Coronovirus - Gamsat MARCH 2020

RoundPony · 10-07-2020 6:38pm

redser1 wrote: »

Thanks...yeah I don't think UL would be suited to my learning style...I just see it as spending time researching information and compiling it when you could just be learning it from lectures...but everyone is different! Hoping for UCC or Dublin...whats everyone predicting for scores?

That's the thing - you just need to pick a place that feels right for you individually.

RoundPony · 10-07-2020 6:41pm

Flimsy_Boat wrote: »

UCC accepted all the internationals in April/May and have asked everyone to come to Cork early to quarantine. If international students are unable to make it en masse, due to border closures, they will push back the start date (again) to accomodate them.

UL offers have been out to international students for months too. They are planning on them coming in early so self isolate and get started. UCD is starting later to accommodate people getting in. There has been no mention of increased places for EU students.

I personally think they are going to get in and be fine for Sept start but it would be later in the semester or year that we are going to possibly have issues/people won't be able to travel for holidays, etc.

bella11 · 11-07-2020 1:53pm

Bartman26 wrote: »

I know someone who applied in 2017 and 2018 with me on the same score (58) and also had Dublin schools 1st preference. They got offered RCSI in 2017 but decided to continue working and then got UCD in 2018. I got offered 3rd pref both years.. That's the lotto system of the waiting lists! But if you're not too long in the tooth and geographically it's not a big deal then preferences aren't as big an issue I think, same goal in the end.

Thats actually crazy Bartman26..... such a lucky dip.... colleges really need to re-assess it, maybe even interviews when it comes to random selection? Very unfair

Bartman26 · 11-07-2020 3:31pm

bella11 wrote: »

Thats actually crazy Bartman26..... such a lucky dip.... colleges really need to re-assess it, maybe even interviews when it comes to random selection? Very unfair

Hi Bella, yeah don't get me started! The first year was sore enough but when it happened the 2nd year it just felt like a very unfair system. Totally agree about it needing to be reassessed. I know someone else who sat the Gamsat 7 times before they got it and once they were on the course they were never out of the top 15 percentile in the class. So in terms of it being a good indicator of who potentially will make a good medic or who deserves a place... Hmm I'm sceptical but it is what it is for the time being!! Pity though.

bella11 · 11-07-2020 6:11pm

Bartman26 wrote: »

Hi Bella, yeah don't get me started! The first year was sore enough but when it happened the 2nd year it just felt like a very unfair system. Totally agree about it needing to be reassessed. I know someone else who sat the Gamsat 7 times before they got it and once they were on the course they were never out of the top 15 percentile in the class. So in terms of it being a good indicator of who potentially will make a good medic or who deserves a place... Hmm I'm sceptical but it is what it is for the time being!! Pity though.

agreed it really is in a lot of cases down to luck.... interviews combined could be a more accurate, fair measure! anyone still think points could come down instead of up?:P

Bartman26 · 11-07-2020 7:08pm

bella11 wrote: »

agreed it really is in a lot of cases down to luck.... interviews combined could be a more accurate, fair measure! anyone still think points could come down instead of up?:P

Haha I really don't know Bella I try to let that bell curve business go over my head and just hope for the best!! But if there is a 2point deviation from last year I think there will be questions asked.. Def from the Australians anyway by the sounds of it!

medgal22 · 11-07-2020 8:15pm

Bartman26 wrote: »

Haha I really don't know Bella I try to let that bell curve business go over my head and just hope for the best!! But if there is a 2point deviation from last year I think there will be questions asked.. Def from the Australians anyway by the sounds of it!

haha will be just me and the Auzzies v ACER by the looks of things:pac:

Bartman26 · 11-07-2020 11:12pm

medgal22 wrote: »

haha will be just me and the Auzzies v ACER by the looks of things:pac:

And me medgal!

Flimsy_Boat · 12-07-2020 10:56am

redser1 wrote: »

Anyone on this doing the UCC programme?

Yep! It's great and I'm very happy with it. After January of 1st year, the instruction is systems-based, ie: learn everything about the lungs, kidneys and heart, from the anatomy to the pharmacology and microbiology.

Our class size is small, 80 - 85 students. Once we start clinical electives, we join up with the undergrad medicine programme and the class swells to 240 ish.

The timetable looks like this:

Year 1 - Basic science modules x 3. The first one runs September to December, the second module runs January to March, and the third module runs from March until final exams in May.

You get an exam at the end of each module that is 30% of your mark in that module, and one week to study for it. The basic science module includes anatomy, biochemistry, pharmacology, physiology (the one that takes the most time!), histology, pathology, immunology and microbiology.

In addition, you have a clinical practice module that runs from September to May, and it includes written exams, a patient interview project and OSCEs.

We also have 1 PBL/SGL session every week that is worth very little of our overall mark, but it does require a decent amount of work and a presentation.

Finally, you will have an epidemiology module that runs from September to March.

We have a sprinkling of ethics and law lectures as well, and these are given by law school faculty. Very interesting!

At the end of the year, you have 5 final exams, each worth 50-70% of your mark in that module.

Year 2 - Basic science module from September to December with all of the aforementioned subjects, now with an emphasis on neuroanatomy, neuropharmacology, neurophysiology etc.

Special Selected Module project where you learn about business or maritime medicine or ethics or palliative care. Or even a project of your own choosing.

January to May -- You are in clinical electives and can be sent to Waterford, Tralee, Cork (of course) or Tipperary. You also have one special elective of your own choosing in any specialty that lasts two weeks. UCC pays for your accomodation if you are sent outside of Cork.

There are more OSCEs and the emphasis from Year 2 is very clinical.

Year 3 and 4 - Clinical electives

Hope this helps!

AThoma · 13-07-2020 12:53pm

Hi there, just wondering have other colleges except trinity put conferring dates on their students transcripts, because according to the email on the 3rd of June from the CAO, complete transcripts contain the conferring date but mine doesn’t have any and I’m slightly freaking out.

RoundPony · 13-07-2020 1:18pm

AThoma wrote: »

Hi there, just wondering have other colleges except trinity put conferring dates on their students transcripts, because according to the email on the 3rd of June from the CAO, complete transcripts contain the conferring date but mine doesn’t have any and I’m slightly freaking out.

I wouldn't worry too much. You'll get an email about week before the offers letting you know whether your application is eligible/ineligible. If they deem you "ineligible" it just means they usually need more paperwork or there is an issue with your transcript i.e. no date as yours didn't. At this point, just call the admissions offices in the universities (I only bothered to contact my first preference) and they will tell you exactly what to do to rectify the issue. If there wasn't a date on yours, this must happen to other Trinity students too.

Tons of people get sent the "ineligible application" email and, while it is stress inducing, all you need to do is update whatever they tell you and you'll be totally fine once you get your documents back to the CAO. I actually emailed mine to the admissions office and they accepted it that way. Once you have a 2.1 in your primary degree, it will all be fine.

Peek1 · 13-07-2020 2:44pm

Hey everyone,

Since we're all waiting for now, wondering if anyone has any info/advice/tips regarding getting the grad med loan.
From reading previous threads, BOI, Ulster bank and AIB all used to have a grad med loan, but it seems after contacting them all it's only BOI that does it.

BOI told me same thing as everyone here probably knows by now, have to have a "decently strong guarantor" and an acceptance letter.
The person on the phone gave me the impression that generally, its not difficult to get the loan but the threads here seem to say a different story. The BOI guy on the phone wouldn't tell me anything apart from that.

Considering myself and my guarantor are in okayish financial situations, I wonder if there is anything extra that I can do to get accepted? Or even quicken the process so that If i get rejected, I find out sooner rather than later.

Would appreciate any advice/info from anyone that has gone through the process, and ofc I understand its judged very much case by case, and nobody can know until the time comes, I guess its worth posting anyways.

Thanks.

hazelnut11 · 13-07-2020 4:36pm

Peek1 wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Since we're all waiting for now, wondering if anyone has any info/advice/tips regarding getting the grad med loan.
From reading previous threads, BOI, Ulster bank and AIB all used to have a grad med loan, but it seems after contacting them all it's only BOI that does it.

BOI told me same thing as everyone here probably knows by now, have to have a "decently strong guarantor" and an acceptance letter.
The person on the phone gave me the impression that generally, its not difficult to get the loan but the threads here seem to say a different story. The BOI guy on the phone wouldn't tell me anything apart from that.

Considering myself and my guarantor are in okayish financial situations, I wonder if there is anything extra that I can do to get accepted? Or even quicken the process so that If i get rejected, I find out sooner rather than later.

Would appreciate any advice/info from anyone that has gone through the process, and ofc I understand its judged very much case by case, and nobody can know until the time comes, I guess its worth posting anyways.

Thanks.

I think it depends on the college, UL are more relaxed about waiting for the loan to come through than RCSI for example. Where are you planning on going?

Peek1 · 13-07-2020 6:06pm

hazelnut11 wrote: »

I think it depends on the college, UL are more relaxed about waiting for the loan to come through than RCSI for example. Where are you planning on going?

Oh, wasn't aware of that.

Main one I'm aiming for is UL.

RoundPony · 13-07-2020 6:11pm

Peek1 wrote: »

Oh, wasn't aware of that.

Main one I'm aiming for is UL.

I don't have direct experience but from what I know from those who did is that you must have blood relative which wasn't so much the case before. Once they are in anyway decent shape financially you should be fine. As far as those that I know, nobody was turned away and very few dropped out so that should mean positive things for most (if not all) getting the loan once they were in.

hazelnut11 · 13-07-2020 7:04pm

not trying to continue the debate on UL GEMS but is the failure rate high? Looking at past threads it looks worrying but I'm guessing it has improved a lot since then as those threads are from the first few years of the course..

ma003 · 13-07-2020 9:32pm

AThoma wrote: »

Hi there, just wondering have other colleges except trinity put conferring dates on their students transcripts, because according to the email on the 3rd of June from the CAO, complete transcripts contain the conferring date but mine doesn’t have any and I’m slightly freaking out.

I think in the cao email they said if you haven't graduated to add a note saying that you will be graduating and when. I'm in Trinity and I asked the academic registry for it and got it the same day. They just said she got this grade and will be graduating in November.

DivaDanto · 13-07-2020 10:07pm

Hi AThoma,

I'm the same - Trinity graduate - no date of conferral on transcript. They do mention if you don't have date of conferral on transcript you should also attach certified copy of degree certificate. It also has to be in English rather than Latin. If you email Trinity Academic Registry, they will send you a translation of your degree cert and you can send that on to CAO as well just to be on the safe side. I'm sure will be grand either way but no harm organising that ahead of time in case they do require it so you're not under pressure.

RoundPony · 13-07-2020 10:12pm

hazelnut11 wrote: »

not trying to continue the debate on UL GEMS but is the failure rate high? Looking at past threads it looks worrying but I'm guessing it has improved a lot since then as those threads are from the first few years of the course..

I mean I would say no. Roughly 6-8 sit the repeats and usually includes some I grades. One person has had to repeat 1st year in the last three years.

bella11 · 13-07-2020 10:34pm

RoundPony wrote: »

I mean I would say no. Roughly 6-8 sit the repeats and usually includes some I grades. One person has had to repeat 1st year in the last three years.

I guess it would really depend on the year.... I’ve heard a lot of people say UL is a very very tough course so it’s ironic that some people would be snobby about it from other colleges!

ma003 · 13-07-2020 11:01pm

DivaDanto wrote: »

Hi AThoma,

I'm the same - Trinity graduate - no date of conferral on transcript. They do mention if you don't have date of conferral on transcript you should also attach certified copy of degree certificate. It also has to be in English rather than Latin. If you email Trinity Academic Registry, they will send you a translation of your degree cert and you can send that on to CAO as well just to be on the safe side. I'm sure will be grand either way but no harm organising that ahead of time in case they do require it so you're not under pressure.

Do you mind me asking can you get that if you haven't graduated yet? I don't graduate until November so I just asked AR for a letter saying that I would be graduating but I didn't think about requesting a degree certificate.

AThoma · 14-07-2020 1:14am

ma003 wrote: »

Do you mind me asking can you get that if you haven't graduated yet? I don't graduate until November so I just asked AR for a letter saying that I would be graduating but I didn't think about requesting a degree certificate.

I haven’t graduated yet so I emailed academic registry and the graduation department and the graduation department just emailed back saying that timetables have yet to be finalised due to COVID-19 so I just printed that email out and sent it to show I tried to get it. I also emailed RCSI admissions as I felt they would tell me if it was very important and they lady responded with “As long as your transcripts detail all years and your final degree award is not “provisional” i.e. the exam Board has met and your results are ratified, that should be fine as you are due to graduate this“ so that put me at ease but she did mention requiring original transcripts which sort of scared me but I’ve submitted an email from trinity stating they are not doing hard copies and that the printed pdf is as original as I am getting so I’m hoping all will be okay.

DivaDanto · 14-07-2020 7:48am

If you haven't graduated yet, then they won't be able to give you a degree certificate or translation so I think your best bet is just to get a letter from TCD stating that your results are as detailed in transcript and that you will graduate in November! They are pretty helpful and got my degree translation to me within a couple of days so I'd say go with that!

hazelnut11 · 14-07-2020 11:42pm

bella11 wrote: »

I guess it would really depend on the year.... I’ve heard a lot of people say UL is a very very tough course so it’s ironic that some people would be snobby about it from other colleges!

yeah Ive heard that aswell that UL is tougher than any of the others....which is why Im hoping to avoid!

repulsebay321 · 15-07-2020 11:20am

bella11 wrote: »

I guess it would really depend on the year.... I’ve heard a lot of people say UL is a very very tough course so it’s ironic that some people would be snobby about it from other colleges!

I've heard from UL students that UCC is more difficult in terms of science knowledge. It's all anecdotal.

RoundPony · 15-07-2020 11:38am

hazelnut11 wrote: »

yeah Ive heard that aswell that UL is tougher than any of the others....which is why Im hoping to avoid!

I honestly don't think any of them are easy so it is much of a muchness where you go.

Really picking your med school of choice is about fit for yourself - what atmosphere, style of teaching, community, resources, etc that you value. At the end of the day they all have to teach the curriculum that the medical council dictates so we all come out of it with the same level of knowledge really. I think you might be a little bit mislead by people if you think one is going to be "easier" than another. The pace of study and depth of knowledge is really the same across all the schools (again thanks to the medical council) so the choice is more what delivery and institution serves you best and how/where you as a person want to spend the next four years of your life.

It is all relative to each individual. A person who doesn't learn as well from didactic teaching as problem based learning will find UCD harder than UL for example and vice versa.

I think what I'm really trying to say across the board is this choice is about you fitting the school not about school vs school comparisons. Pick the programme that feels like the one you can personally do the best in because lets be honest - they are all hard work.

hazelnut11 · 15-07-2020 11:36pm

RoundPony wrote: »

I honestly don't think any of them are easy so it is much of a muchness where you go.

Really picking your med school of choice is about fit for yourself - what atmosphere, style of teaching, community, resources, etc that you value. At the end of the day they all have to teach the curriculum that the medical council dictates so we all come out of it with the same level of knowledge really. I think you might be a little bit mislead by people if you think one is going to be "easier" than another. The pace of study and depth of knowledge is really the same across all the schools (again thanks to the medical council) so the choice is more what delivery and institution serves you best and how/where you as a person want to spend the next four years of your life.

It is all relative to each individual. A person who doesn't learn as well from didactic teaching as problem based learning will find UCD harder than UL for example and vice versa.

I think what I'm really trying to say across the board is this choice is about you fitting the school not about school vs school comparisons. Pick the programme that feels like the one you can personally do the best in because lets be honest - they are all hard work.

okay....

hopefulsucess · 16-07-2020 9:34am

I'm a little confused as to why everyone is still debating where to go. I thought the CAO change of mind closed, so surely everyone should have decided by now? Worried I'm missing something here...

taxignorant · 16-07-2020 4:50pm

I guess maybe for next year? In which case maybe a new thread might be good.

I dug around UCD website and it seems the orientation / first year isn't starting until 14th Sept, with teaching beginning the following week. I'm not 100% if this extends to grad med schedule too, but if so , it gives people a bit of time to arrange things like accomodation, resignation, childcare and loans.

repulsebay321 · 16-07-2020 6:45pm

hazelnut11 wrote: »

okay....

???

Everything RoundPony has said is true in my experience.

hazelnut11 · 16-07-2020 10:37pm

repulsebay321 wrote: »

???

Everything RoundPony has said is true in my experience.

DivaDanto · 17-07-2020 12:17pm

This day last year the eligibility emails came out.. surely they will have to be out within the next week!? Gonna be a loooong 3 weeks till the 8th of Aug

Woodcotter · 17-07-2020 12:59pm

DivaDanto wrote: »

This day last year the eligibility emails came out.. surely they will have to be out within the next week!? Gonna be a loooong 3 weeks till the 8th of Aug

FWIW, RCSI said eligibility emails would be out on the week commencing July 27th

humboldt · 17-07-2020 1:53pm

DivaDanto wrote: »

This day last year the eligibility emails came out.. surely they will have to be out within the next week!? Gonna be a loooong 3 weeks till the 8th of Aug

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "eligibility emails" please?

taxignorant · 17-07-2020 2:17pm

I think it means eligibility in terms of does your transcript tick all their boxes and is your gamsat score entered have you filled in all your form correctly, housekeeping stuff.

The wait feels interminable &#55357;&#56834;

Woodcotter · 17-07-2020 2:18pm

humboldt wrote: »

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "eligibility emails" please?

I could be wrong but my I’d understanding is that it means your application is accepted by the institution in question, subject to your GAMSAT score being above the minimums announced on 8th August i.e. they acknowledge that you have achieved a 2.1 or higher in your primary degree and that this degree is also eligible under the NFQ framework

I think final enrolment is still be subject to Garda vetting etc. but I believe this happens later

repulsebay321 · 17-07-2020 2:38pm

Woodcotter wrote: »

I could be wrong but my I’d understanding is that it means your application is accepted by the institution in question, subject to your GAMSAT score being above the minimums announced on 8th August i.e. they acknowledge that you have achieved a 2.1 or higher in your primary degree and that this degree is also eligible under the NFQ framework

I think final enrolment is still be subject to Garda vetting etc. but I believe this happens later

Yes, garda vetting and health screening happens the first week of college. If you don't have proof of all your vaccinations, student health will sort you out after a stern warning!

RoundPony · 17-07-2020 3:19pm

humboldt wrote: »

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "eligibility emails" please?

The CAO offers happen in like two phases - first the universities go in to make sure that each and every student who has applied is actually eligible for the course. They physically go in and check that you have a 2.1 in your primary level 8 degree and that you have a GAMSAT score on file. They obviously need to do this before the offers are out so they only select a cut off score based on eligible applicants.

If you have applied you'll get an email about a week or so before the official offer date so say either "yes you are eligible" or "no there is an issue. You have like 4 days to fix it". They all come out at the same time so usually people start posting here in case you don't see the email.

I've posted on here a few times about being deemed ineligible - it does happen a lot and isn't that bad to rectify things like transcript dates, etc that the universities request. They scrutinize the application paperwork pretty well from my personal experience but it all ends up fine.

They told me they had people that forged documents and GAMSAT scores before so they do give the paperwork a good look over and sometimes have questions that they just want you to answer/provide documentation from. This is more just to calm any fears if people actually do get an email saying they are ineligible.

Garda vetting is required but not done until after students actually get offered a place. Presume this is because of the workload - way more costly to do it for all applicants.

RoundPony · 17-07-2020 3:23pm

repulsebay321 wrote: »

Yes, garda vetting and health screening happens the first week of college. If you don't have proof of all your vaccinations, student health will sort you out after a stern warning!

In UL they use an Occ Health company for vaccinations. They come in a tell us exactly what we need as proof because only certain documents can be accepted. They also manage the whole process and come into the college to run clinics and get everyone sorted. One less thing to think about - they just send an email with a date, time and room number for you to show up when and if you need to attend any of the clinics throughout the year.

Hopeful GEM · 17-07-2020 10:42pm

RoundPony wrote: »

The CAO offers happen in like two phases - first the universities go in to make sure that each and every student who has applied is actually eligible for the course. They physically go in and check that you have a 2.1 in your primary level 8 degree and that you have a GAMSAT score on file. They obviously need to do this before the offers are out so they only select a cut off score based on eligible applicants.

If you have applied you'll get an email about a week or so before the official offer date so say either "yes you are eligible" or "no there is an issue. You have like 4 days to fix it". They all come out at the same time so usually people start posting here in case you don't see the email.

I've posted on here a few times about being deemed ineligible - it does happen a lot and isn't that bad to rectify things like transcript dates, etc that the universities request. They scrutinize the application paperwork pretty well from my personal experience but it all ends up fine.

They told me they had people that forged documents and GAMSAT scores before so they do give the paperwork a good look over and sometimes have questions that they just want you to answer/provide documentation from. This is more just to calm any fears if people actually do get an email saying they are ineligible.

Garda vetting is required but not done until after students actually get offered a place. Presume this is because of the workload - way more costly to do it for all applicants.

Does the email come from CAO or the institution themselves?

repulsebay321 · 18-07-2020 5:01am

Hopeful GEM wrote: »

Does the email come from CAO or the institution themselves?

CAO.

RoundPony · 18-07-2020 5:55pm

Hopeful GEM wrote: »

Does the email come from CAO or the institution themselves?

Yea as repulsebay321 said they come from the CAO. But this just might be helpful for some - if it happens to anyone, the email I got was somewhat unclear and I had no idea what they wanted from me. I wasted time trying to call the CAO (their number was endlessly busy) and the CAO told me that I needed to call the universities themselves to find out what documents would be acceptable to cover issue I had.

So if you are deemed ineligible and want to clarify anything, call the admissions office (I only called my 1st pref UL) as they are the only ones who can give you details. The CAO literally just facilitates the whole thing and knows nothing about details. The admissions officers are the only ones who can tell you want they want from you to fix it.

This is just to save somebody the headache of trying to ring the CAO for like 4 hours and wasting all that time!

bella11 · 18-07-2020 9:53pm

Three week countdown is on....!

taxignorant · 19-07-2020 10:55am

bella11 wrote: »

Three week countdown is on....!

I'm a little like a kid, "how many sleeps"? Thankfully weather provides a great distraction.

I'm wondering if UCD start of term will be delayed further as it was already 14th for orientation and 21st for teaching.

How long between the initial offerings on 8th August and the round after first refusals?

DivaDanto · 19-07-2020 11:12am

I think I read that UCD wouldn't be changing their start date and they have already told international students that they need to be here 2 weeks ahead of that for isolation purposes. Not sure about the different rounds of offers though!

RoundPony · 19-07-2020 11:21am

taxignorant wrote: »

I'm a little like a kid, "how many sleeps"? Thankfully weather provides a great distraction.

I'm wondering if UCD start of term will be delayed further as it was already 14th for orientation and 21st for teaching.

How long between the initial offerings on 8th August and the round after first refusals?

Normally two weeks from Round 0 to Round 1. Assuming this should be the same for you guys - can't see why it wouldn't because you only have limited time to accept your place. But people still accept and then drop out at a later date and that's when you get the single person offers here and there in the first few weeks of the semester (even after it starts).

I doubt it would be delayed further as I would assume that UCD is like UL and has been given special permission to deviate from the UCD dates.

A second year UCD student that I know told me they were starting late Sept. That was a few days ago. As DivaDanto said, they have to account for the international students and quarantine so I would doubt the dates will change.

Cl101 · 19-07-2020 12:09pm

taxignorant wrote: »

I'm a little like a kid, "how many sleeps"? Thankfully weather provides a great distraction.

I'm wondering if UCD start of term will be delayed further as it was already 14th for orientation and 21st for teaching.

How long between the initial offerings on 8th August and the round after first refusals?

I was in touch with the CAO about subsequent offer rounds for rejected GEM places and they said that there might be another offer before Round 1, but that this is yet to be confirmed.

Contemplate98 · 19-07-2020 1:07pm

What factors influence your chances of getting a good internship after getting your degree? Does university “prestige” really matter? Sorry I’m not entirely sure how the whole process works! Best of luck with offersðŸ€

RoundPony · 19-07-2020 1:14pm

Contemplate98 wrote: »

What factors influence your chances of getting a good internship after getting your degree? Does university “prestige” really matter? Sorry I’m not entirely sure how the whole process works! Best of luck with offersðŸ€

No school does not matter and plays zero part in the process. The intern matching uses your centile ranking in the class. So if two people apply for the same intern post, the applicant with the higher centile will get the post. If they have the same centile, it is a lottery system.

redser1 · 20-07-2020 5:07pm

Im just re-reading posts from when the exam was held, its funny how people then were concerned about the exam not being properly standardised and then when they got the result they wanted it was not to be mentioned and back-lashed.... obviously understandable but still as a Sept sitter awaiting offers its frustrating....

Coronovirus - Gamsat MARCH 2020

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