Love/Hate [ Spoilers ]

FloatingVoter · 16-10-2013 6:49pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Brian "tosser" Mehan was named so because he had a pedal and crank in the garda car in front of a female and then mooned her asking would she prefer his arse!

This is true. The last Evening Herald Star we had who behaved like a TV gangster was The Monk. So called because of the low drink, no drug intake and the ability to stare at a spot on the wall for 48 hours straight.
A bad karaoke routine would be listed as a good way to spend the afternoon for the cops real-life counterparts.

power pants · 16-10-2013 6:52pm

Season 5 should just be about the women in the brothel, showing them trying out new linergie and techniques on their clients. Fran is the guinea pig and nidge gives marks out of 10

tayto lover · 16-10-2013 6:58pm

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Frans dance routine is about all they could get away with showing on national TV regarding how your average career gangster behaves when "helping Gardai with their enquiries". One charmer (recently deceased) had a habit of defecating in his hand and placing the result on the interview room table.
The dentist is a happy accident for Nidge...in the real world our dentist pal would probably have wound up contacting a loanshark. From there, Nidge would still be an inevitable destination for him.

If I was a garda and that happened i'd rub his nose in it like the dog he is.
Feckin animal wouldn't do that.

Galwayguy35 · 16-10-2013 6:59pm

Is there going to be a season 5?

FloatingVoter · 16-10-2013 7:59pm

tayto lover wrote: »

If I was a garda and that happened i'd rub his nose in it like the dog he is.
Feckin animal wouldn't do that.

That's what they look for in a guard. They do the detention, you do the assault and they'll take the compo and your job.
Smiling politely while they perform like apes in the safe knowledge that they'll be gun fodder within a few years is a better approach.

tayto lover · 16-10-2013 8:03pm

FloatingVoter wrote: »

That's what they look for in a guard. They do the detention, you do the assault and they'll take the compo and your job.
Smiling politely while they perform like apes in the safe knowledge that they'll be gun fodder within a few years is a better approach.

I wouldn't have the temperament for that job.
He'd do that, i'd clock him and probably be sacked.
Takes a special breed for that kind of job. I could only work with the 4 legged animals i'm afraid.

Temaz · 16-10-2013 8:44pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Is there going to be a season 5?

You could probably bet your house that there will be.

Lucy and Harry · 16-10-2013 8:50pm

So Elmo is basically being set up to be killed because the Gardai are pretending he is a rat and spraying it all over walls etc.
He should be going to jail not be given the death penalty by cops.I would like to see all this Tango squad shot to bits in a blood bath.
If Nidge and Fran die I do not think we will be having a season 5.We already have John Boy and Darren gone any more and it would not be the same.

I also do think Fran and Tommy going for a trip to buy fanta in his van spells out trouble for Tommy.
I think his lovely partner will be crying again.Maybe it will turn her into a rat...

deise08 · 16-10-2013 9:36pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Is there going to be a season 5?

From what I remember hearing after last season gettin such a good response, rte commissioned another two seasons for sure. They had to completely cut the drama Raw to be able to fund Love/Hate.couldn't afford to run two prime dramas and our nidgey and the boys won. so there's plenty more to come

BertMark · 16-10-2013 9:39pm

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

So Elmo is basically being set up to be killed because the Gardai are pretending he is a rat and spraying it all over walls etc.
He should be going to jail not be given the death penalty by cops.I would like to see all this Tango squad shot to bits in a blood bath.
If Nidge and Fran die I do not think we will be having a season 5.We already have John Boy and Darren gone any more and it would not be the same.

I also do think Fran and Tommy going for a trip to buy fanta in his van spells out trouble for Tommy.
I think his lovely partner will be crying again.Maybe it will turn her into a rat...

There's absolutely no way there won't be a season 5. The show is RTE's biggest success for many, many years. They're not going to kill that off before they have to.

BuilderPlumber · 16-10-2013 9:54pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Is there going to be a season 5?

It is officially sanctioned for a series 5

BuilderPlumber · 16-10-2013 9:58pm

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

So Elmo is basically being set up to be killed because the Gardai are pretending he is a rat and spraying it all over walls etc.
He should be going to jail not be given the death penalty by cops.I would like to see all this Tango squad shot to bits in a blood bath.
If Nidge and Fran die I do not think we will be having a season 5.We already have John Boy and Darren gone any more and it would not be the same.

I also do think Fran and Tommy going for a trip to buy fanta in his van spells out trouble for Tommy.
I think his lovely partner will be crying again.Maybe it will turn her into a rat...

I think the cops are setting up Elmo to be attacked so as to pin intention of murder on Nidge or Fran. The gardai will not let Elmo get killed I'm sure but want to catch the others with intention to kill. I think Nidge will be too clever to fall into this trap though somehow and Fran too.

BuilderPlumber · 16-10-2013 10:23pm

ectoraige wrote: »

I really like how the first two episodes have set up the rest of the season, the story could pan out in so many ways. Love/hate keeps challenging the characters' loyalties, and Siobhán's are surely going to be tested; it's not clear if she still loves the man Tommy has become. I know Tommy gave Debbie the shove previously but if she's still around she might yet break any loyalty Siobhán has for Tommy, perhaps leading to her giving Nidge a timely warning.

I also don't know if the scenes involving Warren are setting us up for his death, it seems a bit heavy-handed for Carolan. If a child dies, it might be an innocent, or the young scobie himself. I think the writer is clearly testing Nidge's loyalties towards his family. He has said before that all he cares about is himself and his children - even excluding Trish from that. Not only is he paranoid, but he's cowardly too. His instincts in the last season were to run from the 'ra, it wasn't until Darren rescued him from Dano that Nidge really took the problem on, which ultimately took the form of sacrificing Darren. Previously he had Darren take out John Boy, rather than doing it himself.

I don't think Dano's attack will succeed - Lizzie's resolve is already shakey as it is, and should they plan to hit the communion she may fail to carry through. She already killed the man she loved, but that was deeply personal - I don't think she'll be able to do it again, despite her tough-woman act. Nidge's instinctual response on an attack on his family might be to go on the run, especially with the gang falling apart over Elmo. However, his escape could end up hinging on Siobhán's assistance, and by that time it might be a very difficult position for her. She could end up turning against both Tommy and Nidge.

The obvious end to the season will be with Nidge in custody leaving Fran running things. Dano will likely be dead, as will Elmo, with Fran bringing in his own crew to exploit the dentist. Of all the characters in Love/Hate, Fran has been the only one who's ability to make decisions has not been compromised by feeling or loyalties to others. He's the true evil in all of this. He just hasn't had the drive to take over, but at this point I don't think he needs Nidge for anything. I can't see Nidge in prison being able to exert much influence, despite having John Boy's money.

Same here. Wayne will I predict botch the hit on Nidge but he will kill or injure someone close to Nidge I predict (Warren). There will be challenges on Nidge's career choice from Trish I'm sure? Nidge will kill Wayne, Tony will find out and Dano will I'm sure end up dead and could indeed have a combination of Nidge, Tony and even Lizzie as enemies.

Fran is emerging as a very strong character and he will no doubt take advantage of all the problems Nidge has. Although Fran was involved in many of the same issues, it is Nidge who is centre of attention.

Gadgetman496 · 16-10-2013 10:26pm

Did Nidge ever actually kill anybody himself?

deise08 · 16-10-2013 10:28pm

gadgetman496 wrote: »

Did Nidge ever actually kill anybody himself?

Nearly killed Fran's wife Linda. But did kill tLuke the stalker

Joziburg · 16-10-2013 10:30pm

deise08 wrote: »

killed Fran's wife Linda. and Luke the stalker

She not do herself in - obv he did throw the pipe bomb but that was before. Am I missing something?

Gadgetman496 · 16-10-2013 10:31pm

deise08 wrote: »

Nearly killed Fran's wife Linda. But did kill tLuke the stalker

Jesus it's only the 4th season and already I need to go back and watch the first 3 again

deise08 · 16-10-2013 10:33pm

Joziburg wrote: »

She not do herself in - obv he did throw the pipe bomb but that was before. Am I missing something?

Sorry bout that

had a blonde moment there

edited it to say nearly

thanks

Joziburg · 16-10-2013 10:34pm

deise08 wrote: »

Sorry bout that had a blonde moment there edited it to say nearly thanks

haha...just noticed that

BuilderPlumber · 16-10-2013 10:39pm

gadgetman496 wrote: »

Did Nidge ever actually kill anybody himself?

Luke is the only one from what I can recall. And I watched all the DVDs just before the start of the new series.

BuilderPlumber · 16-10-2013 10:42pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Luke is the only one from what I can recall. And I watched all the DVDs just before the start of the new series.

Darren did nearly all the killing so far. Hughie killed 3: Robbie, Martin the traveller and himself. Nidge killed Luke. Lizzie killed Darren. The others I don't think killed anyone. Fran has not killed anyone yet?

deise08 · 16-10-2013 10:44pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Luke is the only one from what I can recall. And I watched all the DVDs just before the start of the new series.

What bout that guy he blasted at his front door who kept sayin he didn't have enough money but had a big gold watch and game consoles n stuff. did he actually kill him? He would be the first if he died

BuilderPlumber · 16-10-2013 10:48pm

deise08 wrote: »

What bout that guy he blasted at his front door who kept sayin he didn't have enough money but had a big gold watch and game consoles n stuff. did he actually kill him? He would be the first if he died

No, he was not killed.

NoClues · 16-10-2013 11:11pm

Not sure if it's been posted yet about the controversial garda (Kieran O'Reilly), his band are actually pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk5tEHyJ2h8

CaptainFreedom · 16-10-2013 11:39pm

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Fran has not killed anyone yet?

He shot and killed Mickah, the getaway driver when Tommy made the failed attempt to clip Fran

ivan itchyarse · 17-10-2013 12:04am

any one notice nidge is drivin the exact jeep in this series which was riddled with bullets in the last series,

Gadgetman496 · 17-10-2013 12:08am

ivan itchyarse wrote: »

any one notice nidge is drivin the exact jeep in this series which was riddled with bullets in the last series,

Already explained pages back!

He got it fixed on his insurance between seasons

Amazingfun · 17-10-2013 2:55am

gadgetman496 wrote: »

Jesus it's only the 4th season and already I need to go back and watch the first 3 again

I just watched every episode again and am now into Season 3.

I rarely watch things twice, but like you, I needed a refresher on a few bits, and I am sooooo glad I did it for this show was even more delicious the second time round

thesandeman · 17-10-2013 3:52am

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Darren did nearly all the killing so far. Hughie killed 3: Robbie, Martin the traveller and himself. Nidge killed Luke. Lizzie killed Darren. The others I don't think killed anyone. Fran has not killed anyone yet?

You forgot the most brutal one!!! Wayne killed the cat!!

lufties · 17-10-2013 4:45am

ectoraige wrote: »

I really like how the first two episodes have set up the rest of the season, the story could pan out in so many ways. Love/hate keeps challenging the characters' loyalties, and Siobhán's are surely going to be tested; it's not clear if she still loves the man Tommy has become. I know Tommy gave Debbie the shove previously but if she's still around she might yet break any loyalty Siobhán has for Tommy, perhaps leading to her giving Nidge a timely warning.

I also don't know if the scenes involving Warren are setting us up for his death, it seems a bit heavy-handed for Carolan. If a child dies, it might be an innocent, or the young scobie himself. I think the writer is clearly testing Nidge's loyalties towards his family. He has said before that all he cares about is himself and his children - even excluding Trish from that. Not only is he paranoid, but he's cowardly too. His instincts in the last season were to run from the 'ra, it wasn't until Darren rescued him from Dano that Nidge really took the problem on, which ultimately took the form of sacrificing Darren. Previously he had Darren take out John Boy, rather than doing it himself.

I don't think Dano's attack will succeed - Lizzie's resolve is already shakey as it is, and should they plan to hit the communion she may fail to carry through. She already killed the man she loved, but that was deeply personal - I don't think she'll be able to do it again, despite her tough-woman act. Nidge's instinctual response on an attack on his family might be to go on the run, especially with the gang falling apart over Elmo. However, his escape could end up hinging on Siobhán's assistance, and by that time it might be a very difficult position for her. She could end up turning against both Tommy and Nidge.

The obvious end to the season will be with Nidge in custody leaving Fran running things. Dano will likely be dead, as will Elmo, with Fran bringing in his own crew to exploit the dentist. Of all the characters in Love/Hate, Fran has been the only one who's ability to make decisions has not been compromised by feeling or loyalties to others. He's the true evil in all of this. He just hasn't had the drive to take over, but at this point I don't think he needs Nidge for anything. I can't see Nidge in prison being able to exert much influence, despite having John Boy's money.

Sounds like a good summation, Fran seems to be cracking a bit after being arrested and getting a bit of a hiding from Noely, I can see him turning against Nidge and taking things into his own hands.

Recently the cast said they all clapped for Tom V Lawler when filming the series was wrapped, whatever that indicates I reckon either way its gonna be an intense climax;)

lufties · 17-10-2013 4:55am

Left Back on the Bench wrote: »

can see Fran and nidge falling out. nidge is getting too paranoid to be in charge but Fran seems to be too gung ho to be in charge.when Fran puts tommy in the van next wk,he'll say something line "nidge shouldve finished you off" and i think it will trigger the fallout of Fran and nidge and jog tommys memory who will tell all to detective moynihan.think this will be only part,as i said the show so far has everyone guessing and they've alot to squeeze into 4 episodes

The first two episodes haven't been much in the way of drama, hopefully the next four will make up for it, I've enjoyed the first 2 but the pace needs to pick up a bit.

NIMAN · 17-10-2013 5:10am

So hold on a minute, this real life undercover drugs cop is now a front man in a band, and an actor in Ireland No1 show.

Thats his day job buggered then!

Kenny Logins · 17-10-2013 9:25am

gadgetman496 wrote: »

Did Nidge ever actually kill anybody himself?

The lad that broke the swan?

Ash.J.Williams · 17-10-2013 9:52am

Amazingfun wrote: »

I just watched every episode again and am now into Season 3.

I rarely watch things twice, but like you, I needed a refresher on a few bits, and I am sooooo glad I did it for this show was even more delicious the second time round

which do you prefer 2 or 3? I'm watching 2 at the minute ..great stuff!

wirelessdude01 · 17-10-2013 9:55am

NIMAN wrote: »

So hold on a minute, this real life undercover drugs cop is now a front man in a band, and an actor in Ireland No1 show.

Thats his day job buggered then!

Reported today that he stepped back from undercover work in Feb and is now a standard Garda again.

FloatingVoter · 17-10-2013 11:37am

February would have been around the time he was shooting this. I suppose its inevitable he'll never work undercover again. Love/Hate is the most popular TV show in Irish jails after all.

AnonoBoy · 17-10-2013 11:53am

FloatingVoter wrote: »

February would have been around the time he was shooting this. I suppose its inevitable he'll never work undercover again. Love/Hate is the most popular TV show in Irish jails after all.

Yeah. All this talk of him being investigated now is just publicity nonsense I'd say. It was already stated he talked to his superiors before taking the role.

He's made his decision long ago.

Amazingfun · 17-10-2013 2:25pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

which do you prefer 2 or 3? I'm watching 2 at the minute ..great stuff!

They were both brilliant, but if I had to choose, I guess I would go with Season 3.
That scene of Darren being shot by a grief-ridden, crazed Lizzie is unforgettable.

Ash.J.Williams · 17-10-2013 2:26pm

Amazingfun wrote: »

They were both brilliant, but if I had to choose, I guess I would go with Season 3.
That scene of Darren being shot by a grief-ridden, crazed Lizzie is unforgettable.

2 seems to be the good times!!

slingerz · 17-10-2013 4:47pm

Season 2 for me anyway!

Nonoperational · 17-10-2013 5:05pm

I loved season 2 aswell.

BuilderPlumber · 17-10-2013 5:11pm

Seasons 2 and 3 are both excellent as are seasons 1 and 4. Great show.

Pretty.Odd. · 17-10-2013 7:17pm

season 2 was brilliant, didn't think season 3 would be as good but it was amazing! Hopefully 4 can follow the same trend!

BuilderPlumber · 17-10-2013 10:39pm

Pretty.Odd. wrote: »

season 2 was brilliant, didn't think season 3 would be as good but it was amazing! Hopefully 4 can follow the same trend!

And each season managed to have a different angle.

Season 1 focused on a loose cannon (i.e. Hughie) within the gang and efforts of the others to contain him as well as Darren's attempts to get out of crime all the while he getting deeper and deeper into it. This set the scene then for series 2. Nidge, John Boy, and Darren were the mainstays.

Season 2 focused initially on the themes from the last episode of season 1. That is, healing internal wounds within the gang - that is, Darren and John Boy. Moving from there, the character Fran was introduced as first a partner to the gang and then a rival. Ultimately, the issue of internal division arose with the killing of John Boy. The side story of Luke's obsession with Mary was also very interesting.

Season 3 concentrated on the rise of Nidge, his alliance with Fran and his (forgive the pun!) love/hate relations with the CIRA. The gangland v IRA issue was introduced fully in this series. The rape scene, Dano's alcoholism and the different attitudes even within in the IRA set up things for season 4.

Season 4 continues the Nidge/Fran alliance and the CIRA story. Also, a more prominent role for the cops. The first 2 episodes introduced things nicely and it is the first season without Darren (alive in the present at least: we do see from episode one a brief showing of his dead body and we may see a flashback or two later). The next 4 episodes, especially the last two, will see all sorts of twists and turns but I'll breath a sigh of relief if Nidge and Fran are both alive by the end of episode 6!

hooch-85 · 17-10-2013 11:24pm

Just watched Between the Canals, great performance by Coonan, not surprised he got the Fran role

leggo · 18-10-2013 12:37am

Series 1 wasn't the best, my first impression was 'The Wire meets Fair City', but the brilliant writing and portrayal of Hughie kept me involved and gave the show credibility.

We really saw what the show could do by the time series 2 rolled around, as Aiden Gillen thrived as John Boy battled with his sanity. They also began to bring in interesting peripheral characters, but not beat us over the head with them, which was vital if the show was to have a future with the likes of Gillen and Robert Sheehan always likely to move onto bigger things sooner rather than later.

Series 3 was a masterpiece from start to finish, with the opening episode in particular being one of the finest episodes of television I've ever seen (not Irish television, all of television). Nidge had been flexing his muscles as TVL grew into the role and it was absolutely the right decision to make him the show's lead. What amazed me most was how they shifted the roles of major characters to suit the plot's need and nobody minded: Nidge went from comic relief to unhinged with Fran going the opposite direction.

I've still a lot of hope for series 4. My big worry was how it'd handle the hype and expectation that came after such a masterful season, but Stuart Carolan seems to have a very clear vision of the story he wants to tell so seems unburdened by its growing stature. That's an impressive feat for a writer, so many can easily give into the wims of fans and lose their own ideals at a cost to a show. They've simply got down to business this time around, not as spectacularly as series 3 but cleverly not trying to be either, making both episodes thus far matter and setting up for a potentially thrilling climax that could give the show legs in the long-term too. There's a lot of ways this could go now, both next week and year, by moving the goalposts slightly and introducing the Garda element.

Lucy and Harry · 18-10-2013 8:53am

Lizzie should be killed for what she did to ''my'' Darren.

raven136 · 18-10-2013 3:26pm

Killing off John Boy was a poor decison I thought

Aiden Gillan was/is a really good actor and his John Boy was a terrific tv charachter

Dave147 · 18-10-2013 3:33pm

raven136 wrote: »

Killing off John Boy was a poor decison I thought

Aiden Gillan was/is a really good actor and his John Boy was a terrific tv charachter

That was because Aiden Gillen had other commitments including Game of Thrones, he wasn't killed off because they wanted him gone at all, although Tom Vaughan Lawlor has done a great job.

hooch-85 · 18-10-2013 3:34pm

raven136 wrote: »

Killing off John Boy was a poor decison I thought

Aiden Gillan was/is a really good actor and his John Boy was a terrific tv charachter

Don't think they had much choice as Gillen had other commitments with Game of Thrones and other projects.

I think killing him off was the opposite, a brave move by the writers and the other characters have grown immeasurably since.

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