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Impact of COVID-19 on motor industry?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    quokula wrote: »
    I've a deposit down for a new car from a main dealership that is (or at least was) scheduled for delivery in June. I'm lucky enough to have a recession proof job that I can do from home so pretty confident my income isn't threatened at all, but still seems like a crazy time to be buying, and that's assuming the dealership can even meet the order and deliver the car.

    Anyone in a similar position? Cancelling seems like the sensible thing to do but to be honest I don't want to phone and tell the guy I'm taking away his custom at this point in time.
    Why cancel if you’re financially secure with the decision to buy?
    We actually need people to buy products big and small to keep businesses viable.
    If we all stop buying goods and services it will only deepen the recession.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Why cancel if you’re financially secure with the decision to buy?..............

    Maybe he's thinking along the lines of yourself?
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112881277&postcount=2948


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Why cancel if you’re financially secure with the decision to buy?
    We actually need people to buy products big and small to keep businesses viable.
    If we all stop buying goods and services it will only deepen the recession.

    I've had people cancel entire buildings............

    ..and then pick up the phone months later as if we'd be standing there waiting around the whole time, and then wanting it in a panic.

    I can do many things; altering time isn't one of them.

    That said, for anyone, if the financial position you're in is now competely untenable, then it's better to cancel and yes, you will forfeit your deposit. You're still lumbering someone else to dispose of your order, so the price of that is forfeit, which just may be the lesser of several evils.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    Augeo wrote: »
    Maybe he's thinking along the lines of yourself?
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112881277&postcount=2948

    Indeed, quite possibly is?
    I suppose I’ve mulled it over and come to the conclusion I outlined.
    When the car arrives will take delivery.
    I do think my point is valid that if we all stop buying goods and services from each other when we can afford them then we will plunge ourselves into an even deeper recession than is likely.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    ........
    I do think my point is valid that if we all stop buying goods and services from each other when we can afford them then we will plunge ourselves into an even deeper recession than is likely.

    No doubt. The VRT etc on new cars is significant.
    To be realistic though, you're not proceeding with your purchase in the spirit of keeping the country going :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Indeed, quite possibly is?
    I suppose I’ve mulled it over and come to the conclusion I outlined.
    When the car arrives will take delivery.
    I do think my point is valid that if we all stop buying goods and services from each other when we can afford them then we will plunge ourselves into an even deeper recession than is likely.

    I've been veering between cancelling and buying all weekend. I'm planning to speak to dealer and see what the options are. I'd like to see if they'd be willing to hold car until 202 plate , hopefully things might be a bit clearer by then (my job should be fine but who knows how the dominos will fall) . If they aren't willing to do that then I'll probably cancel and revisit again at the end of the year.

    M


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Do the fandango


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    if we all stop buying goods and services from each other when we can afford them then we will plunge ourselves into an even deeper recession than is likely.


    Huge numbers of people use finance to buy their cars. It's all well and good to suggest that people that can afford things now should buy, but can they afford that payment over the next 36/48 months?

    On the other side, a 201/202 car will hold a better resale value in years to come becuase there won't be that many of them out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    MM3 wrote: »
    I've been veering between cancelling and buying all weekend. I'm planning to speak to dealer and see what the options are. I'd like to see if they'd be willing to hold car until 202 plate , hopefully things might be a bit clearer by then (my job should be fine but who knows how the dominos will fall) . If they aren't willing to do that then I'll probably cancel and revisit again at the end of the year.

    M

    Until the car is registered, it's not costing the dealer anything at the moment as the manufacturer's have put supports in place.

    Ask the dealer to delay delivery until all this is over and they probably won't bat an eyelid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭carsfan2


    R.O.R wrote: »
    Until the car is registered, it's not costing the dealer anything at the moment as the manufacturer's have put supports in place.

    Ask the dealer to delay delivery until all this is over and they probably won't bat an eyelid.

    Do dealers not pay distributors until punter pays for the car?
    Are all manufacturers putting support in place?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭fifth


    Was planning on buying a 181~ vehicle in September. What do you think the impact will be to used cars? Will they hold their value well because of a shortage of new vehicles going into the second hand market?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    Do dealers not pay distributors until punter pays for the car?
    Are all manufacturers putting support in place?

    I can't say for all manufacturer's, but at the moment most manufacturers have something in place that they will hold the stocking cost rather than the dealer.

    Usually, dealers do have to pay the manufacturer/distributor when they take a vehicle in to dealer stock. Some manufacturers have allowed dealers to put dealer stock back in to manufacturer stock in the past week or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    fifth wrote: »
    Was planning on buying a 181~ vehicle in September. What do you think the impact will be to used cars? Will they hold their value well because of a shortage of new vehicles going into the second hand market?

    that is what happened in the last crash: for 3 years there was such a dearth of new vehicles sold, that the used market was firm.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Augeo wrote: »
    IIRC they closed last Thursday, they didn't wait until they were told to close but they certainly could have closed much earlier.

    as distinct from all the retail that didn't close yet ?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I'm hoping to take delivery of a new yoke next week. The sales guy said that it had been manufactured but that the factories were now reducing production. The supply of components from Spain and Italy will be reduced, for one thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    BTW, if there's any bodywork refinishers (sprayers) in the West looking for work, we have a short term term demand which may be of use if you're on reduced/no work elsewhere.

    PM me here.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    My car is coming up for NCT in three weeks.
    Are NCT still functioning normally?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,507 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    My car is coming up for NCT in three weeks.
    Are NCT still functioning normally?
    There is a current thread in this forum on this subject.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    galwaytt wrote: »
    as distinct from all the retail that didn't close yet ?

    All the large retailers were appallingly slow to close their doors. Penneys, Debenhams etc were all dragging their heels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    I got sent this today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scooby77


    Included in list of "Essential Services ":
    retailers involved in the repair of motor vehicles, motorcycles and bicycle repair and related facilities (for example, tyre sales and repairs)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭sk8board


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Included in list of "Essential Services ":
    retailers involved in the repair of motor vehicles, motorcycles and bicycle repair and related facilities (for example, tyre sales and repairs)

    Does this mean car showrooms and new car handovers will be closed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    Be a few unhappy mechanics I'd say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    sk8board wrote: »
    Does this mean car showrooms and new car handovers will be closed?

    From what I understand, yes. That's not an 'essential service'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    We closed our doors yesterday. A few of us still working behind closed doors for an orderly wind down. I'll probably be home by Thursday.

    Sales is fully closed until further notice. Service is closed but we are doing an on call roster between us all just for breakdowns and just for emergency service and healthcare workers. Selfish, but hopefully I dont get a call.

    Just looking to embrace the few weeks/ months off now and make the best of it. Might never get the opportunity again. Not to be out and about acting the maggot but have plenty to be doing around the house. Catch up on posting on boards etc :pac:.

    Hard to believe really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    I'm cracking up inside at this stage, I thought doing nothing would be grand but it's getting to the point where I wish I had a nixxer to do or something.
    I haven't even got any tools at home, they're all locked in bloody work. :pac:

    Delighted with the most recent pay situation though, seems instead of 203 a week we should be getting our full wage by virtue of the government paying 70%?
    Hell, even if I got 350 a week that's a hell of a wage for sitting in my room all day.

    My isolation is up next Monday, bet any amount of money the country goes into lockdown by then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,699 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    sk8board wrote: »
    Does this mean car showrooms and new car handovers will be closed?

    Our group showrooms closed as of last night, with Service / Parts to stay open. Waiting on further info but there will probably be a skeleton sales staff kept on just in case anyone does want to buy a car via the digital platforms.

    New & Used car sales are non-essential so should be closed. On-line shopping only from now on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,810 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    My quarantine's just over. Got a fit-for-work cert from company doctor and factory wants me back tonight. Something's changed, they wanted to close indefinately, now they're not. I wonder who they're gonna supply as car makers are all shut?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    The manufacture of ventilators?

    Alot of global manufacturing companies of all sorts of parts have been asked by various governments to switch to the manufacturer of ventilators or parts used in their manufacture, which are heavily needed right now. It also keeps people in work too. Similar thing happened during WW2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Readuing this thread makes me realise how badly the motor trade is affected by this
    As I work in a large office, we are all working from home for 2 weeks or more at this stage. I had work from home option already as BAU so took the oppportunity to not surround myself with people.

    I'm glad those in the motor trade are finally getting to not be surrounded by potential infection, and getting government support to be off

    Stay safe everyone, those 202 Cashcows and Kumquats wont hand themselves over :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    How is a manufactuing company specialising in one thing supposed to just "switch" to manufacturing ventilators? That would take months of design and fabrication of the necessary tooling and manufacturing processes, even to start making licenced clones of ventilators.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Because Elon is a real life Hank Scorpio


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I had been toying with the idea of changing my car in the coming weeks too, had been planning on going to the UK for something as there is absolutely nothing here that suits my needs (2.0L or above petrol saloon/estate) however I will now probably wait and if things take a turn for the worse then i'll probably save a ball of money by waiting a few months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    How is a manufactuing company specialising in one thing supposed to just "switch" to manufacturing ventilators? That would take months of design and fabrication of the necessary tooling and manufacturing processes, even to start making licenced clones of ventilators.

    I know in the last plant I worked at, they had a full metal fab shop there, CNC lathes/mills for repairs/parts if needed. It's not the most efficient way to make specific parts but it's doable. If they can put out parts for 1 ventilator a week, its 1 more to the pile needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,810 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    bazz26 wrote: »
    The manufacture of ventilators?

    [...]
    How is a manufactuing company specialising in one thing supposed to just "switch" to manufacturing ventilators? That would take months of design and fabrication of the necessary tooling and manufacturing processes, even to start making licenced clones of ventilators.

    ^^ This! ^^

    Perfectly sums up my factory's position on the market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I had been toying with the idea of changing my car in the coming weeks too, had been planning on going to the UK for something as there is absolutely nothing here that suits my needs (2.0L or above petrol saloon/estate) however I will now probably wait and if things take a turn for the worse then i'll probably save a ball of money by waiting a few months.

    I know someone who's bought a span new vehicle in the UK and can't get it for the time being: they've shut over there, AND even if you could collect it, you're into automatic isolation, AND it's non-essential travel AND the ferries are throttling back as well as the transport co involved.

    So, just chillax 'til things change and then pick up where we left off.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    How is a manufactuing company specialising in one thing supposed to just "switch" to manufacturing ventilators? That would take months of design and fabrication of the necessary tooling and manufacturing processes, even to start making licenced clones of ventilators.

    A single manufacturing company could make thousands of parts for a thousand different products from a multitude of companies from cars to washing machines, etc. Companies don't all have to switch their tooling lines to manufacture ventilators but could easily adopt their lines to make certain parts used in the construction of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Do the fandango


    So our whole place have been put on leave for the next few weeks. There's optimistic hopes of reopening in May, but I personally think we'll be doing well and can't help but feel that once they have to make a call on it that redundancies will be coming, whenever they do reopen. There just wont be a need for as many staff in all departments.

    It will be interesting to see how and when the brands start to advertise 202 sales for July, how do you even begin to start trying to entice people into buying a brand new car in the current climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭sc86


    I wonder how long mechanics are not going to be allowed work , i can understand car showrooms not open etc , its not essential to buy a new car , people need there car fixed , even when not able to use it as much.
    You cant drive to the shop to get food if your car is broke , cant get it fixed if no mechanic working.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭GavMan


    sc86 wrote: »
    I wonder how long mechanics are not going to be allowed work , i can understand car showrooms not open etc , its not essential to buy a new car , people need there car fixed , even when not able to use it as much.
    You cant drive to the shop to get food if your car is broke , cant get it fixed if no mechanic working.

    They can work on a call out basis


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭sc86


    can only be in case of doctor , nurse , dairy farmer , fireman etc


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sc86 wrote: »
    can only be in case of doctor , nurse , dairy farmer , fireman etc

    Indeed,, only essential workers should be going to work.
    No one else needs their car looked at as an emergency/call out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭statto25


    GavMan wrote: »
    They can work on a call out basis


    How does it work then if the repair cannot be done in the driveway etc? Tow back to the garage I presume. Same for tyre fitters, What if wheel alignment or balancing is required as you cant do that on the roadside


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    sc86 wrote: »
    can only be in case of doctor , nurse , dairy farmer , fireman etc

    Hospital Porters. Med Device Workers. Post Office Workers. Lidl Workers. Etc

    The list is much longer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭sc86


    yes , essential services only

    Its a area that needs looked at , as most mechanics are closed / phones off / garages closed up.

    I have heard of cases where these essential workers cant get anybody to fix there cars as all closed or cant be contacted


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sc86 wrote: »
    ........

    I have heard of cases where these essential workers cant get anybody to fix there cars as all closed or cant be contacted

    They are quite likely short on time, unexpected car trouble is always a pain in the stones.

    There are options though for essential workers......

    Servicing & Repairs
    As a result of the latest restrictions (Published 27/3/20), please be advised that all Ford workshops are closed to the public i.e. apart from providing emergency breakdown assistance. However, many Ford workshops continue to provide support to frontline personnel as they are considered essential to the supply chain.
    Need support? We’re here to help.
    You can call us now on 1800 771 199 (more details on Contact Us).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭GavMan


    Augeo wrote: »
    No one else needs their car looked at as an emergency/call out.

    How does one transport a weeks worth of food shopping for say, a family of 3/4/5 people. Sure its not an emergency but at some point you'd need your car fix function. Especially those living rural...


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    GavMan wrote: »
    How does one transport a weeks worth of food shopping for say, a family of 3/4/5 people. Sure its not an emergency but at some point you'd need your car fix function. Especially those living rural...

    In cases like that I'm sure a garage would respond.
    Garages will invariably reopen in due course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭sc86


    Because of the lack of notice given last friday some familys have no car at all.
    Some cars were stripped last friday and awaiting parts , parts not due till monday etc , mechanics were not allowed open monday.

    They should have gave a little notice to prepare
    I know some mechanics went in saturday / monday to finish off jobs , but technically there were not allowed.

    Im not again the lockdown at all , we need to fight this , but i think its a area needs looked at


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  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm nearly 40, what happened last Friday was unprecedented. You can't really give notice for something that was decided that afternoon/evening.
    Some families with no car is unfortunate but in the grand scheme of things it's fairly inconsequential. It's unlikely they are doing without, communities have been pulling together splendidly.


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