And so it begins...

Dr Crayfish · 29-01-2017 6:44pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Can't see him taking her back, especially as she is Canadian!

I've met her a few times she's quite nice. I always thought she was Canadian too but she's from Seattle I think. I think it's her partner is from Vancouver. So unless she gained Canadian nationality from being married to her?

Jimmy Garlic · 29-01-2017 7:05pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Every Trump supporter I've met is a complete idiot and/or racist.

They disagree with you so automatically in your mind they would have to be those things, let's be honest, you decided that they are idiot racists before you have even met them. One of the big reasons Trump won is because there is massive backlash against the you're a racist/misogynist/homophobe/whatever if you don't agree with everything I say mentality. An awful lot of people are sick to the back teeth of being preached at and being told what they can think by sanctimonious ''educated'' commies who think their mutterings are gospel and everyone should just fall into line and do what they are told.

realdanbreen · 29-01-2017 7:06pm

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

The vast majority of the posts in this thread are pathetic, hyperbolic, over reactions of childish keyboard warriors. The man is no more or less dangerous than any of his predecessors or indeed the proposed alternatives when it comes to the long term safety and welfare of the world.

Laughable how personally some of the ranters on this side of the world are taking this. Obama was going to change the world not nine years ago and yet here we are.

Utter drivel in this thread. Great laugh reading some of the scaremongering tripe being posted though. Weak minded crap.

What is really laughable is the cringeworthy expressions on those lined up behind his desk as he signs his executive orders. How the Americans put this ignorant oaf in power is beyond me,

steddyeddy · 29-01-2017 7:11pm

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

The vast majority of the posts in this thread are pathetic, hyperbolic, over reactions of childish keyboard warriors. The man is no more or less dangerous than any of his predecessors or indeed the proposed alternatives when it comes to the long term safety and welfare of the world.

Laughable how personally some of the ranters on this side of the world are taking this. Obama was going to change the world not nine years ago and yet here we are.

Utter drivel in this thread. Great laugh reading some of the scaremongering tripe being posted though. Weak minded crap.

I work for a gov state dept in Colorado. I'm stationed in the UK for half of it, but you haven't a clue what you're talking about. This is a man who resulted in some fairly high up resignations in the state department. Normally officials stay for a few months after a new administration comes in, but these guys just left. Are they weak minded?

steddyeddy · 29-01-2017 7:13pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They disagree with you so automatically in your mind they would have to be those things, let's be honest, you decided that they are idiot racists before you have even met them. One of the big reasons Trump won is because there is massive backlash against the you're a racist/misogynist/homophobe/whatever if you don't agree with everything I say mentality. An awful lot of people are sick to the back teeth of being preached at and being told what they can think by sanctimonious ''educated'' commies who think their mutterings are gospel and everyone should just fall into line and do what they are told.

No I disagree with a lot of what America has a country has done. This is different. Trump attracts support of large numbers of racists e.g the KKK.

29-01-2017 7:42pm

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Is it?

How many people did we refuse admission to?

It is statistically IMPOSSIBLE that 600 Irish people would be able to apply for work visas for, say, Australia, that require a Garda check, and every one of them would get granted. So how many Syrians have been turned down by our rigorous screening programme?

I don't know the numbers but I know people do get turned down.

infogiver · 29-01-2017 7:51pm

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Is it?

How many people did we refuse admission to?

It is statistically IMPOSSIBLE that 600 Irish people would be able to apply for work visas for, say, Australia, that require a Garda check, and every one of them would get granted. So how many Syrians have been turned down by our rigorous screening programme?

You do realise that the Syrians refugees that are being settled here were vetted through a Resettlement Program while they were in refugee camps in the Lebanon etc?
You seem to be under the impression that they just showed up claiming asylum at Dublin Airport?

Galwayguy35 · 29-01-2017 7:52pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Can't see him taking her back, especially as she is Canadian!

Incorrect, American born.

Jimmy Garlic · 29-01-2017 8:23pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

This is a man who resulted in some fairly high up resignations in the state department. Normally officials stay for a few months after a new administration comes in, but these guys just left. Are they weak minded?

Like who? Victoria ''cookie'' Nuland? No loss. Technically these people resigned to save face but the bottom line is they were sacked. They are not wanted or needed anymore so they had to pack their bags. Their brand of underhand, trouble making ''diplomacy'' is no good. Fantastic news that these fuqers are being cleared out.

pumpkin4life · 29-01-2017 8:38pm

2017: The year of the leftist mental health meltdown epidemic. Trump has exceeded all triggering expectations. Eight executive orders within a week you say?:D

Strap yourself in lads. Crazy SJWs being crazy you say? You ain't seen nothing yet.

It's days like this I wish I was back in university. All the fun I could have.

Wanderer78 · 29-01-2017 8:41pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

2017: The year of the leftist mental health meltdown. Trump has exceeded all triggering expectations. Eight executive orders within a week you say?:D

Strap yourself in lads. Crazy SJWs being crazy you say? You ain't seen nothing yet.

It's days like this I wish I was back in university. All the fun I could have.

.........2018:

......................................................

everybody dead..........................

Jimmy Garlic · 29-01-2017 8:44pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

.........2018:

......................................................

everybody dead..........................

Trump will have them all rounded up into extermination camps by the end of this year

Seriously, some of them actually believe that.

Wanderer78 · 29-01-2017 8:46pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Trump will have them all rounded up into extermination camps by the end of this year

Seriously, some of them actually believe that.

planet earth = largest 'extermination camp'

at least we re having the craic!

pumpkin4life · 29-01-2017 8:57pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

.........2018:

......................................................

everybody dead..........................

GIT TO DA CHOPPA!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-01-2017 9:06pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Are you any relation to the legendary Degsy who used to post on here?

Characters like him, CD, Sergeant, Bantum and Crown are sorely missed on this site.

Clearly you don't remember Degsy! He'd have loved Trump.

Jimmy Garlic · 29-01-2017 9:24pm

The Backwards Man wrote: »

You have to laugh at the Trumpoids, crying and moaning all the time

TheRa · 29-01-2017 9:25pm

It's only a matter of time before Europe enacts similar policies. I give it one more "spectacular" in a major European city and that will be that.

Or Wilders and Le Pen winning this year.

Wanderer78 · 29-01-2017 9:28pm

TheRa wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before Europe enacts similar policies. I give it one more "spectacular" in a major European city and that will be that.

Or Wilders and Le Pen winning this year.

or maybe rome could be the next 'spectacular'

RandomName2 wrote: »

Play nice, children.

jebus, mammy/daddy is boring:D

lawred2 · 29-01-2017 9:36pm

No Trump fan. He's an impulsive self satisfied bigot. But I'm seriously tired already of the daily doses of self righteousness from all sides

RTE are particularity bad. Not one piece about Trump is an analysis piece but something more akin to an echo chamber with each one trying to out do each other in the indignant stakes..

And the personal attacks on yer wan for having a picture taken at a ball!? Seriously wtf is wrong with people.

The Backwards Man · 29-01-2017 9:41pm

Meanwhile, at the White House

I suppose if you can't play a fiddle, you have to watch cartoons :P

C. Montgomery Gurns · 29-01-2017 11:46pm

infogiver wrote: »

You do realise that the Syrians refugees that are being settled here were vetted through a Resettlement Program while they were in refugee camps in the Lebanon etc?
You seem to be under the impression that they just showed up claiming asylum at Dublin Airport?

You have just revealed your own ignorance.

They don't show up in Dublin airport. They are pre approved in Greee.

We don't take refugees from Italy because the Italian police refused to allow Gardai to operate within Italy.

Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant. Bar two, I've never met a leftist with a job.

fryup · 30-01-2017 12:11am

rachb wrote: »

The world has been a lot less safer place since we let in all the undocumented economic migrants into Europe.

and thats what Donald is trying to put right in the US and he's being slated for it :cool:

TheRa · 30-01-2017 12:13am

infogiver wrote: »

You do realise that the Syrians refugees that are being settled here were vetted through a Resettlement Program while they were in refugee camps in the Lebanon etc?
You seem to be under the impression that they just showed up claiming asylum at Dublin Airport?

I think you're the ignorant one. They're coming from Greece. Not the Lebanon.

Wanderer78 · 30-01-2017 12:19am

fryup wrote: »

and thats what Donald is trying to put right in the US and he's being slated for it :cool:

the world is a lot less safer since imperial powers such as america decided its best we should all have their form of 'democracy' and it would be best for them to 'implement' it in countries that resisted this new form of 'freedom'.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 12:29am

lawred2 wrote: »

No Trump fan. He's an impulsive self satisfied bigot. But I'm seriously tired already of the daily doses of self righteousness from all sides

RTE are particularity bad. Not one piece about Trump is an analysis piece but something more akin to an echo chamber with each one trying to out do each other in the indignant stakes..

And the personal attacks on yer wan for having a picture taken at a ball!? Seriously wtf is wrong with people.

How long till we see Irish Illegals on the LL show crying and Given a platform ?

Richard Hillman · 30-01-2017 12:33am

pumpkin4life wrote: »

2017: The year of the leftist mental health meltdown epidemic. Trump has exceeded all triggering expectations. Eight executive orders within a week you say?:D

Strap yourself in lads. Crazy SJWs being crazy you say? You ain't seen nothing yet.

It's days like this I wish I was back in university. All the fun I could have.

The way I see the next few years going is that these crowds of protesters will dwindle and then the full-on crazies will be the more prominent on our tv screens and social networks. This along with all the poisoned chalices of celebrity endorsements will turn Trumps 46% (who will stay loyal) into a larger percentage.

The SJWs will become so nauseating that they will turn people into Trump supporters, Thus winning 4 more years for The Donald.

A lot of people that didn't Vote for Trump did not have a polarising view on him. Some were curious but maybe didn't believe he would back what he said up and went for the tried and tested option of Clinton.

Believe this, there is not 1 person who voted for Donald Trump that is saying, "I probably should've voted for Hillary".

He made 4 Big Promises on his Election Campaign
1. He's gonna build that wall - CHECK
2. He's gonna introduce extreme vetting from Muslim countries - CHECK
3. He is going to be the Greatest job creator that God has ever produced - Work in Progress
4. He's gonna blow **** outta ISIS - ISIS will be done in 4 years time, no matter what he does. Penicilled-in CHECK

Now let's start focusing on Ivanka 2024

30-01-2017 12:35am

TheRa wrote: »

I think you're the ignorant one. They're coming from Greece. Not the Lebanon.

They are coming from refugee camps in both Greece and the Lebanon.

infogiver · 30-01-2017 1:00am

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

You have just revealed your own ignorance.

They don't show up in Dublin airport. They are pre approved in Greee.

We don't take refugees from Italy because the Italian police refused to allow Gardai to operate within Italy.

Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant. Bar two, I've never met a leftist with a job.

I think that your probably drunk and you need to go to bed. Some of them are pre approved in Greece and some of them in Lebanon. The ignorant one is YOU. If you think I'm left you need to get a dictionary

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 1:03am

infogiver wrote: »

I think that your probably drunk and you need to go to bed. Some of them are pre approved in Greece and some of them in Lebanon. The ignorant one is YOU If you think I'm left you need to get a dictionary

lol....

BorneTobyWilde · 30-01-2017 1:06am

vicwatson wrote: »

A stay has been put on the order, ACLU took it into court last night.

Here's some stats for yis - 737 people killed by falling out of bed :D....only in America

All these stats are funny

We can all think of many americans killed by ISIS inspired terrorists in USA in last few year.

eeguy · 30-01-2017 1:23am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

He made 4 Big Promises on his Election Campaign
1. He's gonna build that wall - CHECK
2. He's gonna introduce extreme vetting from Muslim countries - CHECK
3. He is going to be the Greatest job creator that God has ever produced - Work in Progress
4. He's gonna blow **** outta ISIS - ISIS will be done in 4 years time, no matter what he does. Penicilled-in CHECK

Now let's start focusing on Ivanka 2024

Not a single one of those things has happened. Build the wall? Who's gonna pay for it? Not F8cking Mexico apparently. Most illegals in the US can simply fly there and overstay their visa, like the thousands of Irish.

Extreme vetting? Even with all the furore today that's not going to happen.

Greatest job creator? What jobs?

end of the road · 30-01-2017 1:25am

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Trump has restricted immigration from countries which have produced lone wolf attackers (Somalia, Afghanistan and Syria) in three countries in 2015 and 2016 (Germany, the USA and the UK).

he has also restricted immigration from countries which haven't produced any lone wolf attackers, and let other countries which have out. no saudi on that list dispite them being the biggest funder of islamic terrorism. it's funny how the countries he has implemented restricted immigration from are countries he has no personal business dealings in, and countries which could fit the list for his restrictions (restrictions that are pointless by the way) are ones he has personal business dealings in.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

2017: The year of the leftist mental health meltdown epidemic. Trump has exceeded all triggering expectations. Eight executive orders within a week you say?

Strap yourself in lads. Crazy SJWs being crazy you say? You ain't seen nothing yet.

It's days like this I wish I was back in university. All the fun I could have.

well, when one uses terms like "sjw" (which don't actually exist) i would suggest it isn't university they should be going back to, but cresh.

red ears · 30-01-2017 1:27am

TheRa wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before Europe enacts similar policies. I give it one more "spectacular" in a major European city and that will be that.

Or Wilders and Le Pen winning this year.

We can't keep going as we have been over the last 2 or 3 yards with the numbers of people coming in to Europe. Trump has already said he sees what is happening in Europe and he thinks its madness. There is talk of him making a deal with Saudi to help create safe zones in the middle east for refugees. Hope he does.

BalcombeSt4 · 30-01-2017 1:34am

degsie wrote: »

With Trump's executive order on Muslim immigration, his siding up with Russia and his spat with Mexico, alongside the UK turning its back on Europe, we are heading towards a darker place. The world seems a little less safe right now.

Surely warmer relations between the two worlds superpowers is a good thing. Seems a lot of so called liberals miss the old Cold War days with the Soviet Union.

Bush kills hundreds of thousands of Muslims, media don't care
Obama continues murdering thousands of Muslims, media don't care
Trump bans Muslims, media goes ape****

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 1:34am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

All these stats are funny

We can all think of many americans killed by ISIS inspired terrorists in USA in last few year.

Stuff happens in every country, No need to import more on top. That's a very simple point.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 1:35am

end of the road wrote: »

he has also restricted immigration from countries which haven't produced any lone wolf attackers, and let other countries which have out. no saudi on that list dispite them being the biggest funder of islamic terrorism. it's funny how the countries he has implemented restricted immigration from are countries he has no personal business dealings in, and countries which could fit the list for his restrictions (restrictions that are pointless by the way) are ones he has personal business dealings in.

well, when one uses terms like "sjw" (which don't actually exist) i would suggest it isn't university they should be going back to, but cresh.

Tell the people calling themselves that. Snowflake I agree was a made up term but apt.

hatrickpatrick · 30-01-2017 1:35am

I for one relish the chaotic period the world is entering to some extent. The only way deep seated establishment power structures come tumbling down is through societal upheaval. The Trump years are going to be horrible for the world, but the fact of his election and Clinton's loss, and its ramifications for the establishment on both sides in the US, as well as the implications of Brexit (that people no longer listen to smug, condescending talking heads on the TV who belittle them and tell them what to do) are good for society long term.

My lifetime might be unpleasant due to the short term consequences. It might not. But I feel that long-term, what's been happening over the last few years has a chance at unseating and dismantling some of the core institutions which currently stand between the people and real democracy. The banking crisis has shown that reform isn't enough - there are some institutions which simply ignore the democratic will of the people and need to be taken an axe to rather than attempting to make them work any longer. I'm happy, to an extent, to suffer through my own era of history being messy and dark if it gives future generations a shot at escaping the miserable structures we've constructed for them.

The collapse of the church as a sphere of influence in the West has had profoundly positive effects on social and sexual freedom. The collapse of the political and economic establishment could likewise have profoundly positive effects on society's wellbeing - like trashing an essay you know you've written too many unescapable corners into and starting again from the beginning. Yes, the process of rewriting the essay will be nasty especially considering you have to re-do so much work you've already put in, but deep down you know that the finished product will be far better than the first draft ever could have been if you'd kept re-writing it instead of just dumping it.

tl;dr: My thinking over the last few years has been that as far as human civilisation is concerned reform > chaos > status quo. Reform didn't work, so therefore chaos is the next best option. Trump may ultimately have been a better long term option for the future of humanity because his victory was the ultimate rejection of the status quo, such that the powers that be may be too terrified to try and shove a status quo candidate down the American peoples' mouths next election. Same with Brexit - the leading powers in the EU may now wake up and realise that they have to fix the EU's democratic deficit, and quickly, or risk more haemorrhaging.

I'm sure I sound quite unhinged to some here, but the way I see it, I'm merely seeing the possibility of what humanity's "essay" could become if we were willing to delete the unfixably messy draft we've been writing and start over.

BalcombeSt4 · 30-01-2017 1:37am

red ears wrote: »

We can't keep going as we have been over the last 2 or 3 yards with the numbers of people coming in to Europe. Trump has already said he sees what is happening in Europe and he thinks its madness. There is talk of him making a deal with Saudi to help create safe zones in the middle east for refugees. Hope he does.

Saudi Arabia - the country responsible for creating many death zones in the Middle East.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 1:37am

red ears wrote: »

We can't keep going as we have been over the last 2 or 3 yards with the numbers of people coming in to Europe. Trump has already said he sees what is happening in Europe and he thinks its madness. There is talk of him making a deal with Saudi to help create safe zones in the middle east for refugees. Hope he does.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

.. As seen In Europe and coming here.

hatrickpatrick · 30-01-2017 1:41am

end of the road wrote: »

Well, when one uses terms like "sjw" (which don't actually exist) i would suggest it isn't university they should be going back to, but cresh.

Honest question: What word do you like to use when describing the no-platforming, safe space demanding, internet policing, politically correct re-write demanding cultural fascists who have been making so much noise in recent years?

I agree that the term SJW doesn't convey the truth (social justice warrior sounds like a positive thing), I prefer cultural fascists or just cultural authoritarians, but if you have a different phrase in mind I'd be happy to consider using it from now on.

What you can't do is deny that such a movement exists and calls itself "liberal". As a lefty and a liberal myself, you know I'm not a right wingnut just attacking the left in general - this is a cancerous movement on our own side of the political aisle which seeks to place sensibilities above freedoms.

Jimmy Garlic · 30-01-2017 2:01am

Marine Le Pen is surging ahead according to polls in France. That will be interesting. There could be a hat-trick on the cards.

end of the road · 30-01-2017 2:03am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Honest question: What word do you like to use when describing the no-platforming, safe space demanding, internet policing, politically correct re-write demanding cultural fascists who have been making so much noise in recent years?

I agree that the term SJW doesn't convey the truth (social justice warrior sounds like a positive thing), I prefer cultural fascists or just cultural authoritarians, but if you have a different phrase in mind I'd be happy to consider using it from now on.

i just call them dip****s or busy bodies depending. works fine and is accurate.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What you can't do is deny that such a movement exists and calls itself "liberal". As a lefty and a liberal myself, you know I'm not a right wingnut just attacking the left in general - this is a cancerous movement on our own side of the political aisle which seeks to place sensibilities above freedoms.

i have never denied the movement exists. however as i don't agree with them i simply ignore them and get on with my life. they won't convince me of their way of thinking so i ignore their nonsense.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 2:07am

end of the road wrote: »

i just call them dip****s or busy bodies depending. works fine and is accurate.

i have never denied the movement exists. however as i don't agree with them i simply ignore them and get on with my life. they won't convince me of their way of thinking so i ignore their nonsense.

It's hard to when you meet them for example. My partner was surrounded by these lot yes campaigning. They became very aggressive when she would not tell them what way she was voting. They seemed to virtue signal off each other and ramp up the language to out do each other. She came home crying. The worst thing was it was a group of 5 women attacking another woman.

Just to add she was firm yes supported before that.

sid waddell · 30-01-2017 2:12am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

It's hard to when you meet them for example. My partner was surrounded by these lot yes campaigning. They became very aggressive when she would not tell them what way she was voting. They seemed to virtue signal off each other and ramp up the language to out do each other. She came home crying. The worst thing was it was a group of 5 women attacking another woman.

Just to add she was firm yes supported before that.

Sure that happened.

Still using your tired old nonsense cliches as well, I see.

sid waddell · 30-01-2017 2:15am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Marine Le Pen is surging ahead according to polls in France. That will be interesting. There could be a hat-trick on the cards.

Or, to put it another way, she's currently absolutely miles behind where she needs to be to win.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 2:16am

sid waddell wrote: »

Sure that happened.

Still using your tired old nonsense cliches as well, I see.

Aye, when the narrative does not fit the reality.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 2:17am

sid waddell wrote: »

Or, to put it another way, she's currently absolutely miles behind where she needs to be to win.

Said that about, Trump. Problem with denouncing something before the final. I'm sure we will be seeing loads of SJW crying vids again in the near future.

Obama: Donald Trump won't be president

sid waddell · 30-01-2017 2:20am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Said that about, Trump. Problem with denouncing something before the final. I'm sure we will be seeing loads of SJW crying vids again in the near future.

"SJW"

You just keep proving my point, don't you?

You're like some sort of robo-conservative. Almost like you came from a factory.

darkpagandeath · 30-01-2017 2:22am

sid waddell wrote: »

"SJW"

You just keep proving my point, don't you?

You're like some sort of robo-conservative. Almost like you came from a factory.

1 out of 10, Free water ror Ireland, Respecting the Greeks sticking it to Europe.. Ay am a robo-conservative.. Social welfare in Ireland is fine would actually put it up.

Jimmy Garlic · 30-01-2017 2:24am

sid waddell wrote: »

Or, to put it another way, she's currently absolutely miles behind where she needs to be to win.

She isn't, shes leading the polls, her chances are looking good. Sorry to disappoint you. It will be an interesting year again this year.

And so it begins...

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