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    #1622
    deiseach
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    (Loving the sponsor's bit. Someone will be put out.)

    https://twitter.com/wlrfm/status/1036895893696466944


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    #1623
    914
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    IanVW wrote: »
    https://www.wlrfm.com/2018/09/04/planning-granted-for-walsh-park-development-in-waterford/

    "Executive officer, Councillor John O’Leary says he believes this expansion will meet the needs for Munster Championship games in Waterford."

    He believes? Surely it either is or it isnt??

    It will be meet the needs for some games but not others. If a game is a dead rubber or home to limerick or clare the attendance will be grant. Club championship gran, league fixtures grans.

    At home to cork or tipp or a final game where winning would mean qualification attendance won't be plenty full.

    Either way I would like to think once completed we won't have to play away from home again


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    #1624
    Deiseen
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    25,000 to 30,000 would be ideal but this is what we have.

    Its a start and who knows, maybe in 5-10 years they can expand further.


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    #1625
    deisedude
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    Deiseen wrote: »
    25,000 to 30,000 would be ideal but this is what we have.

    Its a start and who knows, maybe in 5-10 years they can expand further.

    Pointless having a stadium that big that will be full once in a blue moon. Look at the fanbase Munster have and their stadium is only that size.


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    #1626
    Deiseen
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    deisedude wrote: »
    Deiseen wrote: »
    25,000 to 30,000 would be ideal but this is what we have.

    Its a start and who knows, maybe in 5-10 years they can expand further.

    Pointless having a stadium that big that will be full once in a blue moon. Look at the fanbase Munster have and their stadium is only that size.

    As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.


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    #1627
    DiscoStew
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    Deiseen wrote: »
    As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

    Yet Ennis was fine to host games this year? When we are fixed to play Munster games in 2020 at home, provided we have it all sorted, we will be hosting it. Whether it’s cork, Tipp, Limerick or Clare won’t matter a damn. Kildare showed that very clearly this year.


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    #1628
    deisedude
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    Deiseen wrote: »
    As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

    I just think the whole GAA idea of having these massive stadiums that might be full once a year is stupid and complete waste of money

    Is it such a bad thing that bandwagoners can't get a ticket to a game every now and again?

    Going back to Munster as an example they regularly sell out games in Europe but then its half empty for the Pro 14 but you dont hear people saying the stadium should be bigger


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    #1629
    deiseach
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    Deiseen wrote: »
    As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

    There was a crowd of 20,782 at Tipperary's home game against Clare this year, yet 15,500 won't be enough to accommodate all the fans they might bring to an away game in Waterford?


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    #1630
    Deiseen
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    deiseach wrote: »
    Deiseen wrote: »
    As someone said, this stadium will fit certain needs. It won't be near enough for a championship game against Tipp, Wexford, Kilkenny or Cork. You could probably add Limerick and Clare to that now that they are strong again.

    There was a crowd of 20,782 at Tipperary's home game against Clare this year, yet 15,500 won't be enough to accommodate all the fans they might bring to an away game in Waterford?

    Problem with Thurles is that everyone has to commute.

    With Walsh Park you have 50,000 Waterford people with easy access. Plus the novelty of having championship in Waterford should last a few years.

    Hard to say whether that makes it more likely to fill is hard to say but it's certainly more accessible than Semple.

    Don't forget the government is targeting massive growth in Waterford up to 2040. This stadium is fine now, will it be fine when we have a much bigger population?


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    #1631
    deiseach
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    Walsh Park and 'easy access'. I thought I was a glass-half-full kind of guy but you have me beat there, Deiseen.


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    #1632
    deiseach
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    deisedude wrote: »
    Is it such a bad thing that bandwagoners can't get a ticket to a game every now and again?

    I think people really understate the value of this. We played Clare in 2012 and 2013 in Thurles and the crowd at each game barely scraped past 12,000. A home-and-away arrangement would have worked just fine (Walsh Park was able to comfortably host a crowd in the region of 9,000 for the Under-21 final against Tipperary in 2016) and there might have been all manner of rí rá agus ruaille buaille in and around the grounds rather than everyone rattling around a stadium capable of accommodating a crowd four times the size. This also applies to League games and county finals, which will be the staple of the venue. Small can be beautiful.


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    #1633
    914
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    Deiseen wrote: »
    Problem with Thurles is that everyone has to commute.

    With Walsh Park you have 50,000 Waterford people with easy access. Plus the novelty of having championship in Waterford should last a few years.

    Hard to say whether that makes it more likely to fill is hard to say but it's certainly more accessible than Semple.

    Don't forget the government is targeting massive growth in Waterford up to 2040. This stadium is fine now, will it be fine when we have a much bigger population?

    Waterford city and county population is somewhere between 90k and 100k. Corks population is 500k and have yet to see PUC full.

    Limerick population is 200k and have yet to see the gaelic grounds full.

    Tipps population is 160k and not one of their home games was full this year. 20k at tipp v clare.

    Walsh park will be more than enough. 5k and 7k at Kilkenny and wexford in this years home league games, 2k at last year's county final.

    Get the diggers in and get it done.


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    #1634
    Deiseen
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    914 wrote: »
    Deiseen wrote: »
    Problem with Thurles is that everyone has to commute.

    With Walsh Park you have 50,000 Waterford people with easy access. Plus the novelty of having championship in Waterford should last a few years.

    Hard to say whether that makes it more likely to fill is hard to say but it's certainly more accessible than Semple.

    Don't forget the government is targeting massive growth in Waterford up to 2040. This stadium is fine now, will it be fine when we have a much bigger population?

    Waterford city and county population is somewhere between 90k and 100k. Corks population is 500k and have yet to see PUC full.

    Limerick population is 200k and have yet to see the gaelic grounds full.

    Tipps population is 160k and not one of their home games was full this year. 20k at tipp v clare.

    Walsh park will be more than enough. 5k and 7k at Kilkenny and wexford in this years home league games, 2k at last year's county final.

    Get the diggers in and get it done.

    Agreed.

    Easier to assess demand then when it's actually in use and see if more is needed.


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    #1635
    killbillvol2
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    People are underestimating the advantage of playing at home in a tight ground with the crowd close to the pitch. 15,000 in Walsh park for a championship game will create a great atmosphere and give us, for the first time in years, an actual home "advantage".


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    #1636
    Deiseen
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    killbillvol2 wrote: »
    People are underestimating the advantage of playing at home in a tight ground with the crowd close to the pitch. 15,000 in Walsh park for a championship game will create a great atmosphere and give us, for the first time in years, an actual home "advantage".

    Jesus, it wiill be mighty so it will.


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    #1637
    Relhcstirt
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    killbillvol2 wrote: »
    People are underestimating the advantage of playing at home in a tight ground with the crowd close to the pitch. 15,000 in Walsh park for a championship game will create a great atmosphere and give us, for the first time in years, an actual home "advantage".
    That's a definate. Wexford park had over 17,000 only once since redeveopment. Capacity is about the 25k Mark.


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    #1638
    mountgomery burns
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    Will they dig up the pitch while they're at it?


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    #1639
    914
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    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Will they dig up the pitch while they're at it?


    I would like to think they would improve drainage etc...


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    #1640
    Mulbert
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    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    Will they dig up the pitch while they're at it?

    No reason why they can't develop a good surface up there. The RSC is in an actual bog/marsh and it's one of the best field surfaces in the country.

    Get the Corpo (County Council) boys in!


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    #1641
    thesaturdayman
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    914 wrote: »
    Waterford city and county population is somewhere between 90k and 100k. Corks population is 500k and have yet to see PUC full.

    Limerick population is 200k and have yet to see the gaelic grounds full.

    Tipps population is 160k and not one of their home games was full this year. 20k at tipp v clare.

    Walsh park will be more than enough. 5k and 7k at Kilkenny and wexford in this years home league games, 2k at last year's county final.

    Get the diggers in and get it done.

    Some misinformation there.

    Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

    Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.


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    #1642
    thesaturdayman
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    914 wrote: »
    I would like to think they would improve drainage etc...

    it is also the smallest pitch in the hurling championship for teams competing for liam mccarthy, not at all conducive to our hurling.

    we have the lowest win % in a home ground for all the teams competing for all Ireland for league and champ games going back to 1998 & also the lowest scoring average.

    Our best performances have come in Pairc ui Caoimh 60 odd % winning percentage, Nowlan park about the same & Thurles.

    They are numbers 1, 2 & 3 in pitch size in Ireland.

    Our worst ground is Limerick - 13% winning ratio. tightest pitch but not the smallest.

    Of course the county board know all of this information!!


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    #1643
    DiscoStew
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    thesaturdayman wrote: »
    Some misinformation there.

    Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

    Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

    Limerick full for game against Waterford?? As in this year? Surely you are joking? There was roughly 20,000 at that game. Capacity being around 50,000!


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    #1644
    thesaturdayman
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    DiscoStew wrote: »
    Limerick full for game against Waterford?? As in this year? Surely you are joking? There was roughly 20,000 at that game. Capacity being around 50,000!

    My mistake on Waterford game, stands were packed, far terrace wasn't. it was about 24-25k alright but not a sell out.


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    #1645
    Deiseen
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    thesaturdayman wrote: »
    914 wrote: »
    I would like to think they would improve drainage etc...

    it is also the smallest pitch in the hurling championship for teams competing for liam mccarthy, not at all conducive to our hurling.

    we have the lowest win % in a home ground for all the teams competing for all Ireland for league and champ games going back to 1998 & also the lowest scoring average.

    Our best performances have come in Pairc ui Caoimh 60 odd % winning percentage, Nowlan park about the same & Thurles.

    They are numbers 1, 2 & 3 in pitch size in Ireland.

    Our worst ground is Limerick - 13% winning ratio. tightest pitch but not the smallest.

    Of course the county board know all of this information!!

    Hasn't it been disproved that Walsh Park is not as tight as everyone thinks it is? The ground is definitely tight but the pitch isn't small.


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    #1646
    tonc76
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    Deiseen wrote: »
    Hasn't it been disproved that Walsh Park is not as tight as everyone thinks it is? The ground is definitely tight but the pitch isn't small.

    Rough measurement on Google Maps gives 145m long x 80m wide. Not sure how that measures up against other grounds.


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    #1647
    914
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    thesaturdayman wrote: »
    Some misinformation there.

    Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

    Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

    Attendance for limerick v waterford 23,194 (gaelic grounds capacity just shy of 50k)

    Attendance for cork v limerick 34,607 (PUC capacity (45000)

    Far from full in both your suggestions.

    Clares population is similar to waterfords a bit more 120k and they couldn't fill cusack for their game against us 13k or so attended.

    Think that shows walsh will be more than capable


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    #1648
    914
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    tonc76 wrote: »
    Rough measurement on Google Maps gives 145m long x 80m wide. Not sure how that measures up against other grounds.

    Croke park 145m long by 88m wide


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    #1649
    Deiseen
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    tonc76 wrote: »
    Deiseen wrote: »
    Hasn't it been disproved that Walsh Park is not as tight as everyone thinks it is? The ground is definitely tight but the pitch isn't small.

    Rough measurement on Google Maps gives 145m long x 80m wide. Not sure how that measures up against other grounds.

    Semple is also 145m X 80m. Semple looks bigger due to the high stands. WP looks tiny as you are never more than a few metres above the pitch, giving the impression that it's tiny.


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    #1650
    enoughtaken
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    914 wrote: »
    thesaturdayman wrote: »
    Some misinformation there.

    Limerick full for game against Waterford, Cork full for game against Limerick. Thats this year alone.

    Ed Sheeran packed it out twice too.

    Attendance for limerick v waterford 23,194 (gaelic grounds capacity just shy of 50k)

    Attendance for cork v limerick 34,607 (PUC capacity (45000)

    Far from full in both your suggestions.

    Clares population is similar to waterfords a bit more 120k and they couldn't fill cusack for their game against us 13k or so attended.

    Think that shows walsh will be more than capable

    100% correct. If They can get pitch right should make a good stadium. For all there shortfalls you have to give them credit for getting planning permission over the line.


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    #1651
    deiseach
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    thesaturdayman wrote: »
    it is also the smallest pitch in the hurling championship for teams competing for liam mccarthy, not at all conducive to our hurling.

    we have the lowest win % in a home ground for all the teams competing for all Ireland for league and champ games going back to 1998 & also the lowest scoring average.

    Our best performances have come in Pairc ui Caoimh 60 odd % winning percentage, Nowlan park about the same & Thurles.

    They are numbers 1, 2 & 3 in pitch size in Ireland.

    Our worst ground is Limerick - 13% winning ratio. tightest pitch but not the smallest.

    Of course the county board know all of this information!!

    Can you please explain how you came by these figures before I waste my time trying to mash together League and Championship results? In the meantime, these are our Championship records for the grounds mentioned since 1998:

    Walsh Park P5 W5 D0 L0 100%
    Semple Stadium P38 W20 D5 L13 59%
    Páirc Uí Chaoimh P10 W5 L5 50%
    Gaelic Grounds P4 W0 D1 L3 13%
    Nowlan Park P2 W0 D0 L2 0%


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