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smacl · 29-07-2013 12:54pm

ror_74 wrote: »

With soda drinks, I'd avoid them altogether unless you've been on the bike for a few hours in the heat. The spirit of Paleo is essentially unprocessed whole foods. Try mineral water with freshly squeezed lemon or lime. Very nice.

My favourite is celery, apply and lime put through the juicer with a splash of tabasco at the end. Yum!! That and fresh mint tea, which is equally good hot or chilled, and grows like weeds wherever you decide to plant it.

Soarer · 29-07-2013 12:59pm

Just looking at the nutritional info on the back of my nuts there (oo er missus!).

Per 100g.
Energy 629kcal
Carb 6.6g, of which sugar 3.6g
Fat 53g

Surely those figures add up as a good snack food, beit a nut or a legume?

I'm talking about for weightloss btw.

P.S. Peanut butter and celery sticks? WTF??

smacl · 29-07-2013 1:40pm

Soarer wrote: »

Just looking at the nutritional info on the back of my nuts there (oo er missus!).

Per 100g.
Energy 629kcal
Carb 6.6g, of which sugar 3.6g
Fat 53g

Surely those figures add up as a good snack food, beit a nut or a legume?

I'm talking about for weightloss btw.

P.S. Peanut butter and celery sticks? WTF??

'fraid not, that is a lot of calories per mouthful. I'd go for hummus with my celery and carrot sticks, which is delicious and while still quite high calorie, much less so than just eating nuts. Not very paleo mind you, chick peas being another of those legumes, but perfectly healthy imho.

Soarer · 29-07-2013 1:43pm

smacl wrote: »

'fraid not, that is a lot of calories per mouthful. I'd go for hummus with my celery and carrot sticks, which is delicious and while still quite high calorie, much less so than just eating nuts. Not very paleo mind you, chick peas being another of those legumes, but perfectly healthy imho.

Fair enough.

I'm obviously not understanding all this stuff. I thought more fat = more calories = more weightloss?

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 1:44pm

smacl wrote: »

Two considerations are high calorie density, and added salt, where many other nuts are more palatable unsalted. All nuts are high calorie afaik.

There's nothing wrong with salt and worrying about the c****** content of food is not allowed in my thread.:pac:

smacl · 29-07-2013 1:53pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with salt and worrying about the c****** content of food is not allowed in my thread.:pac:

Apologies for using the C word, totally out of order

Soarer · 29-07-2013 1:54pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with salt and worrying about the c****** content of food is not allowed in my thread.:pac:

Hey Pete.

Any chance you could bang me a pm explaining things/foods/etc? Obviously I'm big and ugly enough to make up my own mind on things, and your info (not advice!) will be taken with a pinch of salt!

TinyExplosions · 29-07-2013 3:08pm

Soarer wrote: »

Hey Pete.

Any chance you could bang me a pm explaining things/foods/etc? Obviously I'm big and ugly enough to make up my own mind on things, and your info (not advice!) will be taken with a pinch of salt!

Sod the PM's, stick it in the thread so that all us disciples of Pete can follow the righteous advice!

-though I'm cheating tonight and having a dirty curry with Naan

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 3:09pm

ror_74 wrote: »

A better snack would be a high quality Peanut Butter (like Kelkn ) with celery sticks.They are a legume, so the general consensus is to eat sparingly. Not easy to do as any Peanut Butter fan will tell you - its all or nothing.

Nuts are high calorie ( to be considered if you're looking to lose weight )

Better still would be Cashew Nut Butter which you can make yourself with a blender, or buy it from one of the Health Food stores like Nourish. Tasty but not cheap.

With soda drinks, I'd avoid them altogether unless you've been on the bike for a few hours in the heat. The spirit of Paleo is essentially unprocessed whole foods. Try mineral water with freshly squeezed lemon or lime. Very nice.

+1 (apart from the calorie bit)

j@utis · 29-07-2013 3:21pm

Soarer wrote: »

What do you guys use for lunch/dinner/snacks?
...

have three decent size meals and you'll have no need to snack.
to loose weight you have too keep your insulin levels low and stable for your body to be able to access your body fat reserves. who haven't heard about "fasted cardio" which is so popular in bodybuilding world - do your cardio on your empty stomach in the morning when insulin is low.
constant grazing or so called "snacking" which is pushed on us by snack "foods" manufacturers, is spiking your insulin and therefore interfering with your fat loss. if you're dying of hunger in between your meals you're not eating enough during your meals or you can't distinguish between real hunger and your psychological need to chew. low carb snacks are better option than say fruit or muesli bars or other heavily advertised junk but still you'd be better off eating less frequently.

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 3:22pm

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Sod the PM's, stick it in the thread so that all us disciples of Pete can follow the righteous advice!

I really don't want to tell people what to eat or what I eat. There is so much information out there from people better trained and more informed than I.

If a person isn't prepared to do a bit of cooking then there's probably no point in engaging in this kind of carry on. Just pick easy stuff from paleo sites. Most meals are as easy to make as a fry. A roast Chicken with veg takes 20 mins prep max. Roasting a dish full of veg on its own is a doddle.

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 3:28pm

j@utis wrote: »

low carb snacks are better option than say fruit or muesli bars or other heavily advertised junk but still you'd be better off eating less frequently.

Yep. I snack much less these days as my hunger is properly satisfied by my meals. Healthy oils and fats sate hunger. But if I do need to snack I eat nuts.

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 3:34pm

This for instance is a doddle.

http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/chicken-recipes/perfect-roast-chicken

The only change I make is I use coconut oil instead of olive oil and I never have any herbs to stick in the chicken so I don't bother. You don't need to get the quantity of veg exact either. You then have 4 days worth of chicken. If you want to go as mental as me you can then make soup or broth with the carcass and the same kinds of veg you used earlier. All from a chicken that costs about a €10 (if you buy organic).

ROK ON · 29-07-2013 4:01pm

I had a paelo muffin from Pichet with an espresso as my snack.
Yummy.
Chicken and salad for lunch, and I will have prawns with some beetroot for dinner.

Lumen · 29-07-2013 4:06pm

Soarer wrote: »

Breakfast is a breeze. But I don't know what to "snack on" that' high fat/low carb.

Olives, nuts, cheese, ham.

j@utis · 29-07-2013 5:31pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

This for instance is a doddle.
<...>. All from a chicken that costs about a €10 (if you buy organic).

yeah, I cook whole chicken quite often too, organic of course. but I use the slow cooker for this. I coat it in whatever spices I can find in the cupboard with loads of salt and pepper, wrap it in tin foil and leave it in slow cooker for 3-4 hours. later just pop it under the grill for 20-30mins to crisp up the skin while I'm preparing veg for the side dish. easy peasy, always perfectly cooked chicken, meat falling of the bones, delicious crispy skin, all dripping with fat yummmy!!!

I would like some of it now but tonight's dinner is grilled grain free sausages with steamed veg with loads of butter. heaven.

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 5:47pm

j@utis wrote: »

wrap it in tin foil and leave it in slow cooker for 3-4 hours.

Excuse my ignorance but do you have water in there or just put it in dry?

I'm new to slow cooking and was under the impression that everything had to be in stew or soup form.

j@utis · 29-07-2013 6:18pm

I put little bit of water like half of cup or so outside the tin foil, chicken cooks in its own juices, no water necessary and it comes out moist and infused with spices. we never liked home roasted chicken before, because of the effort required and final result wasn't always perfect. We used to buy chicken breasts a lot but now other parts of the chicken are eaten first because they're so tasty.
it's really much easier than roasting in the oven: no need to check, baste or anything - just throw it into slow cooker and go off do other things. and it's cheaper too, slow cooker consumes 150 watts/hour comparing to good few kWh oven, probably 4kwh or more.

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 6:24pm

j@utis wrote: »

We used to buy chicken breasts a lot but now other parts of the chicken are eaten first because they're so tasty.

Amen to that.

Thanks for the tip, this week's chicken will be done your way. The slow cooker is a great device. The best thing I have slow cooked is this:
http://bipolarpaleo.blogspot.fr/2011/09/oxtail-stew.html

ROK ON · 29-07-2013 8:36pm

While we are on the subject of recipies would, I thought that I might randomly share some of mine.

This evening I made a prawn and spinach satay. Took about 10mins.

Prawns - bought from M&S
1 shallot
2 garlic cloves
Spoon of curry powder
Big spoon of peanut butter
Handful of baby spinach leaves.

Stirfry onion and garlic in small amount of oil, then add the curry powder and prawns. Stirfry prawns until orange.
Add peanut butter. Add small amount of water (200ml maybe).
Chop and add the spinach and some coriander.

Serve.

It's stunning. Simple and nutritious.
Looks great.
It is a superfast food - I challenge anyone to order a prawn curry from a takeaway in the time it takes to prepare this dish.

niceonetom · 29-07-2013 9:30pm

I've taken to having the odd espresso with a spoon of butter in it. There may be no hope for me.

DirkVoodoo · 29-07-2013 9:33pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq5H2Aqrb9s

niceonetom · 29-07-2013 9:39pm

It is though.

kumate_champ07 · 29-07-2013 10:12pm

since joining this cult Ive lost 11kg, I have increased mileage drastically but its mostly 120-125bpm HR for recovery. some weeks Ive had 2-3 cheat days which arent bad when the calories are being burned ,but Im trying to limit it to 1 day a week, most sweets taste like **** now anyway, it has to be something luxurious or a good ice cream

Ive perfected crispy bacon, my butchers sells it in vacum packs, best thing is after the fat is rendered off I fry veg in it, then when its cooked I cover with grated cheese! Im a half tub a day peanut butter man now, Id prob get sick of it if I ate more than that

petethedrummer · 29-07-2013 11:38pm

niceonetom wrote: »

I've taken to having the odd espresso with a spoon of butter in it. There may be no hope for me.

I've tried this too. But I wasn't going to be the first to admit it publicly.

TinyExplosions · 30-07-2013 8:51am

niceonetom wrote: »

I've taken to having the odd espresso with a spoon of butter in it. There may be no hope for me.

I used to like you... that's just wrong dude

duffyshuffle · 30-07-2013 10:41am

petethedrummer wrote: »

I've tried this too. But I wasn't going to be the first to admit it publicly.

Just sipping on a coffee with butter right now

wait till you're mixing in coconut oil and blending it so its like a latte

Great log, once you start eating more this way you,wonder why you never did it, and eating a big baguette suddenly makes you bloated and tired.
Do you follow Barry Murray on twitter, he's on4sport nutrition, think hes food guy for BMC and particularly Steve Cummings. He also does ultra running himself. I know more and more triathletes are heading that way, lots under his guide, he gave my triathlon (sorry) club a talk all about it if you we're in a club get in touch with him for a lecture!

PS love that people pick holes in a day sample diet, where their's might contain coco pops, sandwiches and pasta with scones and granola bars thrown in as snacks, but yours is the unbalanced ones:)

If it feels good keep it up

AstraMonti · 30-07-2013 10:46am

Why would you put butter in coffee?

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Is there any science behind it?

MB Lacey · 30-07-2013 10:58am

j@utis wrote: »

to loose weight you have too keep your insulin levels low and stable for your body to be able to access your body fat reserves.

low carb snacks are better option than say fruit or muesli bars or other heavily advertised junk but still you'd be better off eating less frequently.

are you referring to a fruit bar or piece of fruit as in orange/ apple?

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 11:40am

I was in a large coffee chain this morning and I realised the parallel world I am now living in. A woman ahead of me had ordered a latte asked "what's a cappucino?". The assistant said "iz like latte but more foam". Woman: "oh right, I see it has less calories, might get it next time."

I haven't got to the stage where I am converting strangers in coffee shops but I nearly started on her.

All the drinks have the calories listed. And all the treats have the saturated fat content listed. Nothing about sugar content. I looked to see what treats I would consider healthy and all I could see was roasted salted almonds and a jar of natural yoghurt. Everything else was sugar and wheat based. If I was a cynical man I would say people are being deliberately deceived.

MB Lacey · 30-07-2013 11:47am

This article is in today's Guardian, you might find some of it interesting
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/30/junk-food-calories

Zyzz · 30-07-2013 2:02pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

I was in a large coffee chain this morning and I realised the parallel world I am now living in. A woman ahead of me had ordered a latte asked "what's a cappucino?". The assistant said "iz like latte but more foam". Woman: "oh right, I see it has less calories, might get it next time."

I haven't got to the stage where I am converting strangers in coffee shops but I nearly started on her.

All the drinks have the calories listed. And all the treats have the saturated fat content listed. Nothing about sugar content. I looked to see what treats I would consider healthy and all I could see was roasted salted almonds and a jar of natural yoghurt. Everything else was sugar and wheat based. If I was a cynical man I would say people are being deliberately deceived.

If I'm not mistaken I think the majority of people (that don't have a small bit of healthy food eating knowledge) are completely unaware of the negative effect sugar has. It's more or less 'the more calories I consume, the fatter I get'

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 3:39pm

Zyzz wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken I think the majority of people (that don't have a small bit of healthy food eating knowledge) are completely unaware of the negative effect sugar has. It's more or less 'the more calories I consume, the fatter I get'

Well I think everyone knows its not good for you to some extent but you're not really told the true effects. And you're not told the physiology of what drives a person to crave and seek sugar. If you watch your colleagues going for sweets throughout the day, tiredness kicking in mid afternoon, trips to the sweet machine. It's like watching lab rats. I don't have cravings anymore and they think it is due to some enormous will power, it isn't. I just turned the sugar switch off.

Meanwhile they are all scared sh!tless of the fat on a chop. More fat for me.

Soarer · 30-07-2013 4:04pm

Mmmmm......chop fat!

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petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 4:16pm

Right who is the first to admit they have tried this.... Tom?
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-eat-insects/

Actually, I have in Malaysia at a fried insect stand. Grasshoppers are terrible. Crickets task like death. I had some sort of worm that was just about edible.

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 4:42pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

If you watch your colleagues going for sweets throughout the day, tiredness kicking in mid afternoon, trips to the sweet machine. It's like watching lab rats.

It's 16:30 and 1 person went for a chocolate from the tin in the centre of the office. 5 people went soon after. First guy went back again. Another guy is on his 3rd.

3 of these people are actively on a calorie cutting diet (and not losing weight). A different subset of 3 think I am insane in my eating habits.

Soarer · 30-07-2013 4:44pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

It's 16:30 and 1 person went for a chocolate from the tin in the centre of the office. 5 people went soon after. First guy went back again. Another guy is on his 3rd.

3 of these people are actively on a calorie cutting diet. A different subset of 3 them think I am insane in my eating habits.

I read that in an Attenborough accent!

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 4:47pm

Activity around the sweet tin has ceased.

Lumen · 30-07-2013 4:48pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

Right who is the first to admit they have tried this.... Tom?
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-eat-insects/

Actually, I have in Malaysia at a fried insect stand. Grasshoppers are terrible. Crickets task like death. I had some sort of worm that was just about edible.

Scorpions are tasty. Bit like shell-on prawns. But then most things are tasty if deep fried in spices.

I ate an unseasoned silk worm once during a tour of a silk factory in China. That was fairly grim.

Ole Rodrigo · 30-07-2013 4:52pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

Right who is the first to admit they have tried this.... Tom?
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-eat-insects/

Actually, I have in Malaysia at a fried insect stand. Grasshoppers are terrible. Crickets task like death. I had some sort of worm that was just about edible.

I tried a 'pick n mix' in Bangkok. Basically it was grasshoppers and water crickets. There was another more exotic, fleshy one I didnt get the name of. They were stir fried and sprayed with a sort of sweet soy sauce.

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 4:53pm

Lumen wrote: »

I ate an unseasoned silk worm once during a tour of a silk factory in China. That was fairly grim.

Were you walking round with your mouth open or was it intentional?

Lumen · 30-07-2013 5:09pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

Were you walking round with your mouth open or was it intentional?

IIRC part of the process involves blanching the worms before the silk is extracted. I picked one out of the vat and asked whether it was edible. I think they said it wasn't inedible, so I ate it.

I was a lot younger and a little stupider then.

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 5:16pm

Ah you're too hard on yourself, who wouldn't try to eat a worm on a tour of a chinese silk factory?

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 5:36pm

17:30: 3 of the original 6 returned to the tin. 1 new participant took from the tin (the new participant tends to not indulge as often, he is leanest indulger).

Just so we're clear, i posted this not to point and laugh but it seems that people on certain diets are driven to find sugary food. and the bigger you are. the more driven you are to seek sugary food. The leaner people tend to indulge less. Now are they leaner because they indulge less or do they indulge less because they are leaner and their genetics shields them from same sugar highs and crashes.

I tend to agree with Taubes that it's genetic and some people's metabolism can be derranged easier and that in the end your body weight (and misinformation) drives your consumption of sugar in a vicious circle. And your weight is not a sign of your moral fibre but your bodies attempt to clear sugar from the blood stream by converting it into fat. Of course I could be talking out my h0le.

Zyzz · 30-07-2013 5:41pm

You should throw in some laxatives and see who returns :pac:

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 5:57pm

Zyzz wrote: »

You should throw in some laxatives and see who returns :pac:

i'd be tempted to leave a bowl of nuts out to see how quick someone says "oh no they're fattening".

Lumen · 30-07-2013 6:22pm

Pete, the field of sugar substitutes and insulin-related health is fascinating.

For instance, I discovered today that Xylitol (used in chewing gum) may be fantastically healthy in humans in even in large quantities (being metabolised without any insulin response, and possibly preventing diseases like Alzheimers through maintaining gum health) but is absolutely deadly for dogs in very small quantities, as in them it triggers a huge insulin kick which sucks all the real sugar out of the blood causing fatal hypoglycemia.

I'm slightly tempted to start experimenting with low-GI energy drinks. The only downside is the possibility of severe gastric distress.

Zyzz · 30-07-2013 8:32pm

petethedrummer wrote: »

i'd be tempted to leave a bowl of nuts out to see how quick someone says "oh no they're fattening".

Depends on what nuts we are talking about..

petethedrummer · 30-07-2013 10:59pm

Lumen wrote: »

Pete, the field of sugar substitutes and insulin-related health is fascinating.

For instance, I discovered today that Xylitol (used in chewing gum) may be fantastically healthy in humans in even in large quantities

No. please stop. I can't read anymore. I'm on hiatus from nutrition.

petethedrummer · 01-08-2013 1:55pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSkQij6lGJ4

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