Steorn again

patrickolee

its way past my bedtime... did they not know!

No more physical excitment for me tonight.

Kwekubo

There's a post from the Steorn team in their forum, saying that the web feed will go live tomorrow morning:

A test unit which was built yesterday in Kinetica, in the temporary lab we have set up. Once we had signed off on the final magnetic configurations we went to transfer this magnetic config to the display unit & casing on the exhibition floor.

Here they ran into some technical issues, firstly a problem with the bearings, which was fixed once identified. The next issue appears to be an environmental issue. We think possibly the temperature from the lighting system in the immediate area, but this has to be further assessed in the morning.

The current plan of action is to have a technical meeting in the morning and we will update you from there - we are planning to turn on the web streaming by lunch time so we can give you an ongoing update on progress (and you can see some stressed Engineers working in real-time, if it is not fixed by then!)

To say I have my doubts would be an understatement...

Thrill

Kwekubo wrote:

There's a post from the Steorn team in their forum, saying that the web feed will go live tomorrow morning:

To say I have my doubts would be an understatement...

It'll probably all be a bit of an anti-climax tomorrow. My earlier enthusiasm has dropped a bit.
There goes the promise of smaller energy bills for the moment.

Irish Gardener

Well, at least they got the footage of the problem they encountered tonight up on youtube quickly.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkWuM_vXIr8

Sam Vimes

Ice_Box wrote:

It’s true what McCarthy said. The reaction is almost religious. Why so much anger against this claim? Why accept the man made laws of thermodynamics as faith? Why is it not possible that the humans who wrote these laws made a mistake? Why does science invent something like Dark Matter instead of looking for a mistake in other calculations?

Conservation of Energy me árse as they whisper in Dublin.

0=0, always! 0 is never equal to anything except zero. you cannot get something from nothing. the energy is coming from somewhere.

the reaction is because they made this claim that goes against everything the experts say and then didn't attempt to prove anything and then hand picked the people who they allowed to "test it". those aren't the actions of scientists. those are the actions of scam artists

joe_chicken

Commander Vimes wrote:

0=0, always!

Not exactly true...

In fact a lot of the time 0 = The limit of ( x tending to infinity) (1 / x)

As has been pointed out, trying to use maths to prove this thing wrong is not wise. Maths only models what we know, there could be forces working on this that we don't know about. That's unlikely, but there could be.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

joe_chicken wrote:

Not exactly true...

In fact a lot of the time 0 = The limit of ( x tending to infinity) (1 / x)

As has been pointed out, trying to use maths to prove this thing wrong is not wise. Maths only models what we know, there could be forces working on this that we don't know about. That's unlikely, but there could be.

Oh I think that was the nerdiest serving I've ever seen!

joe_chicken

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote:

Oh I think that was the nerdiest serving I've ever seen!

Hmmm... maybe you're right, that was pretty nerdy (and probably wrong anyway)

SimpleSam06

Commander Vimes wrote:

you cannot get something from nothing.

The Higgs-Boson particle would like to object to that, assuming it exists...

Gator

Site having technical difficulties, stream wont go out until tonight;)

thewools

Gator wrote:

Site having technical difficulties, stream wont go out until tonight;)

tonight?? is that for definite??

AlmightyCushion

thewools wrote:

tonight?? is that for definite??

Yes...well until technical difficulties hamper that aswell.

griffdaddy

Commander Vimes wrote:

0=0, always! 0 is never equal to anything except zero. you cannot get something from nothing. the energy is coming from somewhere.

well how did the universe originate then? when did time start or has it always been there?

Stephen

What a bunch of bull5hit artists.

AlmightyCushion

Stephen wrote:

What a bunch of bull5hit artists.

Yeah it was bad up until this latest "hiccup". If they really had this product would they not want to show it to the whole world.

seamus

Commander Vimes wrote:

0=0, always! 0 is never equal to anything except zero. you cannot get something from nothing. the energy is coming from somewhere.

This is the problem with taking maths as an absolute.
While it's theoretical, saying the 0 = 1/x (as x approaches infinity) is just as valid as 0=0. You can't look at it black and white really. Take the square root of one for example: This is not a clearly defined number. It may be one of two possible values. You can never say for certainty that sqrt(1) = 1 or sqrt(1) = -1. In fact sqrt(1) is *both* -1 and 1 in the same way that 0 is also equal to those two possible values.

mjquinno

<-bandwagon

patrickolee

AlmightyCushion wrote:

Yeah it was bad up until this latest "hiccup". If they really had this product would they not want to show it to the whole world.

Patent law?

AlmightyCushion

patrickolee wrote:

Patent law?

I think someone said before that any one looking to patent a perpetual motion machine is instantly refused. So that isn't the case. But still maybe I should rephrase my statement. Would they not show it to the scientific community to validate their claims then patent it, then show it to the world.

Duggy747

AlmightyCushion wrote:

I think someone said before that any one looking to patent a perpetual motion machine is instantly refused. So that isn't the case. But still maybe I should rephrase my statement. Would they not show it to the scientific community to validate their claims then patent it, then show it to the world.

Cuz it's probably a new deodorant they're advertising off

joe_chicken

I'm just waiting for all the cat pictures with things like:

"I'm in your thermodynamics...
breakin all your rulez"

Irish Gardener

Some movement now
http://www.astream.com/live/steorn/camera4.html

judas101

they really wern't kidding when they said its be 'small scale'

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What is it supposed to be doing?

Duggy747

seansouth wrote:

What is it supposed to be doing?

looking pretty, I guess!

Crucifix

The video won't work for me. Anyone feel like taking a screenshot? Or just a vague description

judas101

its a perspex box with a little white contraption in it. cant see any real detail as only camera 4 is working for me.

theres a load of small desks and four computers around it with a few blokes messing around on them.

i wonder what the computers are for?

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Crucifix wrote:

The video won't work for me. Anyone feel like taking a screenshot? Or just a vague description

Only camera 3 is working for me.

Duggy747

Crucifix wrote:

The video won't work for me. Anyone feel like taking a screenshot? Or just a vague description

It's barely working for me, but on camera 4 you can see the stand but you can't make out what it is. On camera 1 it shows some perspex thing up close with an etched ring in the middle It looks like a Junior Cert Technology project.

seo-ireland

judas101 wrote:

i wonder what the computers are for?

Measurements purposes I presume. I bet they show a percentage of energy gained on one of them.