Another mass shooting in the USA - 10 killed

Esse85 · 23-03-2021 8:22am #1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-shooting/index.html

Imagine just going to your local Tesco or Aldi and this happening. So sad.

salmocab · 23-03-2021 8:28am

Esse85 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/22/us/boulder-colorado-shooting/index.html

Imagine just going to your local Tesco or Aldi and this happening. So sad.

You’d also have to imagine living somewhere with ridiculous gun laws.

shar01 · 23-03-2021 8:52am

and a health system that shafts poor people.

CtevenSrowder · 23-03-2021 8:57am

The American fascination with guns, and their 2nd Amendment is truly bizzare. Not some thi g i think I'll ever understand. As is the fact they do not have some kind of socialised Healthcare such as we have in Europe.

Another terrible tragedy, yet as always, nothing will change. Awful for the victims and their families. Horrible that a policeman died aswell, a profession that is hated by many over there.

Rodin · 23-03-2021 8:57am

We never heard a word about the 4th amendment....
Should trump the 2nd.

WrenBoy · 23-03-2021 9:21am

Awful story, RIP to the victims. Hopefully the shooter lives and gets put away for the rest of his life.

Muppet Man · 23-03-2021 9:37am

As sad as it is, what's really sad is I have become conditioned to hearing this from the US and am no longer surprised or shocked. May the victims rest in peace.

Wanderer78 · 23-03-2021 9:38am

Thoughts and prayers!

Nothing to see here!

ypres5 · 23-03-2021 9:44am

Another name incident of far right white nationalist terror in the space of a week. can we have a conversation on it now or will we stay in denial like so many on boards were with the atlanta shooting?

Banana Republic 1 · 23-03-2021 9:45am

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

The American fascination with guns, and their 2nd Amendment is truly bizzare. Not some thi g i think I'll ever understand. As is the fact they do not have some kind of socialised Healthcare such as we have in Europe.

Another terrible tragedy, yet as always, nothing will change. Awful for the victims and their families. Horrible that a policeman died aswell, a profession that is hated by many over there.

The way Americans view guns is the same way the Irish view drink. Guns are endemic in American culture just the same way drink is here.

osarusan · 23-03-2021 9:48am

Interesting article trying to identify factors behind the sheer number of shootings.

But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings?

Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad.

These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion.

The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html

And a couple of figures from that article:

banie01 · 23-03-2021 9:48am

Rodin wrote: »

We never heard a word about the 4th amendment....
Should trump the 2nd.

The 4th amendment is the right to be secure against search and seizure of person or property without warrant or cause.
Most Americans would argue that amendment actually further secures their 2a rights.

biko · 23-03-2021 10:03am

RIP, another American shooting other Americans.

whisky_galore · 23-03-2021 10:08am

Routine by now, they'll never wean themselves off gun fetishism.

Ashbourne hoop · 23-03-2021 10:14am

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The way Americans view guns is the same way the Irish view drink. Guns are endemic in American culture just the same way drink is here.

If their gun laws were as strict as their alcohol laws, they wouldn't have a problem.

Nothing will be done with guns in America. Sandy Hook should have been the impetus to change their laws, but wasn't, and the cycle continues.

randd1 · 23-03-2021 10:32am

They have shootings like we have sports matches. It's absolutely mental when you think about it. But then, that's the yanks for you.

Of course, there is a precedent in the US for tighter gun laws, and how to bring them about. It's simple really; give black men the high powered weaponry.

They brought in controls in the 60's when the Black Panthers started buying up guns. So start giving military grade weaponry and armour to groups like BLM. They'll have tighter controls by the end of the week.

Gunmonkey · 23-03-2021 10:34am

So how long until we get the ubiquitous NRA/Republican squirming along saying "Well...well if only there had been some good guys with guns this might not have happened....we just need more guns to solve this!"

Only hope is with the Dems having some sort of control of the houses now they are smart enough to start pushing some/any gun control legislation through. Its farcically past the point of letting this keep happen or fearing responses of "Oh you are just using a tragedy to push your agenda!" from gun lobbyists.

punisher5112 · 23-03-2021 10:35am

What a kip of a country.

Very sad.

R.I.P to all those taken.

WrenBoy · 23-03-2021 11:00am

Some of the lads must be sleeping in so I'll throw up the usual argument about these things. <ahem>
Well we cant say anything because the IRA.

banie01 · 23-03-2021 11:02am

A mass shooting in an "open carry" state.
It's almost as if having easy access to guns, allowing people to carry them openly for their "protection" out and about has demonstrably failed.

There was a church shooting in Texas foiled by a frankly incredible shot from a 70+ yr old man a couple of years ago.
A headshot from 20mtrs plus with a pistol.
Pro 2a folk latched onto this as an example of why guns keep people safe.
Ignoring the convergence of years of skill and training, luck and the simple fact that if guns were harder to lay hands on?
The luck here would never have been needed.

This Colorado shooting is unfortunately far more illustrative of what easy gun ownership means.
Lots of armed people in and around that shop even before the police arrived, yet 10 dead and shooter arrested.
No John McClane moment, no yippee ki yay just more death sown by easy access to firearms.

Still, tbh I don't really care.
US gun politics are a dumpster fire of individual rights versus big government and are indicative of a huge societal failing.
Those who scream from my cold dead fingers, and to protect from tyrants are funnily enough the same militia loons who tried to overturn free and fair elections.

It really is like having a window on the decline and fall of an Empire.

Witcher · 23-03-2021 11:05am

banie01 wrote: »

Lots of armed people in and around that shop even before the police arrived, yet 10 dead and shooter arrested.
No John McClane moment, no yippee ki yay just more death sown by easy access to firearms.

What's your source on this?

banie01 · 23-03-2021 11:15am

Witcher wrote: »

What's your source on this?

Having worked in CO. It's my own knowledge rather than sourced.
It's an open carry state, and that's a right that many residents enthusiastically exercise.

Open carry in CO is legal and concealed carry permits are on a "shall issue" basis.
That means once an applicant meets the criteria, the license must issue.

It is probably the most weaponized part of the US I've ever been in.
They make Montana look restrictive.

Thelonious Monk · 23-03-2021 11:22am

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The way Americans view guns is the same way the Irish view drink. Guns are endemic in American culture just the same way drink is here.

Maybe minimum unit pricing for bullets would reduce gun use

CtevenSrowder · 23-03-2021 11:25am

ypres5 wrote: »

Another name incident of far right white nationalist terror in the space of a week. can we have a conversation on it now or will we stay in denial like so many on boards were with the atlanta shooting?

Didn't the FBI say it wasn't race related?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/03/18/fbi-director-says-atlanta-shooting-does-not-appear-racially-motivated/

Also, I'm pretty sure there have been conversations about white nationalism in America on boards before, and it is known that it is the biggest terror threat over there (according to the FBI). Europe is ofcourse different.

biko · 23-03-2021 11:29am

If you can prevent people from getting frustrated or crazy enough to go on a shooting spree I suppose that'd help.

Right now of course we know nothing about the motive etc.

whisky_galore · 23-03-2021 11:29am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Maybe minimum unit pricing for bullets would reduce gun use

Maybe restrict weapons to the type available to the Founding Fathers.

biko · 23-03-2021 11:30am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Maybe restrict weapons to the type available to the Founding Fathers.

Good luck getting the Crisps and the Bloods to adopt to this idea

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2021 11:32am

We all know this will change absolutely nothing and the cycle will just repeat again

Witcher · 23-03-2021 11:32am

biko wrote: »

Good luck getting the Crisps and the Bloods to adopt to this idea

THE_SHEEP · 23-03-2021 11:54am

Mass shooting in America .

Reasons ; Trump , guns , far right , IRA ( lol ) etc etc .

No mention that the perp might have had some sort of MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES .

Not so long ago in Ireland , a guy with a " butter knife" , attacked some folk . He had mental health issues . Was this Trump's fault , far right , IRA etc ? Ban all butter knives ?

LillySV · 23-03-2021 11:56am

Trumps gone now so who’s America going to blame now for this ? Or will we stay blaming him cause that’s handy

Another mass shooting in the USA - 10 killed

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