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18-01-2011, 21:59   #2176
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Wait a second there....the Malahide changes include a change in Tallaght do they not?.. So where is the Tallaght consultation? Do the users of the 77 not count in this process? If not then DB will have to change their mantra....serving the entire community??...serving who they feel like methinks!
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19-01-2011, 10:19   #2177
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Wait a second there....the Malahide changes include a change in Tallaght do they not?.. So where is the Tallaght consultation? Do the users of the 77 not count in this process? If not then DB will have to change their mantra....serving the entire community??...serving who they feel like methinks!
Presumably this is something like when the 4 timetable was decimated but there were no public meetings in Phibsboro or Ballymun because DB said it was an N11 change.
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I was waiting at Pembroke Rd at 18.25 yesterday for the 38A scheduled to leave Baggot Street at 18.30. 18.30 came and a scheduled 70 and 37 came at that time but no sign of the 38A.

So I decided to take a stroll down to Baggot St to see what the actual setup is down there. In my head it was going to be something like old Hawkins St setup where there was 4 or so buses waiting to pull out and you could pick the one which suited you best. And expecting to see a controller or something who I could ask what happened to my 38A. Is it cancelled, or is it just a bit late and one of those parked buses is shortly about to become the 38A etc?

But its actually a bit of a mess down there, no central controller that I could see, and the various termini of the buses are on different side streets. You are not actually allowed get on at the terminus either, you have to stroll around to the first stop on Baggot Street and wait there to see which buses the system has deigned to throw at you.

Are the 38As disappearing in sub space?
I've a cousin from England staying with me the last 2 weeks and he travels into town at a different time to me. So between us we have got 16 different 38As in the morning, not one of which has done the the full journey. They all say 'Baggot Street' when we get on, but some discard everyone in Parnell Sq, other O'Connell St, and twice the driver has announced in O'Connell Street the rather wonderful "I'll bring you to College Green but can't go any further" when people have questioned it.

So is it just me being a bit thick then, waiting for a 38A near Baggot St on the way home? - if they aren't travelling over as far as Baggot St in the first place then how the hell are they meant to do the return trip?
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Presumably this is something like when the 4 timetable was decimated but there were no public meetings in Phibsboro or Ballymun because DB said it was an N11 change.
like the 40 change a roadshow in ballyfermot but not finglas originally and the 17a 220 change a roadshow in blanchardstown but none in finglas ballymun or coolock santry
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like the 40 change a roadshow in ballyfermot but not finglas originally and the 17a 220 change a roadshow in blanchardstown but none in finglas ballymun or coolock santry
40D runs from Tyrrelstown but TT residents didn't get a say as the roadshow was held in Finglas so yet all the changes favour Finglas people ... surprise surprise (roadshow was held during working hours - so was unable to attend)
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19-01-2011, 16:32   #2181
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40D runs from Tyrrelstown but TT residents didn't get a say as the roadshow was held in Finglas so yet all the changes favour Finglas people ... surprise surprise (roadshow was held during working hours - so was unable to attend)
Surely routing the 40D via Mellowes Road and the N2 rather than taking the current routing around Finglas south and west will be an improvement for Tyrellstown residents?
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40D runs from Tyrrelstown but TT residents didn't get a say as the roadshow was held in Finglas so yet all the changes favour Finglas people ... surprise surprise (roadshow was held during working hours - so was unable to attend)
Similar to North Clondalkin/Neilstown. Ballyfermot gets three city services, while Neilstown gets the runt of the snails-pace 40. Barely two weeks public consultation (announced on the 13th of October, closed on the 31st).
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19-01-2011, 20:16   #2183
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So I decided to take a stroll down to Baggot St to see what the actual setup is down there. In my head it was going to be something like old Hawkins St setup where there was 4 or so buses waiting to pull out and you could pick the one which suited you best. And expecting to see a controller or something who I could ask what happened to my 38A.

But its actually a bit of a mess down there, no central controller that I could see, and the various termini of the buses are on different side streets.

Are the 38As disappearing in sub space?
I've a cousin from England staying with me the last 2 weeks and he travels into town at a different time to me. So between us we have got 16 different 38As in the morning, not one of which has done the the full journey. They all say 'Baggot Street' when we get on, but some discard everyone in Parnell Sq, other O'Connell St, and twice the driver has announced in O'Connell Street the rather wonderful "I'll bring you to College Green but can't go any further" when people have questioned it.

So is it just me being a bit thick then, waiting for a 38A near Baggot St on the way home? - if they aren't travelling over as far as Baggot St in the first place then how the hell are they meant to do the return trip?
Without being familiar with the 38 route situation in a hands-on manner I`d venture that ArmaniJeans is merely experiencing the exact same issues which the original N11 Corridor customers have being living with since Sept 17th- Lack of sufficient running-time.

This is by far the greatest shortcoming of the Network Direct Teams interpretation of Deloitte`s recommendations and stems from a desire to achieve efficiency gains by getting more journeys out of fewer vehicular and human resources.

The Irish Times journalist Fintan O Toole writing before the inception of Network Direct did pose the question as to just how much "Less is More" could Dublin Bus manage to pass off as an "improvement" before the basic fallacy of the principle became apparent.

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More QBCs will have to be developed. Above all, the idea behind Dublin Bus’s current plans that “less is more” will have to be replaced by a realisation that, in the longer term, more really has to mean more.
Mr O`Toole`s article written back in April 2010 has proven to be somewhat more prescient than much of what has been offered as planning,but as yet we see no real attempt to admit any degree of corporate mea-culpa towards those who questioned the issue to begin with.

It is also worth noting that the other elements of Network Direct involve the automation of much of the control functions formerly carried out by the Stance Inspectors.

The Company for it`s part has withdrawn many of the City Centre Stance Inspectors and instead adopted a hi-tech Central Control facility which when fully operational will utilize this technology to satisfy the various needs of the waiting customer.

However,for the present it has led to the dearth of on-street supervision which ArmaniJeans has experienced.

Whether this has proven to be a sensible decision from a realistic customer-care perspective remains open to conjecture.

The Baggot Street terminus area has also had some degree of difficulty in terms of objections and assorted problems on site which has not helped the situation at all.

it is difficult to avoid the reality that Dublin Bus has been chased all over Dublin City Centre in recent years by a City Council which has a somewhat different appreciation of the spatial requirements of a fleet of 900 large capacity road vehicles than reality demands.

The Baggot Street compromise is just that,somewhere to stable Buses out of sight where they don`t offend the sensitivities of the City`s gentry.

Integrated Public Transport it is not and it`s roots lie far back in dublin`s political administrative past.

I do hope ArmainJeans will get onto NetworkDirect direct so to speak,as this issue is all about customer service,which we were all told was the overriding imperative of Network Direct and Deloitte in the first place.
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40D runs from Tyrrelstown but TT residents didn't get a say as the roadshow was held in Finglas so yet all the changes favour Finglas people ... surprise surprise (roadshow was held during working hours - so was unable to attend)
That's not necessarily true... whilst I agree with you that Tyrellstown residents had every right to be consulted about the changes, there isn't really any change on the Tyrellstown end of the route

And the changes don't benefit all of Finglas... in fact I will no longer be served by the 40D, or the 220. If I wanted to get to Blanchardstown I used to have 2 options and now don't...

And I agree that the roadshow being held during working hours was absolutely ridiculous... If my memory serves me correctly, some of the previous roadshows for other areas were held at reasonable hours in the evenings...
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19-01-2011, 21:11   #2185
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I walk from ballsbridge to merrion sq the majority of times without been passed out by a bus. this would be around 4pm. that is around 15-20 min walk
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19-01-2011, 21:19   #2186
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I walk from ballsbridge to merrion sq the majority of times without been passed out by a bus. this would be around 4pm. that is around 15-20 min walk
This does indeed often happen in my experience. And the amount of people packed onto the buses at peak times makes a mockery of the inadequate number of buses serving the Merrion Road route. Not all of the 7's route is a couple of minutes away from a DART station...

The timetables suggest a bus there every 10 minutes roughly at peak times, but I've waited 25 minutes to go northbound on more than a few occasions between 4 and 7pm.
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Access from Pearse St was cut off this evening to College Green, sending all buses around onto the Quays from Tara St, then D'Olier St and round to College Green and stopping at the now 66/26/67 stop, 'CW' instead of 'CV'. Some people did not cop a yellow laminated sign on the stop and were left waiting as they turned around from D'Olier St, missing buses. I only copped it through spotting my bus turn off Pearse St in the distance. This note on stop 'CV' about the roadworks blocking access read as follows:

"Route 50, 56A and 77/A will not stop at this stop from 1800 due to roadworks on Wednesday 19th September 2011. Nearest stop, 'CW' on College Street"

Dublin Bus Information strikes again.
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20-01-2011, 02:34   #2188
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There was a notice about this on the website earlier.

47 was terminating on Hawkins street
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20-01-2011, 06:39   #2189
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There was a notice about this on the website earlier.

47 was terminating on Hawkins street
Not everyone has internet access in work though. Is it too much to ask DB to use Twitter at all or maybe even set up a mobile version of the website? As part of the review of services.maybe its time to review the most important aspect of the service they provide...timely,accurate and relevant information
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Or alternatively the controller, or who looked like a controller who used to hang out on college green, instead of scratching his nads, could walk around and tell people not to use the stop from time to time
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