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Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:23pm

matt360 wrote: »

Ok but you stated that "250 is the suggested number, and it'll be men, women & children"
Just wondering how you know this? Thanks

As per the article - Government plans to house ‘less than 250’ asylum seekers in closed hotel

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/locals-urged-to-take-direct-action-to-stop-oughterard-asylum-centre-1.4016500

Large-ish male only DPCs don't get located in rural areas. Seven in total in the country.

Gatling · 30-09-2019 11:26pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Nope. Try again and check the facts not randomly guess. The figures for unsuccessful asylum claims were posted here several times.

Actually he was right to a degree

99% of Albanian asylum applications were rejected

Gatling · 30-09-2019 11:33pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

As per the article - Government plans to house ‘less than 250’ asylum seekers in closed hotel

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/locals-urged-to-take-direct-action-to-stop-oughterard-asylum-centre-1.4016500

Any chance of the actual article been it's behind a pay wall can't take your word

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:33pm

Gatling wrote: »

Actually he was right to a degree

99% of Albanian asylum applications were rejected

Albania

459

649

1

3

374

0.03%

0.1%

99%

Georgia

450

519

5

0

242

3%

0%

97%

Syria

333

66

389

1

4

99%

0.25%

1.75%

Zimbabwe

282

540

23

7

131

14%

4%

82%

Nigeria

251

409

9

1

170

Not right to a degree. Simply right.

Not good to state that 99% of all asylum claims were rejected. Then change it to another random figure of 90%.

The true figure, from official government statistics for 2018, is 70.3% rejection. That's a whopping 28.7% off your original figure and indicative of the untruthful nonsense that gets posted here.

On that note good night, and I look forward to reading some more invented stuff in the morning.

Gatling · 30-09-2019 11:35pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Not right to a degree. Simply right.

Not good to state that 99% of all asylum claims were rejected. Then change it to another random figure of 90%.

Posted the figures and rejection rate of nationalities .

Are you saying the 2018 figures are wrong as well

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:36pm

Gatling wrote: »

Any chance of the actual article been it's behind a pay wall can't take your word

I had access and am not a subscriber. The heading alone gives the information and it's extremely clear.

Government plans to house ‘less than 250’ asylum seekers in closed hotel

Gatling · 30-09-2019 11:37pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

I had access and am not a subscriber. The heading

It's behind a pay wall so your filling in the blank's based off a headline on hidden article.

Crows

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

Posted the figures and rejection rate of nationalities .

Are you saying the 2018 figures are wrong as well

You've posted the figures for five nationalities. There were many more nationalities applying. The overall rejection figure is 70.3%. If you've any query regarding that figure then you'll have to take it up with the government compiler.

Gatling · 30-09-2019 11:39pm

Seathrun66 wrote: »

You've posted the figures for five nationalities. There were many more nationalities applying.

The majority who are rejected yes

Figures come from the government

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's behind a pay wall so your filling in the blank's based off a headline on hidden article.

Crows

Nope, it's in the article's heading. But once again let me do your work for you:

Sorcha Pollak, Irish Times, 13 September 2019

The Department of Justice is in negotiations with the owners of a Connemara hotel to house “less than 250” refugee and asylum seekers there, The Irish Times understands.

The plans to use the long-closed Connemara Gateway hotel near Oughterard, Co Galway, for this purpose led to 700 people attending a meeting in the town on Wednesday evening.

One of the organisers of the meeting, Patrick Curran, has called for one thousand volunteers to take part in “direct action” to prevent the centre from opening.

A leaflet featuring graphs of nationalities in the direct provision system, data on deportations and State spending on asylum, which was not attributed to any group, was distributed among members of the crowd.

The Department of Justice’s Reception and Integration Agency said the State had legal obligations to house and feed people claiming rights to international protection while their claim is being examined.

Bishop critical of lack of consultation with local people over direct provision
Large crowd continues protest over direct provision centre in Oughterard
Direct provision risks reversals, refugee service warns
Posting on the Facebook page Stop Connemara Gateway Hotel Direct Provision Centre, Patrick Curran called for volunteers to offer “up to half a day a week” for protests. So far, more than 170 people have signed up.

In a separate post, Mr Curran wrote that “smear campaigns” had been set up since the Oughterard meeting targeting members of the community as “racists or far-right activists”.

‘Fair share’
Oughterard is happy to do “more than our fair share to accommodate refugees” and was willing to accept a few families, but “there will be no direct provision centre”, he wrote.

The Facebook group had previously warned, ahead of the meeting, that the town could end up taking in “100 or 200 refugees ... once they settle then they can bring a couple of hundred of their family with them”.

“We are happy to take a family but we would need to vet them to make sure they are genuine,” said the post. “We would like to see that they come from a war-zone and are really fleeing terror ... We would like to know they don’t have a criminal record and their documentation is not fake.”

The group, which has nearly 1,600 members, also featured a number of endorsements for a two-hour-long video posted on YouTube last week that claimed the asylum industry was being forced on rural communities through “State intimidation and manipulation”.

The Department of Justice has said it will start engaging with local communities and politicians about the opening of a number of new direct provision centres once potential properties are evaluated.

The Reception and Integration Agency has sought new premises because demand has risen by 36 per cent so far this year. While 6,056 people reside in 38 direct provision centres, 1,250 people more are temporarily resident in 33 recently opened emergency accommodation centres.

The department spokesman would not confirm the location of any new centres but said an evaluation of offers was under way.

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:44pm

Gatling wrote: »

The majority who are rejected yes

Figures come from the government

70.3% rejected - official government figures.
99% rejected - Gatling's figure.
90% rejected - Gatling's updated figure.

Hmmn, who will we trust on this one?

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:45pm

Gatling wrote: »

The majority who are rejected yes

Figures come from the government

Nope. You included Syrians. Their rejection rate was 1.75%.

Gatling · 30-09-2019 11:47pm

But no guarantee its less than 250 ,
Which could possibly double , quadruple with family reunification ,
The government have a habit of underestimating numbers for some reason

Seathrun66 · 30-09-2019 11:56pm

Gatling wrote: »

But no guarantee its less than 250 ,
Which could possibly double , quadruple with family reunification ,
The government have a habit of underestimating numbers for some reason

Again, I'll take government and Irish Times' sources over Gatling's.

Gatling · 01-10-2019 12:04am

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Again, I'll take government

But unfortunately you don't have the government figures for how many now and in the future do you

Seathrun66 · 01-10-2019 12:05am

Gatling wrote: »

But unfortunately you don't have the government figures for how many now and in the future do you

As before, I'll trust the Irish Times and Irish government over an anonymous poster - one who has put up erroneous figures for another point in the past hour.

Gatling · 01-10-2019 12:07am

Seathrun66 wrote: »

As before, I'll trust the Irish Times and Irish government over an anonymous poster.

But yet we have to believe that 7197 failed asylum seekers have left the state based off your opinion only

matt360 · 01-10-2019 9:23am

Not going ahead in Oughterard now anyway

Happyilylost · 01-10-2019 9:24am

Le sigh. This is what you asked.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Examples of failed asylum seekers remaining in Ireland and reappearing here?

This is what I had posted previously. I had mentioned that "asylum seekers fall of the grid all the time". As you can see the word "failed" does not precede that sentence.

Happyilylost wrote: »

Someone guessing is not gone. Also the word gone wasn't used. You could change the sentence to "it is hardly surprising they would go underground before being forcibly removed by the Gardaí" and it would have the same amount of fact. Asylum seekers fall off the grid all the time. Some reappear again. Others stay hidden. And yes. Some leave. At least I would be willing to admit it is possible that all failed asylum seekers leave Ireland the same way its just as possible many remain. Without the facts no one can make such an assertion either way.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

In your post at 15.31 today:

Someone guessing is not gone. Also the word gone wasn't used. You could change the sentence to "it is hardly surprising they would go underground before being forcibly removed by the Gardaí" and it would have the same amount of fact. Asylum seekers fall off the grid all the time. Some reappear again. Others stay hidden. And yes. Some leave. At least I would be willing to admit it is possible that all failed asylum seekers leave Ireland the same way its just as possible many remain. Without the facts no one can make such an assertion either way.

Congratulations for finding the word failed. It was a completely didn't point. Read the entire post two or three times it might help.

matt360 · 01-10-2019 9:31am

WB Yokes wrote: »

Has this been confirmed?

Sean Lyons confirmed it this morning in Galway Bay FM

MOC1972 · 01-10-2019 9:49am

matt360 wrote: »

Sean Lyons confirmed it this morning in Galway Bay FM

Hopefully all in government will wake up and realise theres much better ways of doing things.

But that requires common sense which is not so common.

Critiqued · 01-10-2019 10:15am

matt360 wrote: »

Sean Lyons confirmed it this morning in Galway Bay FM

Nice little victory for the people of Oughterard their perseverance has paid off. Well done.

Boggles · 01-10-2019 10:16am

Pretty obvious conclusion.

Mr. teddywinkles · 01-10-2019 10:41am

Which town or village will be picked next.

ToBeFrank123 · 01-10-2019 10:52am

The asylum accommodation and processing system is broken.

We shouldn't be accommodating "asylum seekers" from countries like Georgia, Albania or Brazil for example. I wanted to include Nigeria in that list but know the racist card would be played from the usual quarters if I did.

Other than those from Syria, applicants from the countries mentioned should be dealt with and processed in their own country. No ifs, buts or maybes. Post in your application with supporting material such as police reports, etc. If you are eligible, you are invited to Ireland, if not you remain where you are. This would put an end to the fake asylum seeker industry in this country which is costing us hundreds of millions annually.

Bullocks · 01-10-2019 10:52am

Good to see a small town standing up for itself against a move like that. Fair play to the people that committed themselves to the protest over the last while

Critiqued · 01-10-2019 10:53am

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Which town or village will be picked next.

Termonbarry, Co.Roscommon is next for plantation.

Bullocks · 01-10-2019 10:56am

Critiqued wrote: »

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Which town or village will be picked next.

Termonbarry, Co.Roscommon is next for plantation.

Now that's an isolated spot!

Critiqued · 01-10-2019 10:58am

Bullocks wrote: »

Now that's an isolated spot!

It certainly is. It's a beautiful little town.

ToBeFrank123 · 01-10-2019 10:59am

Bullocks wrote: »

Now that's an isolated spot!

And also tiny. How many GPs or school places have they?

Have the government learned nothing? You cannot shoehorn hundreds of new people into a small community who are not prepared and don't have the resources to cope.

I suppose this community will be the next to be unfairly labelled racist.

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