Heavyweight Boxing

squinn2912 · 15-06-2021 10:53pm

Just thinking, this fight could very easily turn into a who cares. Need to see some fight in wilder

fitzparker · 16-06-2021 8:28am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Just thinking, this fight could very easily turn into a who cares. Need to see some fight in wilder

im not sure even the second fight sold out (at MGM) its at a bigger stadium now, wonder if the interest is still there, especially if Wilder isn't bothering to try hype it up.

in saying that they went on sale at 8pm last night and I clicked on out of interest (as expected the cheaper tickets sold out $200, the next best I could get was $500) so im sure even without a sell out they will get a high gate.

The fight is in the T-mobile but I was really expecting it to be in the Allegiant Stadium (Raiders NFL stadium in Vegas) it would have been the first boxing/MMA event there.

Guess no one wants to take the chance, even Mcgregor the week before is in the T-Mobile

yourdeadwright · 16-06-2021 9:47am

squinn2912 wrote: »

What’s this all based on? Was the presser tonight?

Yes it was last night Wilder sat there with his head phones on and would't answer question's or speak ,

He is mentally done,

So obvious he was hiding from the media and Fury questioning him on all the excuses last time, He came across as finished to me if you can't deal with a loss you won't address all the problems that caused it,

AJ for all his faults dealt with his lose properly and faced the reality of the situation

A Shaved Duck? · 16-06-2021 9:50am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yes it was last night Wilder sat there with his head phones on and would't answer question's or speak ,

He is mentally done,

So obvious he was hiding from the media and Fury questioning him on all the excuses last time, He came across as finished to me if you can't deal with a loss you won't address all the problems that caused it,

AJ for all his faults dealt with his lose properly and faced the reality of the situation

Yeah its a strange fight to be honest, wilder has to think he cant KO fury after the first fight and cant outbox him after the second.

What gameplan can he come up with?

yourdeadwright · 16-06-2021 9:58am

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Yeah its a strange fight to be honest, wilder has to think he cant KO fury after the first fight and cant outbox him after the second.

What gameplan can he come up with?

Wilder only chance is to catch Fury in the 1st or 2nd if he doesn't he will get flash backs of the last fight and it'll be over,

He showed yesterday he is mentally weak if he doesn't get a quick KO he will be done ,

Fury talks a lot of nonsense but he was bang on the money on his assessment of Wilder that he was hiding from the Media & his bogey man,

Mantis Toboggan · 16-06-2021 10:13am

I'd give Wilder the same chance he had in the second fight, obviously Fury is far superior but Wilder still has those dynamite fists.

fitzparker · 16-06-2021 10:30am

It's still not an easy fight for Fury. Wilders tactics are easy... he has 12 rounds to catch him once

Fury still needs to avoid it for 12 rounds, 1st one he failed in after 35 minutes of doing excellent, second fight he schooled him, it still doesn't take away the strong possibility of Wilder catching him again again.

You can also best believe the towel isn't coming in for Wilder, Jay deas would have got the memo on that, so he will go out swinging which fury needs to be careful of.

not sure if its been posted yet, John Fury gave a very honest interview below and he is concerned about the yes men around Tyson and thinks his mind might not be in the best place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5QK2ufOc4M

Cyrus · 16-06-2021 10:32am

fitzparker wrote: »

It's still not an easy fight for Fury. Wilders tactics are easy... he has 12 rounds to catch him once

Fury still needs to avoid it for 12 rounds, 1st one he failed in after 35 minutes of doing excellent, second fight he schooled him, it still doesn't take away the strong possibility of Wilder catching him again again.

You can also best believe the towel isn't coming in for Wilder, Jay deas would have got the memo on that, so he will go out swinging which fury needs to be careful of.

not sure if its been posted yet, John Fury gave a very honest interview below and he is concerned about the yes men around Tyson and thinks his mind might not be in the best place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5QK2ufOc4M

wilder wont have 12 rounds though, if Fury is as dominant as the last time he gets maybe 5 - 6 rounds.

Littlehorny · 16-06-2021 10:44am

Fury has to know that he must keep Wilder on the back foot because one he can't generate as much power going backwards and two Wilder has not got the skills to box off the back foot.
Controlled aggression, jabbing, pushing and leaning all over him. If he does the same as the second fight, cannot see Wilder's route to a win.
Would any of you be of the opinion that Wilder needs to put on a bit of weight, would it be a benefit or a negative?

OmegaGene · 16-06-2021 11:17am

most of the presser is on ifltv on youtube if anyone wants to catch up
wilder read out a nursery rhyme thing at the start and that was it
i think wilder is still done mentally and cant think on his feet to reply to the fury banter, last time he said he had 6 inch feet nails for him and a big hammer, he clearly lost his hammer lol
fury said he is aiming to be 300lb/21st for the fight, im not sure i believe that

Cyrus · 16-06-2021 11:23am

OmegaGene wrote: »

fury said he is aiming to be 300lb/21st for the fight, im not sure i believe that

i wouldnt be surprised what was he last time 276?

yourdeadwright · 16-06-2021 11:23am

fitzparker wrote: »

It's still not an easy fight for Fury. Wilders tactics are easy... he has 12 rounds to catch him once

Fury still needs to avoid it for 12 rounds, 1st one he failed in after 35 minutes of doing excellent, second fight he schooled him, it still doesn't take away the strong possibility of Wilder catching him again again.

You can also best believe the towel isn't coming in for Wilder, Jay deas would have got the memo on that, so he will go out swinging which fury needs to be careful of.

not sure if its been posted yet, John Fury gave a very honest interview below and he is concerned about the yes men around Tyson and thinks his mind might not be in the best place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5QK2ufOc4M

I wonder is Big John playing silly buggers ,
Last time everything he said was correct so Wilder & his team might be paying close attention to him now , So he could lead them on like Tyson isn't interested,

Even if he is serious Fury took a month off when he went to see Billy Joe fight & was relaxing i think Big John was just afraid he would go off the rails,
Tyson probably need that time because he will be flat out since the fight was announced,

Wilder only has 12 rounds if you stand off him,
If Fury does what he does last time then Wilder has 2 or 3 rounds to land before he is constantly on the back foot & knackered ,

walshb · 16-06-2021 1:21pm

Bit too much being made here about mind games.

Two big lads step into the ring to fight.

They’ll do what they are trained and born to do. And one will win and the other, lose!!

Or a draw!

walshb · 16-06-2021 2:11pm

Littlehorny wrote: »

Would any of you be of the opinion that Wilder needs to put on a bit of weight, would it be a benefit or a negative?

I would be more imploring Wilder to simply try avoid in close action....

Fury is just bigger, heavier, stronger....and more importantly, far more at ease and comfortable in close mauling and maneuvering and pushing around

Wilder with added weight? Really, is it going to make him physically stronger? Naturally better inside? I don't think it is advisable. It may actually see him tire quicker.

Wilder needs to land his big shots...they are big no matter what he weighs.....

Needs that spring and speed and surprise to get it....

yourdeadwright · 16-06-2021 2:26pm

walshb wrote: »

I would be more imploring Wilder to simply try avoid in close action....

Fury is just bigger, heavier, stronger....and more importantly, far more at ease and comfortable in close mauling and maneuvering and pushing around

Wilder with added weight? Really, is it going to make him physically stronger? Naturally better inside? I don't think it is advisable. It may actually see him tire quicker.

Wilder needs to land his big shots...they are big no matter what he weighs.....

Needs that spring and speed and surprise to get it....

Agree with this
Wilder should be working on footwork footwork and more footwork , if he can not get away from Fury he is in trouble again ,
We seen he can't set himself going backwards for his big punches, so he needs to learn how to move and set up his big shots while on the move,

I actually think mentality in this one plays a bigger part than normal , Wilder is brash,bold & a bully, history tells us when these type of guys lose once they lose an edge ,

I think Wilder has still not come to terms with the last fight & if he doesn't look at his flaws truthfully he will lose again ,

Sunny Disposition · 16-06-2021 2:26pm

Wilder tried to do the same thing all the time, a jab to judge the distance and then try the huge right hand. It's been a winning formula in the past, but Fury was wise to it and destroyed him. I think Wilder will have to try and mix it up a bit this time, but realistically his path to victory is through that big right. But he'll have to be a little less predictable if he can.
You couldn't write off Wilder because of the power, but of the top heavyweights Fury is the one he has least chance against. Hopefully Wilder's costume is lighter this time;)

yourdeadwright · 16-06-2021 10:10pm

I see Wilders latest interview with some yes man who wont ask any hard question and even said "i know u won the first fight" well Wilder tells him he wants a body on his record and wants it to be Fury, im, sorry but what an absolute clown talk like that should get u a ban,

I really hope Fury send him into retirement now

squinn2912 · 16-06-2021 11:01pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I see Wilders latest interview with some yes man who wont ask any hard question and even said "i know u won the first fight" well Wilder tells him he wants a body on his record and wants it to be Fury, im, sorry but what an absolute clown talk like that should get u a ban,

I really hope Fury send him into retirement now

Ach it’s just silly talk it doesn’t really endanger anyone.

I think wilders chance is to let everyone think he’s done including fury. If fury performs he wins but if he’s not on it then wilder can easily ko him

OmegaGene · 17-06-2021 7:03am

So eddie Hearn has said there will be a rematch clause in the Aj v Usyk contract
Frank Warren said if joyce beats takam then he’s number a mandatory for the winner of wilder v fury

If that all comes together then Aj v fury will never happen

yourdeadwright · 17-06-2021 9:32am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Ach it’s just silly talk it doesn’t really endanger anyone.

I think wilders chance is to let everyone think he’s done including fury. If fury performs he wins but if he’s not on it then wilder can easily ko him

I think this day and age saying things like that is totally out of line & bad for the sport,

These guys have wife's & children saying you want a body on your recorded makes you scum & in my eyes makes you less of man ,

Only the other day the whole of footballs world wide fan base where praying Erikson was ok that how sport should be regardless of what sport,
Win,lose or draw but hope everyone one goes home in one peace

Honestly i have never wanted to see a fighter get sparked as much in my life after them comments , even more so because this has been a consent thing from Wilder over the last few years
One minute praising Jesus the next talking like that what a clown, I said on here before he speak & acts like he thinks he is in some corny 80's action movie the lad needs mental help ,

OmegaGene · 17-06-2021 12:11pm

Wilder said on one of his streams that he wanted to decapitate fury, he takes it too far

loyatemu · 17-06-2021 12:36pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Wilder said on one of his streams that he wanted to decapitate fury, he takes it too far

LOL, reminds me of Drederick Tatum in the Simpsons:

I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Reporter: Uh, you know, they do have a mother, Champ?
Yes, but I would imagine that she would die of grief.

SHOVELLER · 18-06-2021 11:27pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Wilder said on one of his streams that he wanted to decapitate fury, he takes it too far

Not the first time either

squinn2912 · 19-06-2021 8:33am

Whyte back on giving it loads about what he’d do to Wilder. I’d predict Wilder with a brutal KO

StringerBell · 19-06-2021 9:54pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Just checked ss app. Did he not speak at all? I thought that would be his tactic

Yeah I'm pretty sure I mentioned it a while back that it is really the only tactic that makes any sense for him, what do you say to a guy who smashed you like that? Just ignore, don't engage and if you have genuinely managed to turn that around somehow it's on the night in the ring when you show that. No words needed. If it can have an impact on your opponent great, but ultimately it's your only tactic anyway

squinn2912 · 19-06-2021 10:38pm

StringerBell wrote: »

Yeah I'm pretty sure I mentioned it a while back that it is really the only tactic that makes any sense for him, what do you say to a guy who smashed you like that? Just ignore, don't engage and if you have genuinely managed to turn that around somehow it's on the night in the ring when you show that. No words needed. If it can have an impact on your opponent great, but ultimately it's your only tactic anyway

Yea I remember making similar points. The only other option is to admit you were smashed and that’s generally ok if you get caught like aj vs Ruiz. If Wilder starts talking about his costume or cornerman now he will be ridiculed. Cards very close to chest and show on fight night. Part of me wouldn’t mind seeing him catching Fury just for the sheer chaotic mayhem

yourdeadwright · 20-06-2021 10:20am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Yea I remember making similar points. The only other option is to admit you were smashed and that’s generally ok if you get caught like aj vs Ruiz. If Wilder starts talking about his costume or cornerman now he will be ridiculed. Cards very close to chest and show on fight night. Part of me wouldn’t mind seeing him catching Fury just for the sheer chaotic mayhem

Did AJ just get caught ?

squinn2912 · 20-06-2021 10:34am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Did AJ just get caught ?

Yea. He was going in for the finish after the knockdown and left himself wide open for a big hook. After being caught he was broken down over the next few rounds. He was in no trouble until that third round even if Ruiz was giving a decent account of himself

yourdeadwright · 20-06-2021 10:46am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Yea. He was going in for the finish after the knockdown and left himself wide open for a big hook. After being caught he was broken down over the next few rounds. He was in no trouble until that third round even if Ruiz was giving a decent account of himself

Personally i wouldn't say he was just caught,

Round 1 : If i remember correctly a lot of people had round 1 to Ruiz it was close although i think the official card had it AJ,

Round 2 : Was AJ

And then in round 3 it went pear shaped ,

So i'm not sure you can say he was caught it was a even fight going into round 3 and then Ruiz took control & AJ even won a round after round 3 (can't recall if it was 4 or 5)

I think he just got beat its not like he was dominated and got hit with a lucky shot , Plus he recovered from round 3 for at least a round only to unravel again

squinn2912 · 20-06-2021 12:10pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Personally i wouldn't say he was just caught,

Round 1 : If i remember correctly a lot of people had round 1 to Ruiz it was close although i think the official card had it AJ,

Round 2 : Was AJ

And then in round 3 it went pear shaped ,

So i'm not sure you can say he was caught it was a even fight going into round 3 and then Ruiz took control & AJ even won a round after round 3 (can't recall if it was 4 or 5)

I think he just got beat its not like he was dominated and got hit with a lucky shot , Plus he recovered from round 3 for at least a round only to unravel again

Well of course there are levels of caughtness if we’re going to explore it in detail. It wasn’t like McCall Lewis or Wilder Ortiz II where the punches seemed to come from nowhere.

For me, caught is pear shaped - it happened suddenly and against the run of things. Round 1 the boys kinda felt each other out. 2 aj on top. 3 early part of the round ruiz is on his hole and aj comes in for what he thinks is the kill and takes a big hook he’s not expecting. I totally disagree when you say he recovered. No he didn’t. He was able to last around a minute each round thereafter and threw very little meaningful. Next 2 mins each round and he was clinging on and looked very vulnerable.

It all came from the hook when he didn’t see coming. If he’d gone in there a slight bit more carefully then he’d likely have got rid of ruiz in that third round.

yourdeadwright · 21-06-2021 10:40am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Well of course there are levels of caughtness if we’re going to explore it in detail. It wasn’t like McCall Lewis or Wilder Ortiz II where the punches seemed to come from nowhere.

For me, caught is pear shaped - it happened suddenly and against the run of things. Round 1 the boys kinda felt each other out. 2 aj on top. 3 early part of the round ruiz is on his hole and aj comes in for what he thinks is the kill and takes a big hook he’s not expecting. I totally disagree when you say he recovered. No he didn’t. He was able to last around a minute each round thereafter and threw very little meaningful. Next 2 mins each round and he was clinging on and looked very vulnerable.

It all came from the hook when he didn’t see coming. If he’d gone in there a slight bit more carefully then he’d likely have got rid of ruiz in that third round.

IN the same time you could say Ruiz was doing fine till he got "caught " with the right hand that out him down ,

I will give you that your probably right AJ didn't recover he just kind of held it together if that makes sense,

squinn2912 · 21-06-2021 12:32pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

IN the same time you could say Ruiz was doing fine till he got "caught " with the right hand that out him down ,

I will give you that your probably right AJ didn't recover he just kind of held it together if that makes sense,

Funny as I was writing that answer I was thinking exactly that as the counter argument. I think the difference was that aj ‘caught’ Ruiz when both were expecting the hits in open play as it were.

Yea that’s what I think too. He was only hanging in there for me and of very little threat with the inability to throw anything with much behind it.

yourdeadwright · 29-06-2021 10:30pm

Wilders off his rocker,. See his latest video benching what look like 120kg for 1 rep, Only he doesn't because his two spotters lift it and his form is absolutely ridiculous,hes jumping around celebrating shouting about a train ials comingn

Hes a 6ft 7 heavey weight im being honest when i say, i know lads 5th 7 who just play Sunday leauge football who could bench that for 1 rep,with less help than he got

He's obviously still surrounded by yes men if he thinks doing that and putting up the video is impressive

29-06-2021 10:39pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilders off his rocker,. See his latest video benching what look like 120kg for 1 rep, Only he doesn't because his two spotters lift it and his form is absolutely ridiculous,hes jumping around celebrating shouting about a train ials comingn

Hes a 6ft 7 heavey weight im being honest when i say, i know lads 5th 7 who just play Sunday leauge football who could bench that for 1 rep,with less help than he got

He's obviously still surrounded by yes men if he thinks doing that and putting up the video is impressive

That's cringy as **** to be fair not really inspiring for the next fight

Pastalover · 29-06-2021 11:20pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wilders off his rocker,. See his latest video benching what look like 120kg for 1 rep, Only he doesn't because his two spotters lift it and his form is absolutely ridiculous,hes jumping around celebrating shouting about a train ials comingn

Hes a 6ft 7 heavey weight im being honest when i say, i know lads 5th 7 who just play Sunday leauge football who could bench that for 1 rep,with less help than he got

He's obviously still surrounded by yes men if he thinks doing that and putting up the video is impressive

I did 100kg one rep with a spotter a few years back and I was never a strong gym goer.

You’d expect a former heavyweight belt holder to lift more.

Anyone know what other belt holders or past champions lifted?

OmegaGene · 30-06-2021 7:33am

Wilders attempt at a branch press was pathetic, he had a bigger arch than Macdonalds

squinn2912 · 30-06-2021 7:59am

There must have been more than 100kg on it? It’s not that unlike the silliness Fury gets up to hardly that big a deal. Remember he broke a watermelon in a video before wlad fight? Big wow

The Nal · 30-06-2021 8:14am

Pastalover wrote: »

Anyone know what other belt holders or past champions lifted?

I dont think a lot of them lift that much in general. Lower weights, higher reps.

dinorebel · 30-06-2021 1:53pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Wilders attempt at a branch press was pathetic, he had a bigger arch than Macdonalds

Pretty sure I've seen a clip of Amir Khan benching 150kg.

yourdeadwright · 30-06-2021 2:40pm

Dillian Whyte has posted a clip of himself lifting the same weight for a number of reps and using dumbbells instead of a bar bell (it makes it much tougher ) and doing it alternated ( one hand at a time ) which again makes it much tougher again.

squinn2912 · 30-06-2021 2:43pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Dillian Whyte has posted a clip of himself lifting the same weight for a number of reps and using dumbbells instead of a bar bell (it makes it much tougher ) and doing it alternated ( one hand at a time ) which again makes it much tougher again.

Yea I saw that. It was 310 lbs. so just heavier than Fury. He hasn’t much technique at anything. Still
Reckon he’d ice whyte

yourdeadwright · 30-06-2021 3:07pm

Shows he is just surrounded by yes me,

How did someone not say here look that looked terrible and your spotters actually done all the heavy fighting don't post it ,

squinn2912 · 30-06-2021 4:36pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Shows he is just surrounded by yes me,

How did someone not say here look that looked terrible and your spotters actually done all the heavy fighting don't post it ,

Nothing worse than a confident fool. Would it all be part of the ploy to catch Fury out?

yourdeadwright · 30-06-2021 4:44pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Nothing worse than a confident fool. Would it all be part of the ploy to catch Fury out?

i wouldn't give the lad that much credit ,
Plus i don't think Fury cares he know he has to be on it on it and not to get caught

squinn2912 · 30-06-2021 5:26pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

i wouldn't give the lad that much credit ,
Plus i don't think Fury cares he know he has to be on it on it and not to get caught

If Fury is on it then he will batter him. After that boys like whyte will probably take him

OmegaGene · 30-06-2021 5:29pm

Wilder doesn’t strike me as a man with a plan to pull the wool over the eyes of fury, he’s the most bizarre character in boxing when posting on social media showing his guns and twerking.
I’m not sure about the video wilder showed with him doing new footwork and I think he will revert to the same old style which has been very successful so far until fury
Wilder is very dangerous and I will be in the edge of my seat watching it, I just hope fury is tuned in and doesn’t get lamped by him.

Littlehorny · 30-06-2021 8:35pm

Saw a video of Wilder once where he stood in the sea and starting throwing punches while standing in waist deep water and he genuinely thought he was doing something amazing, he looked like a complete dope to be honest.
And this was a few years, don't think he's the sharpest tool in the box.

squinn2912 · 30-06-2021 11:10pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Wilder doesn’t strike me as a man with a plan to pull the wool over the eyes of fury, he’s the most bizarre character in boxing when posting on social media showing his guns and twerking.
I’m not sure about the video wilder showed with him doing new footwork and I think he will revert to the same old style which has been very successful so far until fury
Wilder is very dangerous and I will be in the edge of my seat watching it, I just hope fury is tuned in and doesn’t get lamped by him.

Dangerous if given time and space. Fury good at denying that

normanoffside · 20-07-2021 4:25pm

First Boxing post on the new Site :)

Joshua vs Usyk Confirmed for September 25th in the Tottenham Hotspur stadium

StringerBell · 21-07-2021 10:02pm

I kind of find it funny that they have Usyk holding belts on the poster

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