attitudes of certain British people in the 70s because of the IRA's campaign was disgusting - all Irish people were made to feel accountable simply because they were Irish. Irish people shouldn't feel ashamed to be Irish because of the atrocities of the republican movement, but the same applies to, say, Riverdance or whatever - it's illogical to feel pride in that simply because you have nationality in common with the person who put it together.

    Were you in Britain during the 70's?
    I don't think you were so you don't really know what you're talking about.


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    gurramok
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    Jayzus, here we go with negativity with religion thrown in now.
    My grandparents were prods on my dads side and catholic on my mothers side. They all fought either through the ballot box and in the subsequent the war of independence for our small country to get its long awaited freedom.
    Some people here can't distinguish between politics and culture, down with the begrudgers!


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    Dudess
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    It's pretty well known that there was widespread anti-Irishness in Britain in the 70s due to atrocities carried out by the republican movement - what's wrong with me saying that?


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    gurramok
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    Dudess wrote: »
    And therein lies my point. I don't understand why a person would be proud of their nationality because it's not as if it's something they have achieved. If you're proud of being Irish because of something positive achieved by an Irish person, by the same token shouldn't you be ashamed of something destructive carried out by an Irish person in the name of Irish people?
    The anti-Irish attitudes of certain British people in the 70s because of the IRA's campaign was disgusting - all Irish people were made to feel accountable simply because they were Irish. Irish people shouldn't feel ashamed to be Irish because of the atrocities of the republican movement, but the same applies to, say, Riverdance or whatever - it's illogical to feel pride in that simply because you have nationality in common with the person who put it together.

    Hold on a min, the anti-Irish attitudes were there long before any troubles in the north surfaced in the late 60's.
    The no dogs, no black, no irish thing was quite common in the 50's.

    By your logic, every american should be ashamed of their nationality because of Bush, every Brit should be ashamed because of Iraq, every French person should be ashamed because of nuclear testing, every German should be ashamed because of Hitler, every Italian because of Mussolini, every Palestinian because of Hamas.....in that case every nationality on the planet should be ashamed of their heritage because of decisions of their govts.

    News is that one has to distinguish between politics and culture, you've failed to distinguish between them when recanting 'proud of nationality'.


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    Dudess
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    Oh for goodness' sake, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that NOBODY should be ashamed because of something that someone of the same nationality did, but by that logic, nobody should be PROUD of something that someone of the same nationality did.


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