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Norwegian Air International discussion

  • 18-05-2017 2:37pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 44


    Being reported today that Norwegian air flights to get US preclearance at Dublin and Shannon. On plus side no queueing at the airports in the states.
    Slight negative being I think this means passengers can't bring their own sambos etc. on board. Many people(of which I am one) were intending to do this as a meal is not part of the base fare.
    Still great news overall.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭J.pilkington


    Kinda get the feeling that the cork route was the bait to get ireland to support their us DOT application and they have no long term interest in flying from the airport. They would never have gottten the support they received if it was a Dublin - US flight

    They are already dropping hints about cork airport not getting the traffic they proposed

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/cork-runway-may-be-too-short-for-norwegian-air-flights-to-new-york-1.3041237?mode=amp


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,940 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Kinda get the feeling that the cork route was the bait to get ireland to support their us DOT application and they have no long term interest in flying from the airport. They would never have gottten the support they received if it was a Dublin - US flight

    They are already dropping hints about cork airport not getting the traffic they proposed
    ......
    So just what so many aviation industry watchers were saying previously?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,233 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Of course Cork was the bait, but management and the government played right into their hands. If the flights are cancelled from cork I can't wait for the surprise! (There's a good chance they won't be though if they do well)

    Also, will this mean Norwegian will be operating from T2 in Dublin?


  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭MySandwich


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    Also, will this mean Norwegian will be operating from T2 in Dublin?

    I'd imagine so, since preclearance is done there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭duskyjoe


    Hmmmm, the green team won't like this


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,493 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Cb12345 wrote: »
    Slight negative being I think this means passengers can't bring their own sambos etc. on board.
    Why not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,233 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    What time do US CBP and emigration clock off? It was my understanding that there was only one shift of staff and they clock off early afternoon hence why some late US bound flights don't get to preclear

    Aer Lingus have 3 flights, Chicago, New York and Boston between 15:50 and 16:20. All of these flights pre-clear. All of Norwegians times are earlier than this.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭J.pilkington


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have 3 flights, Chicago, New York and Boston between 15:50 and 16:20. All of these flights pre-clear. All of Norwegians times are earlier than this.

    I took the late EI Boston flight only a few years ago and it didn't pre clear along with a few other flights and I seem to remember that it was due to US government staff not being available in the evenings. Must have changed since then.

    Google / boards telling me it was maybe due to budgetary restrictions.
    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056939576


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Thanks for this, it was one of the reasons I wasn't going to fly Norwegian but now with the new direct bus from Stewart starting in June it's looking more appealing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,233 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Why? It's not like you'll be spending hours in immigration at the great hub of Stewart International Airport if there wasn't pre-clearance?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,233 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I took the late EI Boston flight only a few years ago and it didn't pre clear along with a few other flights and I seem to remember that it was due to US government staff not being available in the evenings. Must have changed since then.

    Google / boards telling me it was maybe due to budgetary restrictions.
    http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056939576

    Reading that thread it comes across as a fairly temporary problem, I remember it vaguely. Friend of mine flew to Chicago on the late flight a few weeks ago and certainly pre-cleared.


  • Registered Users Posts: 44 Cb12345


    Victor wrote: »
    Why not?

    As I understand it you clear US customs before boarding the aircraft. You are not allowed bring in dairy,meat, fruit or veg. So that rules out sandwiches for me. I think you can bring in chocolate bars crisps snacks etc. But not regular sandwich fillers.
    Tayto doesn't count.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29 ursa actos


    Depends on the sandwich. Yer wan in the shop in the duty free area was nice enough to warn us we weren't allowed bring ham sandwiches but turkey was ok. Didn't have any issue bringing those through, along with some other snacks, dairy milk bars etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Will Norwegian air budge Aer Lingus prices at all no?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    I was hoping this too.
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Will Norwegian air budge Aer Lingus prices at all no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭john boye


    Operating out of both T1 & T2 is kind of apt given that they're "separate" carriers....

    I guess the USPC is a good selling point for them (assuming it doesn't add too much on to their fares), I can't imagine the average Joe Soap will realize that the arrival airport isn't likely to be teeming with international flights.


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 PlaneLover


    Hi, was looking at booking flights from DUB to PVD in July... anyone know what plane it will be operated with? Can't seem to find any clarity between B738 and B737max...

    Cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    PlaneLover wrote: »
    Hi, was looking at booking flights from DUB to PVD in July... anyone know what plane it will be operated with? Can't seem to find any clarity between B738 and B737max...

    Cheers

    Try SeatGuru
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Will Norwegian air budge Aer Lingus prices at all no?

    No, you will be paying for the convenience to not be dropped 1.5 hours away from JFK or Boston. A lot of people would value that along with the service element Aer Lingus and the other tiers offer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    ironclaw wrote: »
    No, you will be paying for the convenience to not be dropped 1.5 hours away from JFK or Boston. A lot of people would value that along with the service element Aer Lingus and the other tiers offer.

    JFK is only convenient for New York City – for anyone heading elsewhere in the state SWF could well be a better choice as it avoids the hell that is the Van Wyck Expressway.

    Similarly, Providence has a catchment area all of its own.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Noxegon wrote: »
    JFK is only convenient for New York City – for anyone heading elsewhere in the state SWF could well be a better choice as it avoids the hell that is the Van Wyck Expressway.

    Similarly, Providence has a catchment area all of its own.

    Curious what the average traveller would want to go see in New York state besides Manhattan and then Buffalo / Niagara in the North? If you are heading for Cape May / Ocean City / Beaches, you may as well fly into PHL. Providence I can understand for Martha's Vineyard etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,233 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Noxegon wrote: »
    JFK is only convenient for New York City – for anyone heading elsewhere in the state SWF could well be a better choice as it avoids the hell that is the Van Wyck Expressway.

    Similarly, Providence has a catchment area all of its own.

    Can this catchment sustain these flights? It's all fine and well saying these areas have their own catchment, but if nobody wants to go there or there's hardly anyone living there to fly then it's pretty useless.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭etselbbuns


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Will Norwegian air budge Aer Lingus prices at all no?
    I observed AA were offering Pvd-Phl-Dub return for $320 in August. That is definitely the norwegian entry effect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,447 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Curious what the average traveller would want to go see in New York state besides Manhattan and then Buffalo / Niagara in the North? If you are heading for Cape May / Ocean City / Beaches, you may as well fly into PHL. Providence I can understand for Martha's Vineyard etc.

    For those who wish to spend their trip in Woodbury Commons, it would be an ideal location! I have family who spend the Summer in the Hudson Valley which is very beautiful. Neither SWF nor JFK would be sensible airports for Buffalo or Niagara. The value proposition will need to be there or it won't last. I suspect it will be successful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    etselbbuns wrote: »
    I observed AA were offering Pvd-Phl-Dub return for $320 in August. That is definitely the norwegian entry effect.

    That's a very specific routing they've adjusting price on, though. It doesn't seem to have had much impact on general US-DUB prices.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,940 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Victor wrote: »
    Why not?

    US pre clearance inckudes customs. They have restrictions on what foods can be brought through CBP.
    I think its no whole fruit, no seeds, and no meat.

    Kinda restricts your "packed lunch" options


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭jjbrien


    Tenger wrote: »
    US pre clearance inckudes customs. They have restrictions on what foods can be brought through CBP.
    I think its no whole fruit, no seeds, and no meat.

    Kinda restricts your "packed lunch" options

    Sounds like a good business oppetunity however open a sandwich bar just after pre-clearance!

    When is the first flight due to take off? Id love to get some feedback as thinking of taking one myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭sparrowcar


    jjbrien wrote: »
    Sounds like a good business oppetunity however open a sandwich bar just after pre-clearance!

    When is the first flight due to take off? Id love to get some feedback as thinking of taking one myself.

    July 1st


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    First flight from Dublin today and flying from Terminal Two.

    https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/live-departures


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭mikel97


    So just show passport and visa and after approval now technically in us and a? What a plus++


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Galway_Born


    Hi there, can I ask, how was flying with Norweigan Air? I'm using them soon and have been a bit scared by horror stories popping up on Twitter! Lots of lost luggage, queues etc. Did you have any of that going through Dublin or on return leg?

    Thanks very much :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Hi there, can I ask, how was flying with Norweigan Air? I'm using them soon and have been a bit scared by horror stories popping up on Twitter! Lots of lost luggage, queues etc. Did you have any of that going through Dublin or on return leg?

    Thanks very much :)

    Hey, flying myself soon, some mad stories on twitter alright most seem to be from UK though.

    I've been watching another thread on here, not sure if you've seen it, some reviews coming in from pages 50 on, theres' one on the page I'll link. Hope that helps

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057677885&page=60


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Galway_Born


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Hey, flying myself soon, some mad stories on twitter alright most seem to be from UK though.

    I've been watching another thread on here, not sure if you've seen it, some reviews coming in from pages 50 on, theres' one on the page I'll link. Hope that helps

    That's great, had a read through, both terrifying and satisfying at same time! Basically a long Ryanair flight! Once I get there without losing luggage and without having flights cancelled I'll be able to deal with whatever is thrown at me...famous last words!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    That's great, had a read through, both terrifying and satisfying at same time! Basically a long Ryanair flight! Once I get there without losing luggage and without having flights cancelled I'll be able to deal with whatever is thrown at me...famous last words!

    Me too, I'm quite excited by it to be honest. It's a bit of an adventure.

    I get the feeling we'll be ahead of the curve :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    I think it's safe to say that so far, these flights have been nothing short of disastrous unfortunately


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    I think it's safe to say that so far, these flights have been nothing short of disastrous unfortunately

    Can you elaborate? I've seen them on the boards in Dublin Airport but never heard anything, good or bad.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Galway_Born


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Me too, I'm quite excited by it to be honest. It's a bit of an adventure.

    I get the feeling we'll be ahead of the curve :pac:

    Someone said to me that if the flight is direct, there's less chance of the bags getting lost, only if there is connecting flights can it be trouble. Hopefully that's right.

    I'm thinking of heading to the check in desk a little early in case of long queues on the morning of flight. Choice of either queuing and waiting for desk to open, or queuing at end of long queue of people checking in! Difficult choice!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Can you elaborate? I've seen them on the boards in Dublin Airport but never heard anything, good or bad.

    Sorry, I clicked into the wrong thread. I am basing it on what I have seen in SNN. Flights cancelled and pax being put on a bus to Belfast recently was ridiculous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Galway_Born


    So, I'm back from my trip with Norweigan Air, and overall they were great, both directions. I'll elaborate a bit more in this reply so if anyone else is thinking of using them, they'll have whatever info available that I was wondering myself about it.

    We travelled to Dublin from Galway, I was wondering about what would be a good time to get there because the travel PDF we got said that check in was available from 12:30pm (2 hours before the flight). We didn't want to get there too early before the check in desk opened in case we had to wait until 12:30pm but also didn't want to get there too late in case there was a big queue ahead of us, already waiting to check in.

    We got to Dublin Airport at 11:45 ahead of a 2:30pm flight and headed straight for the Norweigan desk and were able to check in straight away, with no queue. We checked in one large suitcase and kept one carry on case each as well as a backpack each.

    In hindsight, I think we could have got away with just having one carry on case each between us, and not taken the large case at all, which cost something like 35/45 per flight, which would obviously make it cheaper but seeing as it was summer when we went there, we wore light clothes and I took too many long trousers. If we travelled in winter / autumn, more warm clothes would be needed and so the extra case probably needed.

    Anyways, we checked in no problem, there is a 10kg weight restriction on your carry on luggage, which seems like it is a combination of your backpack (if you have one) plus your carry on case. I say "seems like" because on the way over they only weighed my carry on case and took no notice of the backpack, but on the way back, they measured both together but thankfully they were under the limit when combined. So just in case you're thinking of sticking loads into your backpack, be wary in case you're stung.

    We went thru the airport security quite quickly and once we were thru there, I bought sandwiches and a drink for the flight. When ordering the flights, you get the option of paying for food, but we thought it was expensive and so decided against it. I put the food and drink into my rucksack and then we headed to the US pre-approval area, which also had a security checkpoint that we had to go thru and put the bags thru. I was sure my food and drink would be taken off me when going thru, but they paid no heed to it!

    We went to the departure gate and waited there for the flight, I had heard loads of nightmares on Twitter about the service, delays etc, but for ours it was perfect, everything seemed to run on time. And as it's assigned seating, there was no Ryanair style rush to get on, although we did still try to get on pretty sharpish to ensure we had overhead cabin space which can be a problem on any flight these days.

    There were spaces on the flight also and so some people asked if they could be moved and the hostesses were happy enough to give a row of three seats to a couple of lads who slept for most of the journey.

    For the journey itself, I found the leg room to be great and could pretty much stretch my legs easily enough, although I'm under 6ft so might not be as comfortable for others.

    There's no in-flight entertainment, but we had plenty of stuff downloaded to watch on our phones or tablets so that wasn't an issue.

    They advertise Wifi on their flights, but that seems to only be for European flights, or at least on only some planes which have the feature installed. Ours didn't anyways.

    I mentioned the food aspect earlier, and although you won't get meals if you don't order in advance, there is a trolley which goes thru during the flight where you can get sandwiches, coffee / tea / drinks. Prices were okay, not cheap but not rip offs either.

    Flight experience wise, it was probably the best long haul I've had, which surprised me a lot. We landed at the airport in Stewart in what seemed to be the softest landing I've ever had, and despite the horror stories, our checked bag was waiting for us and we got thru the airport very quickly. Outside there was a bus waiting for us to bring us to New York, which cost 20dollars and can be either booked in advance or on the bus. It didn't leave immediately, but after about 20 mins we were on the road.

    The bus took about 100mins roughly to get to the bus terminal in New York, which is pretty busy because it's a stones throw away from Times Square! So be prepared for a manic walk thru New York for a Subway station if you're not getting a taxi / picked up by someone.

    On the return leg, it was pretty much the same. The buses are lined up at 30mins intervals from 3pm, 3:30 and 4pm I think it is, ahead of a flight at 8.30, so whatever one you get, you're gonna have a bit of a wait at the airport. We got the 3:30 bus which we were a bit lucky to get on as there was more people who arrived just after us who weren't able to fit on.

    At the airport in Stewart, prices are ludicrous. So if you can, have a huge eat somewhere in New York, although in most places in New York, you'll be ripped off too!

    But after the horror stores we'd heard of flights getting cancelled and huge delays, our flight left right on time and got us to Ireland on schedule. Again, flight was easy, slightly less comfortable because the tiredness of the week caught up on me but Norweigan were great.

    Overall, I found Norweigan to be brilliant. I don't know whether our flights were lucky or once-offs, but I can't really find anything to criticise them about. If you're happy to fly with Ryanair, these guys are just the same and I would definitely recommend them to others, but with the proviso that others may not have had the experience that I have had.

    So, to anyone who has flights booked and are worried I hope that this might ease the worries a bit, and I hope your flights with them are as good as mine were.

    ps, I hope it goes without saying, but I don't work for Norweigan, not am I affiliated with them in any way!

    Happy flying!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Anyways, we checked in no problem, there is a 10kg weight restriction on your carry on luggage, which seems like it is a combination of your backpack (if you have one) plus your carry on case. I say "seems like" because on the way over they only weighed my carry on case and took no notice of the backpack, but on the way back, they measured both together but thankfully they were under the limit when combined. So just in case you're thinking of sticking loads into your backpack, be wary in case you're stung.

    Thanks for the review, sounds good.

    Never thought they'd be weighing the carry on once it was the size, so thanks for the heads up as I'm only bringing a carry on.

    Also, thanks for the tip on Stewart.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Galway_Born


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Thanks for the review, sounds good.

    Never thought they'd be weighing the carry on once it was the size, so thanks for the heads up as I'm only bringing a carry on.

    Also, thanks for the tip on Stewart.

    No problem, hope it's a bit of help anyway. Defo be wary on the weight restriction, I have a feeling that might be where they recoup a bit of money, in charging people who bring too much luggage!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    No problem, hope it's a bit of help anyway. Defo be wary on the weight restriction, I have a feeling that might be where they recoup a bit of money, in charging people who bring too much luggage!

    Yeh really great advice thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    No problem, hope it's a bit of help anyway. Defo be wary on the weight restriction, I have a feeling that might be where they recoup a bit of money, in charging people who bring too much luggage!

    My top tip for the States is bring nothing. Clothing is infinitely cheaper, even more so if you hit the outlets and have some cash to spend.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Great review Galway_Born, thanks
    If we travelled in winter / autumn, more warm clothes would be needed and so the extra case probably needed.

    Just a tip for you, if you do a lot of travelling, you should check out Marino Wool clothing and goose feather or synthetic jackets.

    My goose feather jacket compresses into about the size of my fist, but was more then warm enough for hiking across the mountains of Norway in snow!

    With layering and Marino Wool, etc. you really don't need to bring much more clothes even in winter.

    Uniqlo does "cheap" goose feather jackets and Lidl/Aldi do "cheap" Marino Wool base layers and T-Shirts every few months.
    ironclaw wrote: »
    My top tip for the States is bring nothing. Clothing is infinitely cheaper, even more so if you hit the outlets and have some cash to spend.

    Only think to watch out for is that the sizes and fit are quite different then in Europe. If you have an athletic fit, I find US sizes end up looking poor. As a result I've given up on buying clothes in the US, with the exception of Uniqlo which is more Asian/European fit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Galway_Born


    bk wrote: »
    Great review Galway_Born, thanks

    Just a tip for you, if you do a lot of travelling, you should check out Marino Wool clothing and goose feather or synthetic jackets.

    My goose feather jacket compresses into about the size of my fist, but was more then warm enough for hiking across the mountains of Norway in snow!

    Thanks man :) I'll have to check out Marino Wool Clothing too, that sounds amazing!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Thanks man :) I'll have to check out Marino Wool Clothing too, that sounds amazing!

    Yes, well worth getting too if you do any sort of outdoor sports in winter. Running, cycling, soccer, etc.

    That is how I learned about it, through my interest in hiking, but makes for great travel gear too. Not "cheap", but very good quality and last for years and SO warm and comfy :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 993 ✭✭✭737max


    how long until 737Max ETOPS certification?
    Does it arrive soon enough for them to be able to plan additional Spring/Summer routes in 2018?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,233 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    737max wrote: »
    how long until 737Max ETOPS certification?
    Does it arrive soon enough for them to be able to plan additional Spring/Summer routes in 2018?

    I'd imagine it would have it by then, I've read something saying it should take no more than a few months.

    Will they use the MAX in Europe or continue TATL is the question.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    bk wrote: »
    Great review Galway_Born, thanks



    Just a tip for you, if you do a lot of travelling, you should check out Marino Wool clothing and goose feather or synthetic jackets.

    My goose feather jacket compresses into about the size of my fist, but was more then warm enough for hiking across the mountains of Norway in snow!

    With layering and Marino Wool, etc. you really don't need to bring much more clothes even in winter.

    Uniqlo does "cheap" goose feather jackets and Lidl/Aldi do "cheap" Marino Wool base layers and T-Shirts every few months.



    Only think to watch out for is that the sizes and fit are quite different then in Europe. If you have an athletic fit, I find US sizes end up looking poor. As a result I've given up on buying clothes in the US, with the exception of Uniqlo which is more Asian/European fit.

    Great tips, will try Uniqlo for that jacket when in London in a few days.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,006 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Great tips, will try Uniqlo for that jacket when in London in a few days.

    Yes, they are great value for money. They aren't as good as the goose feather jacket I have for hiking from Rab, but then that costs 4 times more!

    I was delighted when I picked up the Uniqlo one. It allows me keep the expensive Rab one good for just hiking use and use the Uniqlo one for casual wear all winter long and when travelling. Also the styling of the Uniqlo ones is less hiking and more casual wear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Backpack20


    Took a spur of the moment trip to New York last week . Booked the flights two days before departure. 240 return , which was very good ! Anyways , just want to say how pleased I was with Norwegian airlines. Aircraft was a 737 max flying to New York, lovely mood lighting in the cabin , flight attendants were very friendly and proactive. Although the flight didn't have wifi, they had overhead monitors that played various shows with subtitles. Seats were comfy and good recline. I found the cabin very spacious and modern. Getting from the airport to newyork was a breeze, bus right outside the terminal, bus had wifi and charger ports . Someone probably wrote a similar review to this, I just wanted to share my positive experience .

    Also for the flight home , I went to a corner deli in the city and got a sandwich made and some Fruit and snacks for like 7 dollars. That's the price of a overpriced panini on the flight...


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