Steorn again

Dord · 04-07-2007 06:22PM

oh and if you want to have a browse of Steorn's "closed" forum, it's http://www.steorn.com/forum

i basically just guessed the address, but its also easy to find via google.

Thrill · 04-07-2007 06:22PM

Irish Gardener wrote:

They are being powered by the free energy.

:D Class.

seamus · 04-07-2007 06:26PM

Catsmokinpot wrote:

so wont that in essence kill off the planet? i mean if it works, at first we wouldn't be using enough to be able to make an impact but once everyone starts using it it would siphon off the magnetosphere exposing us to huge bursts of radiation?

Us drawing energy from an energy source doesn't necessarily mean that we are doing it to our own detriment.

As an example, the sun essentially generates its own energy. It's a closed, stable fusion reaction, giving off immeasurable energy every millisecond. If we could efficiently harness even a fraction of what it gives out, we would have more than enough energy for the entire planet without having any kind of effect on the quantity of sunlight which reaches the planet.

Agamemnon · 04-07-2007 06:26PM

joe robot wrote:

nothing there yet except for a video stream of the london eye and some advert in the background.

Ah, but at 11 tonight that will be replaced by the sight of a mushroom cloud and fleets of invading spaceships that will pour through the rip in the magnetosphere and kill us all in revenge for our molestation of Mother Nature. It'll be more entertaining than Wimbledon anyway.

Dord · 04-07-2007 06:29PM

So basically if I got the jist of your post right.....Magneto and the X-men are going to come along and destroy the earth?! And it won't rain in Wimbledon for some reason?

hahaha

meglome · 04-07-2007 06:34PM

From the RTE story "The company stumbled upon the technology while working with wind turbines to power remote surveillance CCTV cameras for ATM."

The guy they were working for to make this device for ATM's is a friend of mine. I have never seen this device myself but have asked my friend about it. He's a smart guy so when he tells me it really works then I've got to take this seriously. Could they be potentially be fooling him, I suppose so, but he believe it works. So where I would have been incredulous I'm taking it seriously.

Dr_Teeth · 04-07-2007 06:51PM

I suppose it's not impossible that it works, but everything they've done so far points to it being a load of crap. If I invented something like that I'd make a production version and start flogging them to everyone on the planet. I wouldn't bother my arse spending a year trying to convince a bunch of scientists, or doing demonstrations like this.. I'd just sell them. Either it works or it doesn't.

Catsmokinpot · 04-07-2007 06:58PM

seamus wrote:

Us drawing energy from an energy source doesn't necessarily mean that we are doing it to our own detriment.

As an example, the sun essentially generates its own energy. It's a closed, stable fusion reaction, giving off immeasurable energy every millisecond. If we could efficiently harness even a fraction of what it gives out, we would have more than enough energy for the entire planet without having any kind of effect on the quantity of sunlight which reaches the planet.

problem with that is that you wouldn't just be using the magnetic energy you would be converting that energy into electrical energy, in essence removing it. thats one of the laws of thermodynamics.

its like siphoning petrol from a petrol tank, if you do that there's no fuel going into the engine and the engine stops doing what it was meant to do.

Thrill · 04-07-2007 06:59PM

This unveiling is really small scale for something that should be of worldwide importance. Something on the scale of when those seven or so scientist made the announcement of finding evidence that microscopic life once existed on mars a few years back is whats needed.

A bleedin web cam type unveiling is about as small time as you can get really.

meglome · 04-07-2007 06:59PM

Dr_Teeth wrote:

I suppose it's not impossible that it works, but everything they've done so far points to it being a load of crap. If I invented something like that I'd make a production version and start flogging them to everyone on the planet. I wouldn't bother my arse spending a year trying to convince a bunch of scientists, or doing demonstrations like this.. I'd just sell them. Either it works or it doesn't.

I asked about that. My friend said that they are engineers and not scientists. They came across this by mistake so they need to show why it works not just that it works. Anyway that's what he told me.

Any maybe they are just nice people

Duckjob · 04-07-2007 07:04PM

seamus wrote:

Us drawing energy from an energy source doesn't necessarily mean that we are doing it to our own detriment.

As an example, the sun essentially generates its own energy. It's a closed, stable fusion reaction, giving off immeasurable energy every millisecond. If we could efficiently harness even a fraction of what it gives out, we would have more than enough energy for the entire planet without having any kind of effect on the quantity of sunlight which reaches the planet.

...or you could just take the evil route and go for a "Mr Burns" style Sun-Blocker

I just don't believe that this statement...
"Energy is neither created nor destroyed - it just changes from one form to another"
...is not true.

I'm thinking that their device is has to be drawing the energy is produces from somewhere else. It just has to...

Also, supposing the energy is 'created' out of nothing, then used for our conventional uses, during which we know it doesnt get destroyed, just converted into other forms. Supposing everyone on the planet were using Steorn devices to 'create' new energy. Would we end up in 100 years with some sort of nuclear explosion because of energy overload ?

Ice_Box · 04-07-2007 07:17PM

Duckjob wrote:

...or you could just take the evil route and go for a "Mr Burns" style Sun-Blocker

I just don't believe that this statement...
"Energy is neither created nor destroyed - it just changes from one form to another"
...is not true.

I'm thinking that their device is has to be drawing the energy is produces from somewhere else. It just has to...

Also, supposing the energy is 'created' out of nothing, then used for our conventional uses, during which we know it doesnt get destroyed, just converted into other forms. Supposing everyone on the planet were using Steorn devices to 'create' new energy. Would we end up in 100 years with some sort of nuclear explosion because of energy overload ?

Could it be converting matter to energy?

Or maye using the earths rotation? Using the earths rotation could cause the earth to slow and drift into the sun. (Im kidding)

Uuuh Patsy · 04-07-2007 07:22PM

Duckjob wrote:

...or you could just take the evil route and go for a "Mr Burns" style Sun-Blocker

I just don't believe that this statement...
"Energy is neither created nor destroyed - it just changes from one form to another"
...is not true.

I'm thinking that their device is has to be drawing the energy is produces from somewhere else. It just has to...

Also, supposing the energy is 'created' out of nothing, then used for our conventional uses, during which we know it doesnt get destroyed, just converted into other forms. Supposing everyone on the planet were using Steorn devices to 'create' new energy. Would we end up in 100 years with some sort of nuclear explosion because of energy overload ?

Well I think it very presumptious of people to assume that; because something is deemed to break our laws of physics; its not possible. There is one thing that is definite, in 1000 years from now our ancestors will be physcicly laughing amongst the galatic empire at our neantertal understanding of the universe. As long as we keep saying that it will never happen because it can't happen, then we will probably end up poking fun and rediculing the preverbial gift horse.

daveirl · 04-07-2007 07:47PM

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patrickolee · 04-07-2007 07:56PM

It'd be cool executive toy though... much better than those damn bouncing balls!

Catsmokinpot · 04-07-2007 08:34PM

Ice_Box wrote:

Could it be converting matter to energy?

Or maye using the earths rotation? Using the earths rotation could cause the earth to slow and drift into the sun. (Im kidding)

its a very simple idea, its not converting matter to energy or energy to matter its tapping into the magnetic field of the earth and drawing energy from that.

its highly unfeasible id say

Uuuh Patsy wrote:

Well I think it very presumptious of people to assume that; because something is deemed to break our laws of physics; its not possible. There is one thing that is definite, in 1000 years from now our ancestors will be physcicly laughing amongst the galatic empire at our neantertal understanding of the universe. As long as we keep saying that it will never happen because it can't happen, then we will probably end up poking fun and rediculing the preverbial gift horse.

this power source (if it is one) is not breaking any laws of physics, but its not free energy its drawing it from somewhere.

there are a few laws of physics, they aren't just called ideas or theories they are laws, there are the laws of thermodynamics, which cannot be broken.

example:

the law of gravity for instance it isn't called the theory of gravity or the educated guess of gravity its called the law of gravity. you don't jump up in the air and hope that you come down.... you know that you will come down

bonkey · 04-07-2007 09:49PM

Catsmokinpot wrote:

there are a few laws of physics, they aren't just called ideas or theories they are laws, there are the laws of thermodynamics, which cannot be broken.

I've already explained this is wrong.

example:

the law of gravity for instance it isn't called the theory of gravity or the educated guess of gravity its called the law of gravity.

Actually, its called the theory of gravity. Strangely enough, thats what it is. Its a theory.

The nomenclature of "Law" harks back to an era before modern science and its continued use is more of an anachronism than anything else.

you don't jump up in the air and hope that you come down.... you know that you will come down

No, you believe. You can have relative-but-not-absolute surity. You do not know.

One of the points underlying String / -brane / p- Theory was that gravity had not been reliably confirmed at scales below approximately 1mm, nor at intergalactic scales (obviously). It is assumed to hold at these scales. There is evidence to suggest that it does, but its not entirely conclusive.

Its a theory. The "laws" of physics are all theories, and each and every single one of them can be wrong.

Kinetic^ · 04-07-2007 09:51PM

It all sounds like something out of the matrix tbh........Neo, you must believe

seamus · 04-07-2007 10:49PM

Catsmokinpot wrote:

problem with that is that you wouldn't just be using the magnetic energy you would be converting that energy into electrical energy, in essence removing it. thats one of the laws of thermodynamics.

Yeah, but otherwise what would that magnetic energy be doing (serious question)?

In the same way that solar panels convert sunlight to energy, this may convert magnetic energy to electrical energy with no net effect. The effect of a solar panel is that it stops a negligible part of the earth's from being heated by the sun's rays. Perhaps this device just converts magnetic energy that would otherwise have just dissipated, or that wouldn't really be all that missed. The earth's magnetic field is generated, it's not static. So to assume that this machine is dangerous is to assume that it can suck out every milliwatt of energy generated by the earth.