Loyalist groups to march in Dublin

the_menace

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

If people want to see your first post, they can check out this link:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=50530650#post50530650

You say and I quote:



Of course you're not bigoted at all are you?!

By the way the above sentence is an example of sarcasm without resorting to a sarcastic smilie.

Why don't you try and justify the above comments you made? I can't wait to hear this!

Read what I said again without highlighting the parts that suit you. Oh, and feel free to share your opinions with us at any time rather than trolling and talking absolute rubbish. As far as I'm concerned, any person who feels that the citizens of one country should be allowed to organise protests in another en masse is a complete idiot. So I'd really like to hear some more tangible arguments from you regarding why we should foot the bill for this - other than "get a clue, it won't cost us much" or such moronic tripe. Either that, or pipe down.

fly_agaric

the_menace wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, any person who feels that the citizens of one country should be allowed to organise protests in another en masse is a complete idiot.

But it has happened here before. The falun-gong heads protest each time some bigwig from China visits. I very much doubt that many of the falug-gongers are Irish citizens or would even want citizenship here. The loveulster crowd can have such citizenship if they desire

Freelancer

Mr Nice guy;

Never have I met a postered who's argument mainly consists of "talking up" his own posts (ie "I am making a good point") while belittling the posts of others (ie "you're really struggling" "start making sense") leaving aside how incredibly patronising and arrogant this kind of behaviour is; you are not the adjucatory of this debate, and dismissing the points of other posters, while announcing your argument is superior is childish and not in the spirit of debating.

Furthermore you are engaging in semantic nitpicking (ie "how would they drain our resources, we're doing alright financialy" clearly the poster meant "a drain" not completely drain)

Theres something deeply troubling about someone who has to advertise that they are a "nice guy" while acting in such a boorish conscending and arrogant manner.

the_menace

fly_agaric wrote:

But it has happened here before. The falun-gong heads protest each time some bigwig from China visits. I very much doubt that many of the falug-gongers are Irish citizens or would even want citizenship here. The loveulster crowd can have such citizenship if they desire

It's a completely different matter. The Chinese protesting here would either have been a) citizen or b) residents paying taxes - most of them anyway. Completely incomprable.

the_menace

Freelancer wrote:

Mr Nice guy;

Never have I met a postered who's argument mainly consists of "talking up" his own posts (ie "I am making a good point") while belittling the posts of others (ie "you're really struggling" "start making sense") leaving aside how incredibly patronising and arrogant this kind of behaviour is; you are not the adjucatory of this debate, and dismissing the points of other posters, while announcing your argument is superior is childish and not in the spirit of debating.

Furthermore you are engaging in semantic nitpicking (ie "how would they drain our resources, we're doing alright financialy" clearly the poster meant "a drain" not completely drain)

Theres something deeply troubling about someone who has to advertise that they are a "nice guy" while acting in such a boorish conscending and arrogant manner.

I'll leave him with you so

fly_agaric

the_menace wrote:

b) residents paying taxes.

Yeah. Didn't think of that aspect.

Elmo

And from speaking to them on their forum they can't stand people calling them Irish and consider themselves british. Even though Northern Ireland isn't in Britain, it's in the UK. So they aren't too sure where they are from. But one thing is for certain, they do not live under Irish rule, they do not abide by Irish law, they do not consider themselves Irish, they do not pay Irish taxes.

I think you will find that they don't mind being called Irish but they beleive themselfs to be British.

From what I understand a really unionist would like a United Ireland ruled by London.

LOVE ULSTER ALL NINE.

Freelancer

the_menace wrote:

I'll leave him with you so

Cute, but I see both points of view, while I think Mr Nice guy's argument these people are part of the Irish nation, is infantile, not least because the kind of person who'll travel to another country to protest that they'll never be part of such a country would take offense at his logic.

While on the other hand your argument that foreigners shouldn't be allowed travel to another country means you'd criminalise the south korean farmers currently protesting at the WTO conference in Hong Kong.

I think that by yelling about how they can't come down here you're giving them the oxygen of publicity that they craved.

If you want to object object in a quite dignified manner on the day, you're giving that ilk exactly what they want.

the_menace

Freelancer wrote:

Cute, but I see both points of view, while I think Mr Nice guy's argument these people are part of the Irish nation, is infantile, not least because the kind of person who'll travel to another country to protest that they'll never be part of such a country would take offense at his logic.

While on the other hand your argument that foreigners shouldn't be allowed travel to another country means you'd criminalise the south korean farmers currently protesting at the WTO conference in Hong Kong.

I think that by yelling about how they can't come down here you're giving them the oxygen of publicity that they craved.

If you want to object object in a quite dignified manner on the day, you're giving that ilk exactly what they want.

I appreciate your objectivity but you can't really compare South Korean farmers or Falun-gong praticioners with Loyalists. Especially considering fairly recent history and the fact that certain significantly sized sections of their society are likely to hijack this protest and try to provoke violence or at least insolence/agitation. Not only that but the almost exclusive majority or marchers won't be citizens of the Republic, unlike the WTO (which is a global issue anyway - member cities volunteer to hold the conference).

I really can't quite understand how any Rep. Ireland citizen would want foreigners protesting in their capital at the cost of the incumbent taxpayer. It's not bigotry, it's not xenophobia, it's simply not on

Do I hope the march passes peacefully? Yes. Do I hope that the march passes peacefully if there are violent, agitating elements present in the protestors group? No. Why? Because, well, I don't want a united Ireland and it would be a good, albeit unfortunate way, of ensuring that such a silly march doesn't happen again. And with any luck Bertie will stop meddling in their affairs.

Elmo

I really can't quite understand how any Rep. Ireland citizen would want foreigners protesting in their capital at the cost of the incumbent taxpayer. It's not bigotry, it's not xenophobia, it's simply not on

Because unlike you we many of us don't think of them as foreigners. If we thought like you we would be bother by the death and distruction cause in the north over 25 years on both sides.

It is important that we stand up to make sure that that won't happen again.

Also the tri colour represents the unity (White) of Feniens (Green) and Orange Men (Orange)

I don't want a united Ireland

Perhaps you should help with their protest so.

LOVE ULSTER ALL NINE.

deisedevil

Elmo wrote:

I think you will find that they don't mind being called Irish but they beleive themselfs to be British.

From what I understand a really unionist would like a United Ireland ruled by London.

LOVE ULSTER ALL NINE.

No i didn't find that! They do mind being called Irish. I asked a no. of them if they would regard themselves as Irish and they said they regard themselves as British only. I said should you not be Irish British, they said, British only! Not the same for all of them of course but the LoveUlster members by and large seem to want nothing Irish to be associated with them whatsoever.

By the way, have a look at this. It's an Orange Order march they are after, not a Protest Parade. http://loveulster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=54478#54478

the_menace

Elmo wrote:

Because unlike you we many of us don't think of them as foreigners.

But they are. And they aren't paying for their escapade. As much as I would like to think this protest had good intentions, I can't help but feel that it'll turn nasty. History has certainly proven that this is a likely outcome.

Elmo wrote:

It is important that we stand up to make sure that that won't happen again.

I agree entirely. But there are ways to do it.

Elmo wrote:

Perhaps you should help with their protest so.

Like I say, if it's a well-intended, peaceful march then that's a plus. If they pay for it themselves then they'll really have my respect. Their intention to keep Ireland separated they have my full backing on.

Elmo

They do mind being called Irish.

Well that shows their igornance. I did go on to that site but have refused to look at the igornant comments. I would just get annoyed. I am annoyed by some of the comments on this thread.

Wether they like it or not they are Irish. British if they want and then Irish. Just in the same way the English are English, the Scotish are Scotish and the Welsh are Welsh. The Scot and the welsh give out when they are called English, just as much as us in Ireland.

My question to them would be why? I honestly don't see the problem with being Irish. Do they feel inferior or something.

Again

LOVE ULSTER ALL NINE

Elmo

Their intention to keep Ireland separated they have my full backing on.

Why?

I don't understand that, I feel that that is a case of Middel class Ireland turn their backs on what happened in the north.

I have said this on boards on several occasions.

If the unionist had wanted to keep Northern Ireland, not Ulster, separate and a peaceful part of the UK, then they would have shown their fellow Northern Irish Women, men and children the respect that they deserve.

If they had given that respect then NI would have just continued on as it was.

The unionist that ruled of NI, ran propaganda to make sure the working classes of NI Protestants and Catholics would always fight and would always hate.

You must threat all citizen with respect. They did not do that.

again

LOVE ULSTER, ALL NINE

Elmo

If they pay for it themselves then they'll really have my respect.

How will a couple of unionist actually cost us any money.

They will prob go and do some shopping.

LOVE ULSTER, ALL NINE

Mr.Nice Guy

the_menace wrote:

Read what I said again without highlighting the parts that suit you. Oh, and feel free to share your opinions with us at any time rather than trolling and talking absolute rubbish. As far as I'm concerned, any person who feels that the citizens of one country should be allowed to organise protests in another en masse is a complete idiot. So I'd really like to hear some more tangible arguments from you regarding why we should foot the bill for this - other than "get a clue, it won't cost us much" or such moronic tripe. Either that, or pipe down.

Please explain your comments:

the_menace wrote:

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence. It would add fuel to these loyalists' argument that a united Ireland is a bad thing; and as far as I'm concerned it is. As much as I like the idea in theory, I don't want to share my country with these people. Leave them up North and let them live their sad, bitter, bigotted lives and let us get on with being one of the strongest economies on earth. Any peaceful people on either side of the religious divide in Ulster that want to come down and live in peace are more than welcome.

Do you think these comments are acceptable? Your credibility has gone. It shows you were lying about your concerns for the 'taxpayer' paying for the march. There is a deeper issue here isn't there? Address it.

Dave McG wrote:

This is getting f*cking ridiculous.

What's your problem?

Dave McG wrote:

It's quite clear that you don't know what you're talking about MNG, and you are resorting to silly semantics cos you don't want to admit defeat.

LOL. Either explain yourself or your comments mean nothing.

Dave McG wrote:

Just take a step back, you're out of your depth.

LOL. Try backing up your claims with facts. Then I won't treat your comments with contempt.:)

Freelancer wrote:

Furthermore you are engaging in semantic nitpicking (ie "how would they drain our resources, we're doing alright financialy" clearly the poster meant "a drain" not completely drain)

You can't speak for others. Why you want to is anybody's guess...

Freelancer wrote:

Theres something deeply troubling about someone who has to advertise that they are a "nice guy" while acting in such a boorish conscending and arrogant manner.

Leave the personal stuff aside. It belittles you.

Freelancer wrote:

I think Mr Nice guy's argument these people are part of the Irish nation, is infantile, not least because the kind of person who'll travel to another country to protest that they'll never be part of such a country would take offense at his logic.

A country can be a nation. Jesus wept.

the_menace wrote:

Do I hope the march passes peacefully? Yes.

If that's the case, why did you say in your first post on this thread:

the_menace wrote:

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence.

Your credibility is on the line here mate.

the_menace wrote:

But they are(foreigners).

They're not. They are Irish and part of the Irish nation.

the_menace

Notice the way you're disagreeing with everyone there Mr. Nice Guy? Maybe it's you

Freelancer

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

You can't speak for others. Why you want to is anybody's guess...

Glib and utterly pointless, like I said that appears to be the level you work best at. It's quiet clear to anyone who can read what the poster meant, and childish nitpicking over semantics appears to be all you're capable of.

Leave the personal stuff aside. It belittles you.

In the eyes of whom? In the space of one breath you tell me I can't speak for others, now you're telling I make myself look small in the eyes of others.

Like I said, telling people they're "struggling" or their "credibility is on the line" while nitpicking tiny points, isn't debating in any way shape or form, and brings little of merit to the discussion.

A country can be a nation. Jesus wept.

What is this geography for dummies? Okay leaving aside your insistence that your definition of what is or isn't a country is your opinion and not an irefutable fact, lets try and find some common ground. These people coming here are unionists, they are coming here to what? They feel British not Irish, because they want to remain part of the UK. Therefore this is a foreign country in their eyes.

Oh and a staggering piece of hyprocrisy on your part. "Jesus wept" implying my opinion is infantile or stupid or ignorant, and yet again in the space of a breath you'd told me to leave the personal stuff aside. Yet again your arrogant demand to adjudicate the tone and direction of the thread. Oh I'm sure you'll say something glib and trite about attacking the argument not the posters but again more semantic quibbling.

Mr Nice Guy, you are the direct inversion of your name.

They're not. They are Irish and part of the Irish nation.

You may feel that, I suggest you head into a pub in Larne next July and suggest a hearty chorus of a "nation once again", and then tell the assembled Orange Lodge what nationality you think they are. You're recieve a "firm" rebuttal, and firmer head butt.

Whether you feel they are Irish or not, they don't have Irish currency, have a different set of laws, and don't consider themselves Irish.

the_menace wrote:

I appreciate your objectivity but you can't really compare South Korean farmers or Falun-gong praticioners with Loyalists. Especially considering fairly recent history and the fact that certain significantly sized sections of their society are likely to hijack this protest and try to provoke violence or at least insolence/agitation.

Oh come on are you seriously trying to suggest that ever WTO summit has passed off peacefully. Ever heard of the blac block? The suggestion that WTO protests should be allowed, but Orange Order Marchs shouldn't because of the violence of the latter is just funny.

Not only that but the almost exclusive majority or marchers won't be citizens of the Republic, unlike the WTO (which is a global issue anyway - member cities volunteer to hold the conference).

Your last point is valid, however people travel to these foreign countries because they object to WTO's behaviour and how it affects them and others. The unionists are coming here because they object to the Irish Government's "interference" in their life and how it affects them.

Theres pretty strong parallels there.

Elmo

Your last point is valid, however people travel to these foreign countries because they object to WTO's behaviour and how it affects them and others. The unionists are coming here because they object to the Irish Government's "interference" in their life and how it affects them.

It is not like the Irish Army have Barracks up over A set of Unionist Flats.

They just don't want to move forward or to threat people with respect.

That's all you need to do. RESPECT.

Mr.Nice Guy

Freelancer wrote:

Glib and utterly pointless, like I said that appears to be the level you work best at. It's quiet clear to anyone who can read what the poster meant, and childish nitpicking over semantics appears to be all you're capable of.

If nitpicking was all I was capable of, I'd point out you used the word 'quiet' instead of 'quite' however I will also point out to you that you entered yourself into a discussion without anything worthwhile to contribute.

Freelancer wrote:

In the eyes of whom? In the space of one breath you tell me I can't speak for others, now you're telling I make myself look small in the eyes of others.

Those who resort to personal insults have lost the argument.:)

Freelancer wrote:

Like I said, telling people they're "struggling" or their "credibility is on the line" while nitpicking tiny points, isn't debating in any way shape or form, and brings little of merit to the discussion.

In the eyes of whom? In the space of one breath you tell me I'm not debating, now you're telling me I'm not bringing anything to the discussion.

Freelancer wrote:

What is this geography for dummies?

Ooh more insults. Yeah you're really qualified to talk about the merits of good debate...

Freelancer wrote:

Okay leaving aside your insistence that your definition of what is or isn't a country is your opinion and not an irefutable fact...

Oxford English Dictionary - 'country': "a nation or State; the land it occupies".

Is the dictionary wrong? Do tell us.

Freelancer wrote:

These people coming here are unionists, they are coming here to what?

As I understand it, to protest about concessions to Sinn Féin such as with the recent OTR legislation.

Freelancer wrote:

They feel British not Irish, because they want to remain part of the UK.

Uh-oh! Someone's a little uneducated on the subject! Don't worry, the nice guy of Boards is here to help you out, my uneducated friend. Here are the results of the 2004 NI Life and Times Survey:

Which of these best describes the way you think of yourself?

British 47%
Irish 27%
Ulster 3%
Northern irish 21%
Other (specify) 3%
(Don't know) 0

So it's far from a case of you're either British or Irish the way you think. This survey reveals that over one fifth of the population don't define themselves as 'British' or 'Irish'.

Things aren't as simplistic as you think buddy.

Freelancer wrote:

Therefore this is a foreign country in their eyes.

Wrong! See above! Dear oh dear...

Freelancer wrote:

Oh and a staggering piece of hyprocrisy on your part. "Jesus wept" implying my opinion is infantile or stupid or ignorant, and yet again in the space of a breath you'd told me to leave the personal stuff aside.

Saying 'Jesus wept' is not a personal insult. Are you for real man?

Freelancer wrote:

Yet again your arrogant demand to adjudicate the tone and direction of the thread.

What are you talking about?

Freelancer wrote:

Mr Nice Guy, you are the direct inversion of your name.

Not quite. I'm a he not a she.;)

Freelancer wrote:

You may feel that, I suggest you head into a pub in Larne next July and suggest a hearty chorus of a "nation once again", and then tell the assembled Orange Lodge what nationality you think they are. You're recieve a "firm" rebuttal, and firmer head butt.

But sure identity is a complex thing. You could go to a pub in parts of Glasgow and suggest a chorus of God Save The Queen and be met with a similar response.

Your arguments are too simplistic. They boil down to Irish or British, green or orange. Sadly for you, things are alot more complex.

Freelancer wrote:

Whether you feel they are Irish or not, they don't have Irish currency,

Currency?! LOL!!! So the fact I have the same currency as people in France and Germany means they're my compatriots?! You sir are surely taking the p*ss at this stage? LOL!

Freelancer wrote:

...have a different set of laws,

But they have a different set of laws to Britain! Soon there will be a ban on smoking in the North before Britain. Do you have ANY idea of what you're talking about?

Freelancer wrote:

...and don't consider themselves Irish.

That's far from certain. They might consider themselves Northern Irish.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about Freelancer. You're really struggling and I feel for you. Read alot more on the issues in Northern Ireland and then get back to me. Remember mate, knowledge is power. Good luck.;)

the_menace wrote:

Notice the way you're disagreeing with everyone there Mr. Nice Guy?

I notice your failure (or is it fear?) to answer the question I posed to you. Here it is again:

Please explain your comments:

the_menace wrote:

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence. It would add fuel to these loyalists' argument that a united Ireland is a bad thing; and as far as I'm concerned it is. As much as I like the idea in theory, I don't want to share my country with these people. Leave them up North and let them live their sad, bitter, bigotted lives and let us get on with being one of the strongest economies on earth. Any peaceful people on either side of the religious divide in Ulster that want to come down and live in peace are more than welcome.

Do you think these comments are acceptable?

Answer the question or your credibility will be akin to your knowledge on these issues - non-existant.

Supercell

Has anyone heard if this is actually been allowed yet by the Garda Commissionar orwhoever in charge makes the decision.

I'd like to write to whoever is making this decision and Bertie to express my acute discomfort about this march, and also the fact that imho, to allow it, would be to spit on the memories of the men and women who gave their lives to make this country free from the very people that these Orange thugs represent.

What do you think these men might have thought about this march ?

Padraig Pearse
Thomas MacDonagh
Thomas Clarke
Joseph Plunkett
Edward Daly
Michael O’Hanrahan
William Pearse
Sean McBride
Con Colbert
Eamonn Ceannt
Michael Mallin
Sean Hueston
James Connolly
Sean McDermott

You cannot say that you are proud to be Irish and not respect these names and what they would have thought about this.

deisedevil

I have now been told by one of their members that the protest will not just be about the two issues they first said it was about(otr's and sinn fein's involvement in a government) It is now also about people protesting that they're britishness is fading away and their right to be british is being denied by our government. I asked countless times why there is a need to have the Orange Order marching with their orange parafanalia and drum's, bands, flutes etc. and the answers i have got range from that we should sit back and enjoy it(until some of the louts that go on these marches start a riot as they sometimes do is it?), that it is part of their culture and should be included(what has that got to do with a protest) and other stupid comments that show no satisfactory reason why the Orange Order are needed to accompany their protest! The whole thing is a sham. If they cannot stick to the issues they wish to protest about and not include the Orange Order then surely the gardai and government cannot allow this to go ahead. If it is given the go ahead, like Longfield said, i will be doing everything i can to get support to have it stopped.How that can be done i don't know, Longfield said he'd like to write letters to the Garda Commissionar or whoever in charge makes the decisions, might be a good idea to start there and also send him a copy of the threads in the LoveUlster members forum showing what they really want the protest march for and what it will really be about, a petition also. After all the Orange Order are an organisation that does not allow catholics into it and kicks out members who marry catholics or take part in a catholic ceremony, i'm not willing to then allow them to march through my capital! Bigots!
http://loveulster.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=54569#54569

the_menace

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

If nitpicking was all I was capable of, I'd point out you used the word 'quiet' instead of 'quite' however I will also point out to you that you entered yourself into a discussion without anything worthwhile to contribute.



Those who resort to personal insults have lost the argument.:)



In the eyes of whom? In the space of one breath you tell me I'm not debating, now you're telling me I'm not bringing anything to the discussion.



Ooh more insults. Yeah you're really qualified to talk about the merits of good debate...



Oxford English Dictionary - 'country': "a nation or State; the land it occupies".

Is the dictionary wrong? Do tell us.



As I understand it, to protest about concessions to Sinn Féin such as with the recent OTR legislation.



Uh-oh! Someone's a little uneducated on the subject! Don't worry, the nice guy of Boards is here to help you out, my uneducated friend. Here are the results of the 2004 NI Life and Times Survey:



So it's far from a case of you're either British or Irish the way you think. This survey reveals that over one fifth of the population don't define themselves as 'British' or 'Irish'.

Things aren't as simplistic as you think buddy.



Wrong! See above! Dear oh dear...



Saying 'Jesus wept' is not a personal insult. Are you for real man?



What are you talking about?



Not quite. I'm a he not a she.;)



But sure identity is a complex thing. You could go to a pub in parts of Glasgow and suggest a chorus of God Save The Queen and be met with a similar response.

Your arguments are too simplistic. They boil down to Irish or British, green or orange. Sadly for you, things are alot more complex.



Currency?! LOL!!! So the fact I have the same currency as people in France and Germany means they're my compatriots?! You sir are surely taking the p*ss at this stage? LOL!



But they have a different set of laws to Britain! Soon there will be a ban on smoking in the North before Britain. Do you have ANY idea of what you're talking about?



That's far from certain. They might consider themselves Northern Irish.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about Freelancer. You're really struggling and I feel for you. Read alot more on the issues in Northern Ireland and then get back to me. Remember mate, knowledge is power. Good luck.;)



I notice your failure (or is it fear?) to answer the question I posed to you. Here it is again:

Please explain your comments:



Do you think these comments are acceptable?

Answer the question or your credibility will be akin to your knowledge on these issues - non-existant.

You sure like the sound of your own voice, don't you?

I stand by my slur :rolleyes: If they come down here and cause trouble, I hope they get the living crap kicked out of the. I don't want proven terrorists and thugs coming to my country and causing a mess. Nothing wrong with that. And, no, before you mention I actually do accept that the minority are scumbags - just incase you go off on a little rant about how I'm a bigot.

Nobody seems to agree with you anyway, pal. Give it over. You're full of hot air. Haha. If you're bored then instead of squabbling like a two-year-old, why don't you see how many spelling and gramatical errors you can find in this post. That'll be good craic for you.

Mr.Nice Guy

Longfield wrote:

What do you think these men might have thought about this march ?

Padraig Pearse
Thomas MacDonagh
Thomas Clarke
Joseph Plunkett
Edward Daly
Michael O’Hanrahan
William Pearse
Sean McBride
Con Colbert
Eamonn Ceannt
Michael Mallin
Sean Hueston
James Connolly
Sean McDermott

You cannot say that you are proud to be Irish and not respect these names and what they would have thought about this.

The people you named above didn't consult with the people of Dublin when they took part in the Easter Rising, did they?

I don't think they would object to the proposed march in Dublin as to do so would be hypocritical.

Mr.Nice Guy

the_menace wrote:

You sure like the sound of your own voice, don't you?

My words are typed, not spoken.

the_menace wrote:

I stand by my slur...If they come down here and cause trouble, I hope they get the living crap kicked out of the.

What if they don't cause trouble? Do you still want them to get the living crap kicked out of themselves? After all, you did say and I quote:

the_menace wrote:

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence. It would add fuel to these loyalists' argument that a united Ireland is a bad thing; and as far as I'm concerned it is.

Sounds like you're desperate for violence as it suits your own views.

the_menace wrote:

Nobody seems to agree with you anyway, pal. Give it over.

Nothing wrong with disagreements. It's a free country. Furthermore, I don't think many people want violence at the march like YOU DO.

the_menace wrote:

You're full of hot air. Haha.

No I just understand these issues unlike yourself. Ha ha.

the_menace wrote:

If you're bored then instead of squabbling like a two-year-old, why don't you see how many spelling and gramatical errors you can find in this post. That'll be good craic for you.

You spelt grammatical wrong. Hey you're right, this IS fun!

Why don't you go and stir up some violence around your local area seeing as you like violence so much.

the_menace

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

My words are typed, not spoken.



What if they don't cause trouble? Do you still want them to get the living crap kicked out of themselves? After all, you did say and I quote:



Sounds like you're desperate for violence as it suits your own views.



Nothing wrong with disagreements. It's a free country. Furthermore, I don't think many people want violence at the march like YOU DO.



No I just understand these issues unlike yourself. Ha ha.



You spelt grammatical wrong. Hey you're right, this IS fun!

Why don't you go and stir up some violence around your local area seeing as you like violence so much.

:rolleyes: Obviously

1. I've never raised my fists in anger to anyone.

2. Many of the marchers will be down here to cause trouble, agitation and/or violence. They have done it before, they *may* do it down here. And if they do, I would like to see them get a hiding. By your rationale, I could say that you support the stoning of little schoolgirls? Why? Why do you think it's okay for little schoolgirls to be pelted with rocks on the way to school?

How does that conflict with your pre-conceived notions of someone you don't even know?

deisedevil

Mr. Nice Guy, if you could take time out of the little row would you have a look at this and see do you agree with a protest in the way they are planning it?
(link at the end)


I have now been told by one of their members that the protest will not just be about the two issues they first said it was about(otr's and sinn fein's involvement in a government) It is now also about people protesting that they're britishness is fading away and their right to be british is being denied by our government. I asked countless times why there is a need to have the Orange Order marching with their orange parafanalia and drum's, bands, flutes etc. and the answers i have got range from that we should sit back and enjoy it(until some of the louts that go on these marches start a riot as they sometimes do is it?), that it is part of their culture and should be included(what has that got to do with a protest) and other stupid comments that show no satisfactory reason why the Orange Order are needed to accompany their protest! The whole thing is a sham. If they cannot stick to the issues they wish to protest about and not include the Orange Order then surely the gardai and government cannot allow this to go ahead. If it is given the go ahead, like Longfield said, i will be doing everything i can to get support to have it stopped.How that can be done i don't know, Longfield said he'd like to write letters to the Garda Commissionar or whoever in charge makes the decisions, might be a good idea to start there and also send him a copy of the threads in the LoveUlster members forum showing what they really want the protest march for and what it will really be about, a petition also. After all the Orange Order are an organisation that does not allow catholics into it and kicks out members who marry catholics or take part in a catholic ceremony, i'm not willing to then allow them to march through my capital! Bigots!
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Giblet

If i have to read throught a sea of quotes dealing with every line I will ban who ever does it. You are not arguing, you are nit picking, and not only are you nit picking, you're doing it on points or statements that don't need nit picking. Your arguments are going around in circles, I'm the off ramp.

Mr.Nice Guy

the_menace wrote:

:rolleyes: Obviously

You just love that smiley don't you. Bless.

the_menace wrote:

By your rationale, I could say that you support the stoning of little schoolgirls? Why? Why do you think it's okay for little schoolgirls to be pelted with rocks on the way to school?

Don't be silly. My rationale is based on YOUR OWN COMMENTS. Got that/ is that easy to comprehend? Here they are again:

the_menace wrote:

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence. It would add fuel to these loyalists' argument that a united Ireland is a bad thing; and as far as I'm concerned it is.

What did you mean by this? You have yet to explain that to us all.

deisedevil wrote:

Mr. Nice Guy, if you could take time out of the little row would you have a look at this and see do you agree with a protest in the way they are planning it?

I saw your post. With respect, my views on this can be found pages back. If the Gardai are of the view after consultations with them that their aim is to incite trouble, then the march should not go ahead. Simple.

Mr.Nice Guy

Giblet wrote:

If i have to read throught a sea of quotes dealing with every line I will ban who ever does it. You are not arguing, you are nit picking, and not only are you nit picking, you're doing it on points or statements that don't need nit picking. Your arguments are going around in circles, I'm the off ramp.

OK, that's fair. I must agree the level of argument is dropping, unfortunately. I will retire from the thread by asking for the following sentence to be explained to me:

the_menace wrote:

Personally I can't say I'd be too upset if there was violence. It would add fuel to these loyalists' argument that a united Ireland is a bad thing; and as far as I'm concerned it is.

Gents, it's been a pleasure.