Pittsburgh synagogue shooting

ceadaoin. · 27-10-2018 4:33pm #1

At least 8 people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Seems that the shooter is now in custody and came out saying that "all these Jews need to die". Why are Jewish people always the first target from many sides? You'd think we'd have moved on after a few thousand years of it.

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America. Doesn't feel good to live here tbh, you never know when the next psycho is going to do something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46002549

BabyCheeses · 27-10-2018 4:44pm

He has a gab account so I'm going to go for angry Buddhist for this one.

Raging_Ninja · 27-10-2018 4:47pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

At least 8 people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Seems that the shooter is now in custody and came out saying that "all these Jews need to die". Why are Jewish people always the first target from many sides? You'd think we'd have moved on after a few thousand years of it.

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America. Doesn't feel good to live here tbh, you never know when the next psycho is going to do something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46002549

Jews are the targets in every society. If you think they have it bad in the US, take a look at anti-Semitism in France where the Jewish population has dropped by something like 20% due to anti-Semitic attacks on their community.

jam_mac_jam · 27-10-2018 4:48pm

BabyCheeses wrote: »

He has a gab account so I'm going to go for angry Buddhist for this one.

Well not a christian anyway because they never hurt Jewish people...

suicide_circus · 27-10-2018 4:51pm

you'd swear none of this stuff ever happened until Trump took office

Vincent Vega · 27-10-2018 4:51pm

BabyCheeses wrote: »

He has a gab account so I'm going to go for angry Buddhist for this one.

http://archive.is/k63LEo

Robert Bowers @onedingo
2 hours ago
HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people.
I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered.
Screw your optics, I'm going in.

His gab was working about half an hour ago. Seems to have been taken offline since then.

DColeman · 27-10-2018 5:05pm

He wasn't fan of "globalist" Trump either.

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RobertKK · 27-10-2018 5:05pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

At least 8 people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Seems that the shooter is now in custody and came out saying that "all these Jews need to die". Why are Jewish people always the first target from many sides? You'd think we'd have moved on after a few thousand years of it.

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America. Doesn't feel good to live here tbh, you never know when the next psycho is going to do something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46002549

They have been around since year dot, nothing to do with Trump whose daughter is Jewish.

lertsnim · 27-10-2018 5:13pm

Thoughts and prayers

Harry Palmr · 27-10-2018 5:16pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

At least 8 people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Seems that the shooter is now in custody and came out saying that "all these Jews need to die". Why are Jewish people always the first target from many sides? You'd think we'd have moved on after a few thousand years of it.

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America. Doesn't feel good to live here tbh, you never know when the next psycho is going to do something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46002549

This really ought to be Godwin'd

B0jangles · 27-10-2018 5:17pm

Weird how Neo-nazis and White Nationalists love Trump even though he apparently hasn't either done or said anything to support them?

Maybe the Neo-Nazis misunderstood him when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" after their march in Charlottesville, and though that that was the President tacitly endorsing their views?

He has and continues to use hateful and divisive rhetoric to stoke the fear and anger of a subset of the population and then pleads ignorance when they go off and murder ordinary people who are just trying to live their lives.

mrmorgan · 27-10-2018 5:20pm

any idea yet how many are dead?

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 5:24pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Weird how Neo-nazis and White Nationalists love Trump even though he apparently hasn't either done or said anything to support them?

Maybe the Neo-Nazis misunderstood him when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" after their march in Charlottesville, and though that that was the President tacitly endorsing their views?

He has and continues to use hateful and divisive rhetoric to stoke the fear and anger of a subset of the population and then pleads ignorance when they go off and murder ordinary people who are just trying to live their lives.

Expressed support and accepted endorsements from far right figures

mcmoustache · 27-10-2018 5:25pm

mrmorgan wrote: »

any idea yet how many are dead?

8 I think.

RobertKK · 27-10-2018 5:41pm

Trump talking rubbish about synagogues and churches needing armed guards to protect them.

JupiterKid · 27-10-2018 5:47pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

you'd swear none of this stuff ever happened until Trump took office

There were racist/anti semitic attacks in the States before Trump took office but since he took power white supremacicts and racists have been more emboldened to carry out more attacks. And Trump has again and again refused to denounce these racists.

RIP to those who were murdered.

SilverPenney · 27-10-2018 5:54pm

Terrible attack, and all too common. I am sure that Donald Trump will have a personal grievance with this shooting, considering his daughter Ivanka is a Jewish convert and his son-in-law Jared Kushner and their kids are practicing Jews. RIP.

wexie · 27-10-2018 6:05pm

B0jangles wrote: »

He has and continues to use hateful and divisive rhetoric to stoke the fear and anger of a subset of the population and then pleads ignorance when they go off and murder ordinary people who are just trying to live their lives.

And then turns around to blame it all on the media

laugh · 27-10-2018 6:07pm

Wow, the President of the USA being interviewed about this and barely able to string a few words together. How can anyone support this clown.

laugh · 27-10-2018 6:08pm

Death penalty should be applied quickly he says.

Raging_Ninja · 27-10-2018 6:12pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Trump talking rubbish about synagogues and churches needing armed guards to protect them.

He's not wrong. The victims of these attacks are usually so-called "gun-free zones", which are really just soft targets. Contrast this with an attempted Isis attack in Texas where the attackers were gunned down almost immediately by armed security and police.

Its not unique to the US - after the Isis attacks in France there were soldiers patrolling the streets outside potential targets.

steddyeddy · 27-10-2018 6:17pm

It's America it was always going to happen. The gun culture facilitates such attacks.

Dalomanakora · 27-10-2018 6:19pm

RIP to the victims. I hope the witnesses recover mentally from such a horrific event too.

ceadaoin. · 27-10-2018 6:24pm

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

He's not wrong. The victims of these attacks are usually so-called "gun-free zones", which are really just soft targets. Contrast this with an attempted Isis attack in Texas where the attackers were gunned down almost immediately by armed security and police.

Its not unique to the US - after the Isis attacks in France there were soldiers patrolling the streets outside potential targets.

My daughter's old school was attached to a temple and predominantly Jewish even though it was a secular school. They had armed guards and sniffer dogs outside on major Jewish holidays. Freaked me out the first time I saw it and I felt very uncomfortable walking her into school past them but clearly they felt it was needed and maybe they were right

Berserker · 27-10-2018 6:25pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America.

Try again. The USA is a country where Jewish people thrive. Devout Christians throughout the USA, who support Trump in general, adore Israel and have strong religious connections to Judaism.

suicide_circus wrote: »

you'd swear none of this stuff ever happened until Trump took office

Anything remotely bad that happens now is his fault. Did you not get the memo?

RobertKK wrote: »

Trump talking rubbish about synagogues and churches needing armed guards to protect them.

Calling for the death penalty now. Agree with him 100%. Anyone who goes into a building and shoots people in this manner deserves that fate.

topmanamillion · 27-10-2018 6:41pm

Before Trump became president:
Between 2014 and 2017, 56,755 Americans were killed by guns, including 2,710 children under the age of 12.

In that time, there were 1,333 mass shootings - defined as incidents in which at least four people are injured or killed - eight of them at elementary or high schools.

Americas gun culture is the problem. Trump is a minor character in what is an all powerful lobby group - the NRA.

Berserker · 27-10-2018 6:45pm

topmanamillion wrote: »

Americas gun culture is the problem. Trump is a minor character in what is an all powerful lobby group - the NRA.

So, if we get rid of guns, will this problem go away? I think better gun controls are needed but these killings will still continue.

batgoat · 27-10-2018 6:48pm

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Jews are the targets in every society. If you think they have it bad in the US, take a look at anti-Semitism in France where the Jewish population has dropped by something like 20% due to anti-Semitic attacks on their community.

Trump has been doing anti semetic dogwhistles at George Soros for a few months. This resulted in him being one of the targets of the Maga Bomber... So Trump very much so is further enabling this stuff.

Manic Moran · 27-10-2018 6:48pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Trump talking rubbish about synagogues and churches needing armed guards to protect them.

Not unheard of.
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/6-shot-at-new-life-church-gunman-2-churchgoers-dead

Two church members were shot to death and three others were injured after a gunman opened fire outside the New Life Church in Colorado Springs as Sunday services were wrapping up.
The gunman was shot by a church female security officer and was found dead when police arrived at the scene, said Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers.

Police did not release the name of the security guard but said she "probably saved many lives today."

She was actually a member of the parish, not hired security.

Odhinn · 27-10-2018 6:51pm

Yep, he's a jew hater allright.

https://archive.fo/1gI5n

One eyed Jack · 27-10-2018 6:53pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

At least 8 people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Seems that the shooter is now in custody and came out saying that "all these Jews need to die". Why are Jewish people always the first target from many sides? You'd think we'd have moved on after a few thousand years of it.

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America. Doesn't feel good to live here tbh, you never know when the next psycho is going to do something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46002549

They’re not? Not by a long shot.

And racism and bigotry existed en masse in the US before Trump was ever even heard of. It’s just that it could be largely ignored by people who weren’t affected by it. Undoubtedly of course this case will be used by people of all political and social persuasions to attempt to gain power over other groups, by instilling fear in people and inciting moral panic and suspicion of their neighbours, as it is now and has been this way since human civilisation existed.

super_furry · 27-10-2018 6:54pm

Okay so I know that thoughts and prayers didn’t prevent this one, but they’ll definitely stop the next mass shooting.

I mean it’s not like anything else can be done in the only country where this regularly happens.

Berserker · 27-10-2018 6:55pm

batgoat wrote: »

Trump has been doing anti semetic dogwhistles at George Soros for a few months. This resulted in him being one of the targets of the Maga Bomber... So Trump very much so is further enabling this stuff.

Yeah, Trump, the man who recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and continuously champions Israel, is anti-semitic. I've heard it all now.

super_furry wrote: »

Okay so I know that thoughts and prayers didn’t prevent this one, but they’ll definitely stop the next mass shooting.

I mean it’s not like anything else can be done in the only country where this regularly happens.

What do you think about having more thoughts and prayers?

batgoat · 27-10-2018 7:00pm

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah, Trump, the man who recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and continuously champions Israel, is anti-semitic. I've heard it all now.

What do you think about having more thoughts and prayers?

I would very much so say that espousing conspiracies about George Soros who is subject to huge amounts of antisemitic conspiracies is in fact antisemitic. He also endangered the man's life by doing so which seems to be grand with you btw...

Also worth remembering Steve Bannon and Miller are both rather antisemitic. Two prominent members of his staff in the past. The term "globalist" in itself has antisemitic connotations. So yep he's well able to be anti semetic regardless of the Jerusalem embassy.

Raging_Ninja · 27-10-2018 7:01pm

topmanamillion wrote: »

Before Trump became president:
Between 2014 and 2017, 56,755 Americans were killed by guns, including 2,710 children under the age of 12.

In that time, there were 1,333 mass shootings - defined as incidents in which at least four people are injured or killed - eight of them at elementary or high schools.

Americas gun culture is the problem. Trump is a minor character in what is an all powerful lobby group - the NRA.

That statistic is misleading - the majority of those deaths are suicides, and US suicide rates are broadly the same as the rest of the western world.

super_furry · 27-10-2018 7:03pm

Berserker wrote: »

What do you think about having more thoughts and prayers?

It’s worth a try. I mean there’s nothing else anyone could possibly do to stop this.

gw80 · 27-10-2018 7:35pm

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Jews are the targets in every society. If you think they have it bad in the US, take a look at anti-Semitism in France where the Jewish population has dropped by something like 20% due to anti-Semitic attacks on their community.

Attacks primarily by Muslims,

DColeman · 27-10-2018 8:27pm

10 officially confirmed dead.

Odhinn · 27-10-2018 8:33pm

DColeman wrote: »

10 officially confirmed dead.

Shortly before the shooting, in an account on the Gab social media platform that authorities are investigating, the suspect is believed to have posted he "can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-active-shooter/index.html

Thinking that can often be seen on this website unfortunately.

Sonics2k · 27-10-2018 8:38pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Weird how Neo-nazis and White Nationalists love Trump even though he apparently hasn't either done or said anything to support them?

Maybe the Neo-Nazis misunderstood him when he said there were "very fine people on both sides" after their march in Charlottesville, and though that that was the President tacitly endorsing their views?

He has and continues to use hateful and divisive rhetoric to stoke the fear and anger of a subset of the population and then pleads ignorance when they go off and murder ordinary people who are just trying to live their lives.

Let's also not forget that a leading chant at Charlotesville was "Jews will not replace us".

While Trump himself is not anti-Semitic, a large part of his base is. There's also a part that think Trump doesn't go far enough in regards to talking against the Jews.

The whole country is a nightmare, and yes, it's gotten worse under Trump.

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 8:55pm

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

He's not wrong. The victims of these attacks are usually so-called "gun-free zones", which are really just soft targets. Contrast this with an attempted Isis attack in Texas where the attackers were gunned down almost immediately by armed security and police.

Its not unique to the US - after the Isis attacks in France there were soldiers patrolling the streets outside potential targets.

Eh, a trained and armed policeman was mown down in Paris the time of the Bataclan wasn't he?

Bit too much to expect a heap of have-a-go Rambos panicking to save everyone.

Raging_Ninja · 27-10-2018 9:02pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Eh, a trained and armed policeman was mown down in Paris the time of the Bataclan wasn't he?

Bit too much to expect a heap of have-a-go Rambos panicking to save everyone.

I think it was at the Charlie Hebdo massacre, and he was one policeman with a pistol who took on two jihadis armed with assault rifles.

At the same time that doesn't mean that it's a waste of time to not have armed security or that people should be discouraged or banned from owning firearms.

It is better to have people with the tools to try and defend themselves and others than a group of people who don't and can't.

Outlaw Pete · 27-10-2018 9:09pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Weird how Neo-nazis and White Nationalists love Trump even though he apparently hasn't either done or said anything to support them?

There's nothing weird about it. Or at least not in the way you're suggesting.

No more weirder than black supremacists supporting Obama.......... that doesn't make him one though does it?

batgoat wrote: »

Trump has been doing anti semetic dogwhistles at George Soros for a few months.

You people would blame almost anything on Trump. You'd swear the world was utopic before his tenure.

Ivanka is Jewish ffs.

DColeman · 27-10-2018 9:20pm

11 confirmed dead now.

Outlaw Pete · 27-10-2018 9:21pm

Also, the nut was no Trump sycophant:

Bowers was also critical of President Donald Trump, writing on Gab days before the shooting that, “Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist. There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation.” Bowers also denied voting for Trump, saying, “For the record, I did not vote for him nor have I owned, worn or even touched a maga hat.”

Amazing how easily many people are willing to blame Trump on the actions of a lunatic.

nullzero · 27-10-2018 9:47pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

At least 8 people are dead after a gunman opened fire at a synagogue in Pittsburgh. Seems that the shooter is now in custody and came out saying that "all these Jews need to die". Why are Jewish people always the first target from many sides? You'd think we'd have moved on after a few thousand years of it.

Racists and anti semites seem to feel emboldened in Trump's America. Doesn't feel good to live here tbh, you never know when the next psycho is going to do something.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-46002549

Trump is the most pro Israel president in living memory and that is a tall order.
He moved the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and his son in law is a dyed in the wool Zionist Israeli who ensures Trumps pro zionist stance will never do anything but take him in an even greater pro Israeli direction.
I don't think much of Trump but if you're living in America and you're going to say Trump is encouraging anti semitic violence you really need to do some research instead of parroting populist nonsense.
Opinions like yours speak volumes for the current NPC phenomenon, do you even think for yourself?

EDIT: In my haste I forgot to condemn the attack and express sadness for the victims and their families.

steddyeddy · 27-10-2018 9:49pm

Berserker wrote: »

Try again. The USA is a country where Jewish people thrive. Devout Christians throughout the USA, who support Trump in general, adore Israel and have strong religious connections to Judaism.

Anything remotely bad that happens now is his fault. Did you not get the memo?

Calling for the death penalty now. Agree with him 100%. Anyone who goes into a building and shoots people in this manner deserves that fate.

I work in the states quite a bit. It's not as simple as loving Israel. I've heard Israeli supporting colleagues complain about percieved Jewish nepotism. It's a very confused nation.

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 11:11pm

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I think it was at the Charlie Hebdo massacre, and he was one policeman with a pistol who took on two jihadis armed with assault rifles.

At the same time that doesn't mean that it's a waste of time to not have armed security or that people should be discouraged or banned from owning firearms.

It is better to have people with the tools to try and defend themselves and others than a group of people who don't and can't.

The one I'm talking about was at night. One cop walking down the street with his pistol out and the fellas with the assault rifles just walked towards him, shot him down and then finished him off as they were walking by.

Having armed, and presumably trained, security is different to having an uncoordinated rabble with their own personal firearms

After the first few shots are fired, nobody knows who the fuck is on whose side. There'd be chaos.

Edit: You are right. Charlie Hebdo. Just googled it and saw the (blurred and edited) video on youtube

Grayson · 27-10-2018 11:24pm

Odhinn wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/pittsburgh-synagogue-active-shooter/index.html

Thinking that can often be seen on this website unfortunately.

I read an archive of his feed. If that was his account he's so right wing he hated trump. Trump was another "globalist"

Gimme A Pound · 27-10-2018 11:40pm

batgoat wrote: »

Trump has been doing anti semetic dogwhistles at George Soros for a few months. This resulted in him being one of the targets of the Maga Bomber... So Trump very much so is further enabling this stuff.

Taking issue with George Soros's views need not have anything whatsoever with his ethnicity.

batgoat · 27-10-2018 11:47pm

Jacoby Teeny Sinkhole wrote: »

Taking issue with George Soros's views need not have anything whatsoever with his ethnicity.

Eh, he claimed that George Soros and the Democrats had organised the migrant caravan... That was a conspiracy theory... Also claiming George Soros is part of a "globalist" agenda to control the world is textbook antisemitic conspiracy territory... Trump is not known for his factual analyses.. Fair few places have picked up on the implications of such rhetoric btw.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/outlook/2018/10/24/conspiracy-theories-about-soros-arent-just-false-theyre-anti-semitic/

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