Gang Rape in Kildare

AnneFrank wrote: »

Of course that case was awful, and why does it stick out so much ?
Because it was rare, not the other way around.

Are you insinuating that the only reason the Jastine case was notable was because the perp was Irish/white!? Is it logical to say then that you're of the opinion that the vast majority of murders are carried out in this state are by foreign/black men? Am I reading that correctly?!

AnneFrank wrote: »

again i'm delighted for you and hope it continues that way,
Of course that case was awful, and why does it stick out so much ?
Because it was rare, not the other way around.

Funny, I don’t believe you when you say you’re delighted for me. Pity there are other experiences out there that spoil your narrative.

Are there marauding rape gangs out and about in ireland? I haven’t seen them around lately?? Stop exaggerating. There is need for a good discussion on immigration, but don’t sensationalise it with this claptrap.

Look, violence against women in Ireland is not rare, not at all. I find it (not) funny that some people care so much about violence at the hands of non-nationals, but don’t seem to care when it’s Irish on Irish.

dudara wrote: »

Let’s flip this on its head. What do you say about Jastine from the Philippines who was attacked and murdered by an Irish man?

This whataboutery is fine but there is an important difference. And while it may be perception, in this case it was real. That man was identified and caught. The added fear with foreigners is that you don't know who they are or even if you think you do, they may not be who they say they are. Or that they can just move on with less consequences than for a person who has to leave their life behind. That's a perception and it may be unfair to apply to all people but that does not mean it is not normal or unreasonable.


I had a friend who was in an accident year ago. Driver of the vehicle was a Polish man. Uninsured. In the country a few months. He just left and went home. Guards said there was nothing they could do about it. My friend suffered a lot of injuries. The vehicle was owned by a company which just shut down and the owners started again. Yes, of course an Irish person could theoretically leave the jurisdiction after doing something, but it's not as likely.



Two other recent murders - the fella who was killed in a field in Dundalk and the Polish fella murdered down in Cork. The general feeling is that everyone knows who did the former - it's just difficult to get them to talk. Has there been any indication that there are suspects in the latter?


What you don't know causes more fear than what you do know

Most important thing is.

1. The victim gets support
2. The 3 people guilty are caught ASAP before it happens again. Few too many this year have been the case

Donald Trump wrote: »

I had a friend who was in an accident year ago. Driver of the vehicle was a Polish man. Uninsured. In the country a few months.

Damn black Polish taxi drivers.

In all seriousness, I'd actually have no problem fcuking criminals out of this country if they're not abiding by our laws and if it was doable. What I can't take though is people saying ''all of this race need to be profiled'' or ''don't get into a car with members of that race''. That sh*t is wrong.

Donald Trump wrote: »

This whataboutery is fine but there is an important difference. And while it may be perception, in this case it was real. That man was identified and caught. The added fear with foreigners is that you don't know who they are or even if you think you do, they may not be who they say they are. Or that they can just move on with less consequences than for a person who has to leave their life behind. That's a perception and it may be unfair to apply to all people but that does not mean it is not normal or unreasonable.


I had a friend who was in an accident year ago. Driver of the vehicle was a Polish man. Uninsured. In the country a few months. He just left and went home. Guards said there was nothing they could do about it. My friend suffered a lot of injuries. The vehicle was owned by a company which just shut down and the owners started again. Yes, of course an Irish person could theoretically leave the jurisdiction after doing something, but it's not as likely.



Two other recent murders - the fella who was killed in a field in Dundalk and the Polish fella murdered down in Cork. The general feeling is that everyone knows who did the former - it's just difficult to get them to talk. Has there been any indication that there are suspects in the latter?


What you don't know causes more fear than what you do know

Fair points Donald. However, I think the unknown isn't just limited to non-nationals. For many people in the country, someone in Dublin is just equally unknown to them as a non-national. What matters to me is that the perpetrators are found and punished. I just don't buy this "all Nigerians" or "all muslims" guff.

sbsquarepants wrote: »

If that means saying the attackers were black then so be it - let's not beat around the bush. if they were black, they were black end of story. Screw this "why do you need to bring race into it" bullsh

I couldn't care less if they are black, white, muslim, Christian, Irish, Nigerian or fúcking bright green martians - what they are is scum and they need to be caught and locked away for a very long time.

Absolutely. Black is a descriptor. Say it. If they're white, say that. That beating around the bush thing p*sses me off majorly. There's this marvelous concept called the middle ground where you can say things about people that happen to be from other backgrounds while not being a racist scumbag. Magical.

Omackeral wrote: »

Damn black Polish taxi drivers.

In all seriousness, I'd actually have no problem fcuking criminals out of this country if they're not abiding by our laws and if it was doable. What I can't take though is people saying ''all of this race need to be profiled'' or ''don't get into a car with members of that race''. That sh*t is wrong.

So what would you say to my friend if you met her. Would you feel a big man making a joke to her face that even though the person who knocked her down and could have killed her was identified, caught (initially by neighbours who prevented him from getting back into his van and driving away - which he tried to do after he saw she was lying on the ground and not moving), interviewed by Guards etc. that all he had to do was get on a plane to Poland the next day?


And that the company who owned the van then "folded", claimed they never knew or employed the fella and started up again immediately after folding.



Maybe you'd have been happy to cover her medical bills for her in order to prove you weren't a racist


That was real life, and a life-changing event. Not some petty virtue signaling from behind the safety of a keyboard like you're doing yourself

dudara wrote: »

Fair points Donald. However, I think the unknown isn't just limited to non-nationals. For many people in the country, someone in Dublin is just equally unknown to them as a non-national. What matters to me is that the perpetrators are found and punished. I just don't buy this "all Nigerians" or "all muslims" guff.

Of course.



Sure nobody even likes the "blow-ins" who come from the next parish



Fears of foreigners are just an extension of that.


Whether right or wrong, it needs to be understood and accepted. Then you work on fixing it. Not just driving anyone with those fears to silence for fear of being called racist

Omackeral wrote: »

It was a joke at the expense of those claiming black taxi drivers are a scary menace, not your friend.

Sorry, I just feel upset still at what my friend went through

bubblypop wrote: »

What does the nationality of offenders have to do with anything?
A rapist is a rapist.

The social/Moral standards in some countries are Much lower than ours,
Remember that some countries where Refugees are coming from have an age of consent as low as Twelve!!!

Or certain areas in India/Pakistan that see women from certain Class levels as Disposable!!

AnneFrank wrote: »

Yes i'm not arguing with that, but a much higher % are black foreign nationals,
no woman i know will get into a taxi with a black driver by herself,
Un pc to say, but it's the reality

It's not Un PC. Ther word you're looking for is racist. And it's clear cut. I won't get into a cab if there's a black man driving. That's racism.

Donald Trump wrote: »

This whataboutery is fine but there is an important difference. And while it may be perception, in this case it was real. That man was identified and caught. The added fear with foreigners is that you don't know who they are or even if you think you do, they may not be who they say they are. Or that they can just move on with less consequences than for a person who has to leave their life behind. That's a perception and it may be unfair to apply to all people but that does not mean it is not normal or unreasonable.

You're saying women know every Irish man? Or that Irishmen can't lie?

btw, have you ever heard of a european arrest warrant? They are issued across europe. the foreign police will then arrest and deport someone. So if someone told you that there's nothing that can be done when a polish person committed a serious crime and then went back to Poland, they're lying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant

bubblypop wrote: »

so, no proof for your statement then?

Whilst I cannot verify this posters claim of foreign nationals being responsible for a higher percentage of sexual assaults than Irish born, one only has to look to our closest neighbors (and their readily available statistics) to discover that though Muslim men constitute only 3% of the entire UK population, over 12% of convicted rapists are indeed Muslim.

More damning, are the statistics pertaining to gang rapes and grooming where again, from a pool of 3% of the population, Muslim men are responsible for over 75% of attacks...

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

These are the facts, they cannot be denied or defended, nor can they be swept beneath the rug any longer.

There are a great many regions on this planet of ours where the threat of rape is an absolute constant. Regions where women are seen as lesser in worth than their male counterparts, where women can be convicted, ostracized, and even executed for daring to speak out about her attackers.

So though rape has existed in Ireland since time immemorial, indeed, there is no shortage of white skinned, blue eyed rapists in Mountjoy, but though we cannot export these vermin from Ireland, conversely, we can however prevent the importation of men who, as proven in the UK, have a propensity for sexual violence toward women.

dudara wrote: »

Are there marauding rape gangs out and about in ireland?

No

dudara wrote: »

Are there marauding rape gangs out and about in ireland? The UK

FYP

Yes

So, best we do not follow the path of nations such as the UK, Germany, Sweden, France and so forth that has proven to be both ill-judged and ludicrously naive?

Donald Trump wrote: »

I had a friend who was in an accident year ago. Driver of the vehicle was a Polish man. Uninsured. In the country a few months.

I had a friend who was in an accident year ago. Driver of the vehicle was a Irish man. Uninsured. Out of jail a few months.

Your point is what??