Steorn again

Gone West

rte.ie wrote:

An Irish company will today reveal controversial technology that allegedly defies basic laws of physics to produce free power.

Steorn, which is based in Dublin, claims to have discovered a method of creating clean, constant energy, which it claims could end the global fuel crisis.

Called Orbo technology, it is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and has yet to be conclusively proven or declared a hoax.

AdvertisementLast year, Steorn placed an advertisement in the Economist magazine and challenged the world's scientists to test its claims.

The company picked 22 of the world's leading scientists from Europe and the US for the review, which started in January and is not expected to be completed before the end of the year.

Steorn is contractually obliged to publish whatever the scientists conclude in full.

Today the invention will go on public display for the first time with a live working demonstration to be streamed on the internet from 6pm tonight.


Steorn Chief Executive Sean McCarthy has said the demonstration will involve a 'very simplified version' of the technology and it will be open to the public from Thursday 5 July to Friday 13 July at the Kinetica Museum at Spitalfields Market in London.

Sceptics can view the device lifting a weight from four different camera angles online.

Mr McCarthy said the company had decided against using the technology to illuminate a light-bulb as the use of wires would attract further suspicion from a scientific community that has already dismissed the device.

The company stumbled upon the technology while working with wind turbines to power remote surveillance CCTV cameras for ATM.

Steorn claims the so-called free energy would be able to power anything from mobile phones to cars, providing a potential solution to the global energy crisis.

Mr McCarthy revealed that if the technology is validated in scientific tests, the company plans to licence it over the internet to any company who wants it for 'a very small fee'.

[sleepys rule] "In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

So what ya reckon, who will be watching the webcast at 6PM?
engadget and wired as well as RTE carried this story today.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0704/steorn.html

Load of shíte, or will it revolutionise the way we power our lives?
Apparently you can see this "perpetual motion device" (jesus I feel so filthy just saying the words) in action from 4 angles lifting a weight tonight on the web.

Kinetic^

FuzzyLogic wrote:

who will be watching the webcast at 6PM?

I will defo be watching this, can't wait.

cornbb

It has to be a load of shíte, one way or the other.

I don't think a former marketing company in Dublin can debunk thousands of years of rock solid foolproof physics :rolleyes:

Thrill

I'll certainly be watching this earth shattering new device in action.:)

togster

Kenny 5 wrote:

I will defo be watching this, can't wait.

Me 2

judas101

there's already some discussion in the physics and chemisty forum but I'd like it to stay here for a bit to see what ppl have to say about it.

check my posts there.

Kinetic^

Even if it is a load of turd, let us hope that there is at least some nice female boobehs in the stream!!!

h8red

I'd like to watch it but I can't figure out where it's gonna be shown. The RTE website?

kmick

There is nothing on the Steorm website about this. Its all a bit shady looking. They don't tell us who the Jurors are or what progress they have made. Apparently an updated video shows one of the companies senior executives in London smoking a fag. Would any professional non-crazy CEO allow a video like this to be released to the Web in the form of an update. I think not...lets see.

I for one hope to God its true but to me it sounds like the email you get telling you if you forward it on Steve Jobs will send you an IPOD. You know its ****e but you do it anyway (once).

if it is true it could be the solution for Africas powerless and could mean an end to wars fought over oil. The possibilities are endless. Its mind blowing really. Please let it be true.

Crucifix

I won't bother watching. I'm sure they could easily fake it, and I'm sure it actually working would be fairly unverifiable over a stream. I'll wait until I'm using one to power my house to believe it. Or at the very least til some actual physicists are telling me it's the real deal.

Setun

From the archive, dated April 1st perhaps? I don't know, sounds highly ludicrous to me.

Duggy747

I smell bullshít! It's strange though that RTÉ are the only ones with this knowledge, not even Steorn have put up any notice on their site, Google shows nothing either. Quite strange for something that apparantley could be revolutionary!

Anywho, the news at 1 will be reporting it if it's happening

judas101

as i said over on the other forum, i think it may do what they say it will (life a mass) but i think the development involved to get enough power to run a car or power a house will see this theory disgarded.

magnets are the key component which is interesting as magnets are beginning to be looked into by many in the science community as a source of free energy so they may yet be onto something.

i would love to see them prove everybody wrong and it's be great for an irish company to come up with something really useful like this!

ill be watching anyways!

Gone West

I only post it here, as I read about it in the morning papers.
Lots of sites/news outlets recieved the press release from Steorn yesterday evening, not just RTE.

senordingdong

I would watch it but I'll be busy watching Die Hard.

judas101

senordingdong wrote:

I would watch it but I'll be busy watching Die Hard.

i have a feeling they'll be equally as disappointing

Caliden

Reminds me of the guy who said he discovered nuclear fusion in a bathtub.

5 euro says it fake, anyone wanna take me up on that bet?

togster

Caliden wrote:

Reminds me of the guy who said he discovered nuclear fusion in a bathtub.

5 euro says it fake, anyone wanna take me up on that bet?

I will think i owe you a fiver anyway.;)

senordingdong

judas101 wrote:

i have a feeling they'll be equally as disappointing

How fitting your name is Judas.


























Get out.

The amount of free energy scams based on magnets is so vast that worldwide patents based on these devices are refused point blank.

They are either scammers or they have overlooked experimental error. Either way they have already made Ireland the laughing stock of science.

judas101

Caliden wrote:

Reminds me of the guy who said he discovered nuclear fusion in a bathtub.

5 euro says it fake, anyone wanna take me up on that bet?

fake meaning what exactly?

it wont lift it? no power generation?

i predict it'll lift the mass as they say but will not prove its free enrgy.

perhaps a glorified electromagnet.

Miguel_Sanchez

"The end is nigh..... the end of low prices that is!"

Publicity stunt. I'd say they're going to start pushing themselves as a PR company and using this to gain attention.

Duggy747

senordingdong wrote:

I would watch it but I'll be busy watching Die Hard.

Ha ha, same as me too!

seamus

cornbb wrote:

I don't think a former marketing company in Dublin can debunk thousands of years of rock solid foolproof physics :rolleyes:

The only thing is that those principles aren't thousands of years old, a few hundred at best. So it's likely enough that someone can stumble onto something that our own laws overlooked.

However, I think I explained this before when this was posted way back. I don't believe that they necessarily have "free energy" in the perpetual motion sense. IIRC, the company themselves claimed that the device didn't contravene the laws of thermodynamics.

There are tonnes of energy sources on the planet that while not necessarily requiring any input or energy loss from our POV, don't steps on the laws of physics. Stuff like wind energy, wave energy, geothermal, etc, are all forms of "free energy", in that the only effort required on our part is to build the items to harness it. It's inexhaustable, generates relatively little waste and doesn't require the gathering of fuel to create it.

Our only problem thus far is harnessing these things hasn't proven overly efficient. We're just not that good at it. It's relatively wasteful to produce the devices to obtain the energy, when compared to oil, gas and nuclear energies. However, if we stumbled upon a way to convert these energies in an efficient manner, we'd be laughing.

While I'll remain skeptical, I don't think that their claims are overly "out there", they're certainly going to great lengths to prove this.

Thrill

Steorn Free Energy Generator Prototype


*Baffled*




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thrill

thrill wrote:

Steorn Free Energy Generator Prototype


*Baffled*




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Thats a fake. Somone put that video up there on feburary with that name.

Its nothing to do with Steorn.

judas101

^^ what was that supposed to prove?

that was just a simple loading device wasnt it?

*sigh*



EDIT: Fake? oh thank God!

Sofaspud

thrill wrote:

Steorn Free Energy Generator Prototype


*Baffled*




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What the hell was perpetual about that?

Thrill

Sofaspud wrote:

What the hell was perpetual about that?

Thats what i was wondering as well. Seems to be a fake though. I'm still hopeful that they really have come up with something.

AlmightyCushion

I hope that it turns out to be real but the odd way they are acting suggests otherwise. Could they not have let a load of scientists mess take a look at it and relate their findings to the scientific community.

seamus

seamus wrote:

The only thing is that those principles aren't thousands of years old, a few hundred at best. So it's likely enough that someone can stumble onto something that our own laws overlooked.

*sigh*

So one of the most proven laws in physics has been overlooked? So each law and theory which have been proven on the basis of this, and there are a lot of them, are technically incorrect too?

Each law that has been proven and used test the original laws is rubbish too?

The only thing that has been overlooked is Steorns crackpot machine. They are either scammers or idiots. But whatever the outcome there is no such thing as creating energy.
Ring any college's department of Physics and ask them about Steorn's invention. Make your judgement on how long they continue laughing.

judas101

ronoc wrote:

The only thing that has been overlooked is Steorns crackpot machine. They are either scammers or idiots.

you're setting yourself for a mighty fall






but probably not tho

judas101

judas101 wrote:

you're setting yourself for a mighty fall






but probably not tho

It will be the whole science community that will fall. But its not going to happen.

judas101

so you think it's going to fall flat on its arse?

i hope they dont make a national embarassment out of us!

Ice_Box

ronoc wrote:

*sigh*

So one of the most proven laws in physics has been overlooked? So each law and theory which have been proven on the basis of this, and there are a lot of them, are technically incorrect too?

Each law that has been proven and used test the original laws is rubbish too?

The only thing that has been overlooked is Steorns crackpot machine. They are either scammers or idiots. But whatever the outcome there is no such thing as creating energy.
Ring any college's department of Physics and ask them about Steorn's invention. Make your judgement on how long they continue laughing.

It’s true what McCarthy said. The reaction is almost religious. Why so much anger against this claim? Why accept the man made laws of thermodynamics as faith? Why is it not possible that the humans who wrote these laws made a mistake? Why does science invent something like Dark Matter instead of looking for a mistake in other calculations?

Conservation of Energy me árse as they whisper in Dublin.

cornbb

Ice_Box wrote:

It’s true what McCarthy said. The reaction is almost religious. Why so much anger against this claim? Why accept the man made laws of thermodynamics as faith? Why is it not possible that the humans who wrote these laws made a mistake? Why does science invent something like Dark Matter instead of looking for a mistake in other calculations?

Conservation of Energy me árse as they whisper in Dublin.

Its shocking that people are saying this! So you would take the word (i.e. PR spin, without any sort of concrete evidence or explanations) of a dodgy-sounding former marketing company in serious financial trouble over centuries of repeatedly observed and proven laws of nature? They are not man-made laws, they are completely out of our control.

Its like modern-day alchemy. Whatever Steorn are up to they are trying to attract attention, they've certainly succeeded in that

biko

If it's all it's cranked up to be I'll just catch it on the general news.

Ice_Box

Ice_Box wrote:

It’s true what McCarthy said. The reaction is almost religious. Why so much anger against this claim? Why accept the man made laws of thermodynamics as faith? Why is it not possible that the humans who wrote these laws made a mistake? Why does science invent something like Dark Matter instead of looking for a mistake in other calculations?

Conservation of Energy me árse as they whisper in Dublin.

Your grasp of science is a bit off I'm afraid.
*more sighing*
Dark Matter is a theory. There is a huge difference between a theory and a law. This Dark Matter theory has been invented, as you say, to try to tie together other theories.

Laws are theories that have been scientifically proven. They are not simply there to balance the math. They have been proven, repeated and reproven in different ways proven against other laws. The first law of thermodynamics is a law. Energy cannot be created or destroyed!

It is almost religious because:

They haven’t proven anything

They don't know how it works

They insist on a bizarre trial rather than scientific methods

They choose who gets to test it

They are claiming to break one of the most fundamental and proven laws in physics.

kevmy

Ice_Box wrote:

It’s true what McCarthy said. The reaction is almost religious. Why so much anger against this claim? Why accept the man made laws of thermodynamics as faith? Why is it not possible that the humans who wrote these laws made a mistake? Why does science invent something like Dark Matter instead of looking for a mistake in other calculations?

Conservation of Energy me árse as they whisper in Dublin.

Is it possible that humans (as opposed to the aliens) made mistakes in the calculations for thermodynamics. Yes.
Is it probable? No
Is it probable that these guys from Dublin prove them wrong? No
People don't accept thermodynamics by faith; they have done experiments, calibrations, test, mathematics - we call it science. Faith is something without real basis in fact that you accept anyway. Thermodynamics has proof behind it.
Why doesn't science invent something useful?
I see your sitting at a table with a pen and a paper sending messages to use through the mail ... oh wait your not!!
I see you flew to your sun holiday by riding on a dragon ... oh wait you didn't!!
I see that when you get sick you get a witch in to shake a stick over and rub some herbs on you ... oh wait you don't!!

And by the way Steorn haven't put out any calculations to debunk or find mistakes in.

zuutroy

They're nothing but marketing gimps. I cant believe how people here think its possible that MILLIONS of man hours of scientific research have overlooked something so basic.
I'm a researcher myself and its quite annoying to see these ****ehawks getting any air-time whatsoever.

judas101

ronoc wrote:

They haven’t proven anything

They don't know how it works

They insist on a bizarre trial rather than scientific methods

They choose who gets to test it

They are claiming to break one of the most fundamental and proven laws in physics.

all very interesting points.

i'm open to be shocked tho.

i want to believe!!!

daveirl

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Ice_Box

cornbb wrote:

Its shocking that people are saying this! So you would take the word (i.e. PR spin, without any sort of concrete evidence or explanations) of a dodgy-sounding former marketing company in serious financial trouble over centuries of repeatedly observed and proven laws of nature? They are not man-made laws, they are completely out of our control.

Its like modern-day alchemy. Whatever Steorn are up to they are trying to attract attention, they've certainly succeeded in that

I’m do not believe Steorn have actually developed a perpetual motion machine. I’m just surprised by the way so called scientists are getting so angry about their claims. It’s like the flat earth mentality.

Slow Motion

kmick wrote:

it sounds like the email you get telling you if you forward it on Steve Jobs will send you an IPOD. You know its ****e but you do it anyway (once).

You mean that's not true ? I've been bugging the postman for nothing

zuutroy

Ice_Box wrote:

It’s like the flat earth mentality.

Very good point, but I still think it's a load of tripe.

Ice_Box

Ice_Box wrote:

I’m do not believe Steorn have actually developed a perpetual motion machine. I’m just surprised by the way so called scientists are getting so angry about their claims. It’s like the flat earth mentality.

Except this time steorn is effectivly trying to tell us the world is flat.

All this without prooving it, explaining how it works or letting people look at it and test it independently.

bonkey

ronoc wrote:

Your grasp of science is a bit off I'm afraid.

As would yours appear to be.

Laws are theories that have been scientifically proven.

Nope.

Science can prove nothing. Falsifiability is the very core of modern science. If something is not falsifiable, it is not scientific. If something is proven then it cannot - by definition - be falsified.

Everything in modern science - from thermodynamics through gravity to quantum effects are all "just" theory. Not one of htem has been scientifically proven because the term is meaningless.

It is possible that Steorn have found a case that counters existing theory - in effect falsifying it. It is, however, not very probable. The manner in which Steorn have carried out their campaign to date makes it even less probable in the eues of the scientific community.

It is not, however, the scientific community that Steorn care about.

judas101

hmmmm good post^^

cornbb

Ice_Box wrote:

I’m do not believe Steorn have actually developed a perpetual motion machine. I’m just surprised by the way so called scientists are getting so angry about their claims. It’s like the flat earth mentality.

Scientists are getting angry because some tiny uppitty secretive company are making a mockery of their work. Scientists would be considered the sort to drag our collective consciousness away from "flat earth mentality" btw, not reinforce it.

zuutroy

bonkey wrote:

Science can prove nothing. Falsifiability is the very core of modern science. If something is not falsifiable, it is not scientific. If something is proven then it cannot - by definition - be falsified.

Sorry, I missed Philosophy 101. If science can't prove anything, then what can?

0ubliette

Whats the bet that the grand unveiling is a massive hamster wheel and an unlimited supply of hamsters.

science can prove nothing. Falsifiability is the very core of modern science. If something is not falsifiable, it is not scientific. If something is proven then it cannot - by definition - be falsified.

You Fail sir. Women are real right? Theyre proven? I can wear a dress and falsify myself as a moderatly attractive woman tho