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Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Are you seriously questioning the chart?
This is widely reported via a nonpartisan fact tank, surprised you haven't heard of them yet. maybe read up on the issue of european mass migration a bit more?

I know it's hard to believe 20% for Sweden, but their 'high sceanario' model presents Sweden as being 30% Muslim 2050, all within a matter of decades, if that isn't a form of cultural mass replacement, what is.

If it proved to be true then so what. Australia, New Zealand, Israel, North America and South America were all historical cultural mass replacements. The world spins.....

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Projected percentages. From what scaremongering rightist source? Not the Pew again?

Projection is the only way to predict the future, unless you're actually sitting up a great big crystal ball and have briliant psychic tendencies.

You know what 'nonpartisan fact tank' means? Ok.

Btw, there is a projected storm this weekend for the NW, would you instantly dismiss this 'forecast' (because you don't like the rain), all because it hasn't happened yet? ...Clever.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

If it proved to be true then so what. Australia, New Zealand, Israel, North America and South America were all historical cultural mass replacements. The world spins.....

Really was only a matter of time before the lazy, distant historical whataboutery card comes out.

Happyilylost

Seathrun66 wrote: »

You denied referring to 'failed asylum seekers'. You question was 'where did I say failed asylum seekers'. I then pointed it out to you on your post - twice. Now three times. No revision, just denial of clear posts on your part. Stop digging.

Keep making things up. Suits you just fine.

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

We give a hearing to anyone claiming persecution, irrespective of nationality.

At a cost of tens of millions, and with these scammers lumped in with genuine refugees, creating a hellhole for everyone.

While you lecture us all from your comfortable middle class home no doubt.

Sometimes you just have to tell the scammers to f*ck off, something our politicians will never do.

We don't want to upset our EU overlords after all.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

A portion of the African contenent which will be '2bn people' by 2050, about four times more populated than the EU.


What exactly will the generally unskilled be working as, during/after automation wipes out all the unskilled roles? all Dr's & Engineers, is it?


Legally. Yes if Paddy has a work visa/permit can work. No visa, then no work.

Yep. A small portion.

Doctor and engineer roles before the unskilled in current automaton research predictions.

No Irish illegals abroad you say?

Boggles

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Projection is the only way to predict the future, unless you're actually sitting up a great big crystal ball and have briliant psychic tendencies.

You know what 'nonpartisan fact tank' means? Ok.

Projection is not a fact.

Anyway link to the data when you get a chance my good man.


Mods were pretty clear on this especially in this thread.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Projection is the only way to predict the future, unless you're actually sitting up a great big crystal ball and have briliant psychic tendencies.

You know what 'nonpartisan fact tank' means? Ok.

Btw, there is a projected storm this weekend for the NW, would you instantly dismiss this 'forecast' (because you don't like the rain), all because it hasn't happened yet? ...Clever.

Non-partisan in whose subjective view?

Calhoun

Seathrun66 wrote: »

It's not due to out EU membership that we take in refugees. That'd just set off the anti-EU lobby on boards. We are signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 Protocol. And that will not change.

Even though we are not compelled by the EU membership to take in refugees I think it is still a bit rich on us to just sit and let Italy or Greece do all the heavy lifting while we enjoy their support on Brexit.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

As for Ireland we have a veto and have barely taken half the minuscule amount of migrants we pledged to.

Rightfully so ,

Ireland first feck the rest of the world ,

Were still paying billions in bailouts we've a massive housing shortage , homeless problem ,
A failing health service ,not enough education resources for children with extra or special needs ,

And yet some people want us to take more asylum seekers ,
17% + of the population is non nationals or foreign born for a population of 4 + million maybe be it's time for an Ireland first policy ,
Fix our problems before introducing half of Africa Pakistan Afghanistan Albanians problems

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

17% + of the population is non nationals or foreign born for a population of 4 + million maybe be it's time for an Ireland first policy ,

That 17% are more likely to be employed than Irish Nationals.

Maybe you need to stay off the loon sites and base an opinion on verifiable facts.

You are letting yourself down big time lad.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Really was only a matter of time before the lazy, distant historical whataboutery card comes out.

I don't believe you understand whataboutery.

Historical comparisons are essential. Borders change, populations change. Europe is changing in a globalised world.

4068ac1elhodqr

Boggles wrote: »

I can't question it, that's the point. It's a random chart / picture that anyone could have cobbled together. Please provide a link to who compiled it.

The fact is, this displays your ignorance about something, an expert like yourself on this issue, should have a bit of prior knowledge of. You've never seen this report before, or it's charts? Or maybe you've just tried to forget.

Boggles wrote: »

They are projected figures for 2050.
Are you familiar with what a fact is?

Please bring me some facts from 2050, a year which hasn't occured as yet.
Even from 2020, 'anything at all' will do. Is time travel possible yet?

ToBeFrank123

Again, when Dublin South has its fair share of DPCs we will take the pro DPC advocates seriously.

Virtually everyone is agreed that DPCs are a bad idea, but particularly in small rural communities. They are bad for the community but they are particularly bad for the refugees themselves. Even migrants groups have said that.

Boggles

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

The fact is, this displays your ignorance about something, an expert like yourself on this issue, should have a bit of prior knowledge of. You've never seen this report before, or it's charts? Or maybe you've just tried to forget.

No.

Link please?

What's the problem?

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

At a cost of tens of millions, and with these scammers lumped in with genuine refugees, creating a hellhole for everyone.

While you lecture us all from your comfortable middle class home no doubt.

Sometimes you just have to tell the scammers to f*ck off, something our politicians will never do.

We don't want to upset our EU overlords after all.

Nothing to do with the EU.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Non-partisan in whose subjective view?

Question everything you don't like, better still - just call it fake news!
Fake news!



https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/


Even with zero migration, the muslim population of the EU will grow.
Sweden will suffer the most.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

That 17% are more likely to be employed than Irish Nationals.

What are you complaining about now .

Seathrun66

Happyilylost wrote: »

Keep making things up. Suits you just fine.

From your post on 30 September at 15.21:

Someone guessing is not gone. Also the word gone wasn't used. You could change the sentence to "it is hardly surprising they would go underground before being forcibly removed by the Gardaí" and it would have the same amount of fact. Asylum seekers fall off the grid all the time. Some reappear again. Others stay hidden. And yes. Some leave. At least I would be willing to admit it is possible that all failed asylum seekers leave Ireland the same way its just as possible many remain. Without the facts no one can make such an assertion either way.

From your post on 30 September at 15.45:

Where did I say failed?

The third time I've had to post this for you. Or you want to claim a hacking?

You can go back and retrospectively edit it but your posts are up. And very clear. Stop digging. It's undignified.

malinheader

At last sense has prevailed. Hopefully it's the beginning of the end for the direct provision nonsense.

Gatling

Seathrun66 wrote: »

From your post on 30

Day 5

Cordell

Seathrun66 wrote: »

If it proved to be true then so what. Australia, New Zealand, Israel, North America and South America were all historical cultural mass replacements. The world spins.....

We shouldn't allow the world to spin backwards.

Seathrun66

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

At a cost of tens of millions, and with these scammers lumped in with genuine refugees, creating a hellhole for everyone.

While you lecture us all from your comfortable middle class home no doubt.

Sometimes you just have to tell the scammers to f*ck off, something our politicians will never do.

We don't want to upset our EU overlords after all.

Ireland a hellhole? Europe a hellhole?

Asylum seekers who aren't genuine get deported. Their life as asylum seekers ain't a barrel of laughs.

Gatling

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Asylum seekers who aren't genuine get deported.

Have you a link to anything to back up your claim

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Ireland a hellhole? Europe a hellhole?

Asylum seekers who aren't genuine get deported. Their life as asylum seekers ain't a barrel of laughs.

I didn't say Ireland or Europe would be a hellhole.

I said DPCs would be a hellhole for the refugees, particularly the genuine ones, created a hellhole by the hundreds of fake asylum seekers from places like Albania and Georgia. I'm glad to clarify that for you.

Seathrun66

Gatling wrote: »

Rightfully so ,

Ireland first feck the rest of the world ,

Were still paying billions in bailouts we've a massive housing shortage , homeless problem ,
A failing health service ,not enough education resources for children with extra or special needs ,

And yet some people want us to take more asylum seekers ,
17% + of the population is non nationals or foreign born for a population of 4 + million maybe be it's time for an Ireland first policy ,
Fix our problems before introducing half of Africa Pakistan Afghanistan Albanians problems

Yet again you come up with incorrect figures. 11.6% non-Irish nations at the last census in 2016. Government figures. Yet you just made up a random figure of 2017. As you did with figures for asylum rejections, etc.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

ToBeFrank123

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Ireland a hellhole? Europe a hellhole?

Asylum seekers who aren't genuine get deported. Their life as asylum seekers ain't a barrel of laughs.

Afters years and tens of thousands spent on accommodation and legal fees for each one.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Question everything you don't like, better still - just call it fake news!
Fake news!



https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/


Even with zero migration, the muslim population of the EU will grow.
Sweden will suffer the most.

Why the use of the word 'suffer'?

Seathrun66

Boggles wrote: »

That 17% are more likely to be employed than Irish Nationals.

Maybe you need to stay off the loon sites and base an opinion on verifiable facts.

You are letting yourself down big time lad.

His figure is way off. For the third day in a row. Consistent lies and challenges the factual figures when presented from government sources, Irish Times, etc. I don't think he's getting figures from other sites but just using random figures from his head.

Gatling

Seathrun66 wrote: »

His figure is way off.

Way off a few percent off at absolute most -some lie


Now back up your claims please