Berlin "safe zone" for women on NYE

JenovaProject · 30-12-2017 2:49am #1

Is this the future for Europe?
Segregating women for their safety.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42502984

Doesnt seem right to me,especially in a place like Germany where women should be free to mingle with who they please without being assaulted.

It must be a serious enough issue if the Germans are putting women in a separate area.

ArchXStanton · 30-12-2017 2:53am

You'd think at this stage they'd cop da fcuk on....but muh European values

Atlantic Dawn · 30-12-2017 2:57am

They probably just need to spend €235k per year in the first year on each of those they are bringing in, like we do here...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/cabinet-to-hear-11-5m-needed-to-relocate-40-calais-minors-1.2930693

Old Perry · 30-12-2017 3:01am

Women who have been assaulted or feel harassed will be able to get support at a special "safety zone", staffed by the German Red Cross, on Ebertstrasse.
Construction crews set up a stage in preparations to the New Year Eve's party at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, Germany, 28 December 2017Image copyrightEPA
Image caption
Preparations are under way for the New Year Eve's party at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin
The city's police have also issued advice to women, encouraging them to seek help if they feel threatened and to carry a small bag with no valuables.
The 'right amount' of panic for women in public
Undercover in London, catching harassers on the Tube
Cologne officials set up a "security point", staffed by social workers and psychologists, at the city's 2016 carnival following the New Year's Eve attacks.
But the idea of a special safe zone for women at large public events has not been welcomed by everyone.
Critics say it does not tackle the perpetrators of sexual violence, while some others complain it is discriminatory.

The article

JenovaProject · 30-12-2017 3:02am

No need for money.
Just segregate women and men and cancel other religious events like Hanukkah.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/12/german-city-cancels-hanukkah-due-to-security-concerns/

Original source is Bild Zeitung in case this source is anti-anything.

JenovaProject · 30-12-2017 3:03am

Old Perry wrote: »

Women who have been assaulted or feel harassed will be able to get support at a special "safety zone", staffed by the German Red Cross, on Ebertstrasse.
Construction crews set up a stage in preparations to the New Year Eve's party at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, Germany, 28 December 2017Image copyrightEPA
Image caption
Preparations are under way for the New Year Eve's party at the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin
The city's police have also issued advice to women, encouraging them to seek help if they feel threatened and to carry a small bag with no valuables.
The 'right amount' of panic for women in public
Undercover in London, catching harassers on the Tube
Cologne officials set up a "security point", staffed by social workers and psychologists, at the city's 2016 carnival following the New Year's Eve attacks.
But the idea of a special safe zone for women at large public events has not been welcomed by everyone.
Critics say it does not tackle the perpetrators of sexual violence, while some others complain it is discriminatory.

The article

This is the problem!

Junkyard Tom · 30-12-2017 3:06am

The German people need to get tough on this shit. Arm the women with pepper-spray with dye in it and let the lads cops sort out the fuckers. If any immigrant is caught at it they should be deported, who gives a shit where, drop them off in Afghanistan.

idle · 30-12-2017 3:22am

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

JenovaProject · 30-12-2017 3:26am

idle wrote: »

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

Id still be going if it was myself and my partner,just keeping an eye out for signs of any trouble brewing.
Enjoy,hopefully youve a great time and see no trouble whatsoever.

JackTaylorFan · 30-12-2017 5:25am

'Wasn't there a similar uproar over a music festival for women only recently, too? People claiming it was discriminatory - mostly men; whilst others decried that it's not acceptable that women should need "safe spaces" in the first place.

Tackling the problem of sexual violence needs to be a priority, but it can't be done on one singular night of the year.

And either way, large public grouping require a large level of security these days...

My own discomfort here, is my own uneasiness around the influx of immigrants - which cannot be denied is causing problems in Germany. I like to think I'm liberal... but yeah...

ceadaoin. · 30-12-2017 5:31am

idle wrote: »

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

I don't know. Given that thousands of organised rapes and sexual assaults happened all across Germany on new years eve a couple of years ago, I certainly wouldn't feel safe.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 30-12-2017 5:37am

Fcuk Germany.

Let them import half the third world in to fcuck their women. Who gives a sh1t , let them go, it doesn't mean that we have to allow them to mess up the world for the third time in 100 years.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-12-2017 6:35am

idle wrote: »

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

No, but then you shouldn't be going to Branenburger Tor either! Tourist trap!

30-12-2017 6:54am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The German people need to get tough on this shit. Arm the women with pepper-spray with dye in it and let the lads cops sort out the fuckers. If any immigrant is caught at it they should be deported, who gives a shit where, drop them off in Afghanistan.

Oh that'd go down well in Germany. It wouldn't even be like having to go to the the bother of painting the Star of David on the door like in previous times, more of a "spray anyone dark skinned and get them kicked out" invite.

BoJack Horseman · 30-12-2017 7:13am

JenovaProject wrote: »

Is this the future for Europe?
Segregating women for their safety.

More or less, yes.

And yes, "their safety" will be the excuse used.

But, I'm sure future European women will enjoy being at the back of busses, planes & having their own train carriages..... Inshallah.

fatknacker · 30-12-2017 7:38am

I'd love my own train carriage, sounds like fkin heaven!

Malayalam · 30-12-2017 7:45am

I do sense a sort of ironic blowback effect with feminists generally on the side of unrestrained migration facing a future now where women are advised to jog in pairs in certain cities, advised to stay home after dark unless they can be in large groups, offered segregation zones for their safety at public events, refused service at streetside cafes in certain parts of Paris, and so on. Advice may soon be offered about decent, non-provocative clothing and social behaviours that are for their own safety. It is sad.

Kermit.de.frog · 30-12-2017 8:25am

I read a story about a crib not allowed in Beaumont Hospital due to "sensitivities"

It was'nt "new Irish" or immigrants. It was the clowns running the hospital who decided the old and dying should not have the last semblance of comfort in their life (their belief).

You'd have to ask are the natives the problem or the newcomers unltimately?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-12-2017 8:45am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I read a story about a crib not allowed in Beaumont Hospital due to "sensitivities"

It was'nt "new Irish" or immigrants. It was the clowns running the hospital who decided the old and dying should not have the last semblance of comfort in their life (their belief).

You'd have to ask are the natives the problem or the newcomers unltimately?

Going off topic.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but: you really need to start a new thread on that one.

silverharp · 30-12-2017 9:06am

looks like germany is the new surrender monkey of europe

Kermit.de.frog · 30-12-2017 9:07am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Going off topic.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but: you really need to start a new thread on that one.

Not going to start a thread but it angered me because I have seen the dying old people in that hospital - they care nothing of material things - and they are deprived of the things that matter to them.

A crib means fcuk all to us, but to them it's all that is left. It's their faith and belief before they die - a comfort - deprived for stupid reasons.

In relation to the thread it's the question of whether the natives make these things worse. Ergo this in Berlin.

RobbieTheRobber · 30-12-2017 9:16am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not going to start a thread but it angered me because I have seen the dying old people in that hospital - they care nothing of material things - and they are deprived of the things that matter to them.

A crib means fcuk all to us, but to them it's all that is left. It's their faith and belief before they die - a comfort - deprived for stupid reasons.

In relation to the thread it's the question of whether the natives make these things worse. Ergo this in Berlin.

Beaumont is a private hospital and the management of it have decided a hospital reception is no place for religious iconography.

They do have a crib, in what seems to me to be the correct place for religious iconography, a Chapel.

"Beaumont has a crib in the hospital chapel, which is open to all staff, patients and relatives. Daily Mass is held here at 1pm and all are welcome.”

So what is the problem really here?

Vladimir Poontang · 30-12-2017 9:20am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not going to start a thread but it angered me because I have seen the dying old people in that hospital - they care nothing of material things - and they are deprived of the things that matter to them.

A crib means fcuk all to us, but to them it's all that is left. It's their faith and belief before they die - a comfort - deprived for stupid reasons.

In relation to the thread it's the question of whether the natives make these things worse. Ergo this in Berlin.

Was it the natives going around groping women en masse at previous events?

Kermit.de.frog · 30-12-2017 9:21am

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Beaumont is a private hospital and the management of it have decided a hospital reception is no place for religious iconography.

A crib? For the overwhelmingly catholic old dying is too much for reception?

Has to be down below in the chapel?

Disgraceful, end of. No debate to be had.

Beaumont is a public hospital by the way.

Boom_Bap · 30-12-2017 9:24am

idle wrote: »

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

Not at all, you won't see any problems there except people over indulging on Bratwurst.

Richard Hillman · 30-12-2017 9:30am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The German people need to get tough on this shit. Arm the women with pepper-spray with dye in it and let the lads cops sort out the fuckers. If any immigrant is caught at it they should be deported, who gives a shit where, drop them off in Afghanistan.

Who would have thought that after all these years, the UN would be our biggest threat to peace and security.

Time to wrap it up and look after our civilization.

RobbieTheRobber · 30-12-2017 9:33am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A crib? For the overwhelmingly catholic old dying is too much for reception?

Has to be down below in the chapel?

Disgraceful, end of. No debate to be had.

Beaumont is a public hospital by the way.

:D:D:D
You have no credible argument so its end of debate. Gas altogether.
Why should a crib be in the foyer instead of the chapel?

Kermit.de.frog · 30-12-2017 9:35am

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

:D:D:D
You have no credible argument so its end of debate. Gas altogether.
Why should a crib be in the foyer instead of the chapel?

Why should it not be?

Are you offended by it?

P.S you said Beaumont was a private hospital - I take it you accept it is not.

RobbieTheRobber · 30-12-2017 9:38am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why should it not be?

Are you offended by it?

It is not there because the board of management have within their rights decided not to place one there this year.

No I am not offended by it in the slightest, it is merely another tacky christmas decoration to me, just like the lights and santas.

Are you offended by a lack of religious iconography being placed in the beaumont hospital foyer but in their chapel instead?

Boom_Bap · 30-12-2017 9:40am

Beaumont Hospital in Berlin?

Kermit.de.frog · 30-12-2017 9:42am

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

No I am not offended by it in the slightest, it is merely another tacky christmas decoration to me, just like the lights and santas.

I'll put this as delicately as possible.

There is an old demographic around that hospital.

A lot of old people are in their last days there. They know an Ireland different to ours.

Why deprive them of the simplest comfort - and that of their relatives? This is who they are.

As I said this stuff may mean fcuk all to you and me, but believe me, it means something to them.

I don't get it? What is the point?

What is the bloody point of doing that?

Cork Lass · 30-12-2017 9:46am

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Beaumont Hospital in Berlin?

Who knew :pac:

RobbieTheRobber · 30-12-2017 9:48am

Is this safe zone not just bad PR nonsense though?

I mean at large events like these do they not normally have an area where I can go get first aid, assistance etc. Aren't there usually security or police or both around these areas and first aid responders.
So what makes this safe zone different from these areas normally at large events, what makes this one a safe zone for women?
Can a distressed male not go in, what about lost male children?

Im confused by this, and the few links i have read have given no real info either.

silverharp · 30-12-2017 9:55am

i believe this is a more correct take on the story

https://www.rt.com/news/414587-berlin-women-safety-zone/

New Year’s Eve festivities in the German capital will be marked by a “safety area” for women seeking refuge from harassment, following cases of mass sexual misconduct during country’s celebrations over the past few years.
The New Year’s Eve festival at Berlin’s Brandenburg Gate area will have a special zone where women subjected to sexual offences or who otherwise feel harassed during the celebrations will have a "haven" to seek shelter and report a potential crime. The zone bears an English name: “Women's Safety Area.”

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-12-2017 10:09am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not going to start a thread but it angered me because I have seen the dying old people in that hospital - they care nothing of material things - and they are deprived of the things that matter to them.

A crib means fcuk all to us, but to them it's all that is left. It's their faith and belief before they die - a comfort - deprived for stupid reasons.

In relation to the thread it's the question of whether the natives make these things worse. Ergo this in Berlin.

Trust me, having lived in Berlin for the last nine years, it is most certainly not Berlin. The natives in Berlin are far more tolerant of the traditions and faiths of different groups, be they Christian, Islam, Judaism or whatever; as well as different sub-cultures and special-interest groups that would fall outside relgious definitions.

As to the thread at hand, this is not a segregation of a "women-only party-zone" - it's a retreat zone for women who have been victims of sexual assault or molestation. It's not a party anything.

A while back, there was a thread here on whether or not a slap on the ass of a woman was acceptable and, while it was by no means a majority, a surprising amount of people said they saw no problem with it. And they weren't all muslims or immigrants.

I'd argue that such an area would see just as much use in a Dublin nightclub than a Berlin NYE party.

RobbingBandit · 30-12-2017 10:20am

Put them all in Herr Merkel masks no one wants to hit that.

c_man · 30-12-2017 10:26am

Bigots. Next they'll want segregated toilets.

_Brian · 30-12-2017 10:27am

It’s pretty much an admittance of failure if policing when you look at it.

“We’re not able to keep you safe out in the general population, so come over here behind the razor wire where we can keep an eye on you”

As others mentioned the big problem is it does nothing to deal with the perpetrators but expects the potential victims to move to safety, a sort of passive agressive victim blaming.

Zipppy · 30-12-2017 10:36am

idle wrote:

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

we were on Cologne city centre for NYE 2 years ago..saw nothing out of the ordinary.. Were shocked to hear of the goings on the following morning.
I'm sure you'll be fine...

BillyBobBS · 30-12-2017 10:38am

Malayalam wrote: »

I do sense a sort of ironic blowback effect with feminists generally on the side of unrestrained migration facing a future now where women are advised to jog in pairs in certain cities, advised to stay home after dark unless they can be in large groups, offered segregation zones for their safety at public events, refused service at streetside cafes in certain parts of Paris, and so on. Advice may soon be offered about decent, non-provocative clothing and social behaviours that are for their own safety. It is sad.

Tough sh1t. Anyone who warned about this years back was called a racist/nazi and other such nonsense. This stuff is only the start and i have zero sympathy for the nation Germany will become over the coming years.

The Backwards Man · 30-12-2017 11:01am

I was in Germany once, got my hand chopped off for flushing a toilet after 10pm. The new normal.

Damn them allowing the invaders come over here and objectify, demean and violate our woman. That's a white man's job.

Hande hoche! · 30-12-2017 11:40am

silverharp wrote: »

looks like germany is the new surrender monkey of europe

I would feel bad about it but I would laugh heartily if Poland invades Germany.

weldoninhio · 30-12-2017 11:53am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not going to start a thread but it angered me because I have seen the dying old people in that hospital - they care nothing of material things - and they are deprived of the things that matter to them.

A crib means fcuk all to us, but to them it's all that is left. It's their faith and belief before they die - a comfort - deprived for stupid reasons.

In relation to the thread it's the question of whether the natives make these things worse. Ergo this in Berlin.

If someone is old and dying in hospital, why the fcuk would they be down hanging around the foyer?? Non story.

Ulysses Gaze · 30-12-2017 12:37pm

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Tough sh1t. Anyone who warned about this years back was called a racist/nazi and other such nonsense. This stuff is only the start and i have zero sympathy for the nation Germany will become over the coming years.

You do realise that in a few years some of these fine upstanding immigrants will have access to German passports and thus the run of Europe.

Germany's problem today, Europe's problem ever after.

History will not be kind to "Mutti"

Odhinn · 30-12-2017 1:10pm

JenovaProject wrote: »

Is this the future for Europe?
Segregating women for their safety.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42502984

Doesnt seem right to me,especially in a place like Germany where women should be free to mingle with who they please without being assaulted.

It must be a serious enough issue if the Germans are putting women in a separate area.

No, they aren't. From your own article.

Women who have been assaulted or feel harassed will be able to get support at a special "safety zone", staffed by the German Red Cross, on Ebertstrasse.

PeterParker957 · 30-12-2017 1:24pm

Odhinn wrote: »

JenovaProject wrote: »

Is this the future for Europe?
Segregating women for their safety.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42502984

Doesnt seem right to me,especially in a place like Germany where women should be free to mingle with who they please without being assaulted.

It must be a serious enough issue if the Germans are putting women in a separate area.

No, they aren't. From your own article.

Women who have been assaulted or feel harassed will be able to get support at a special "safety zone", staffed by the German Red Cross, on Ebertstrasse.

Harassed like they were in Cologne clearly.

4068ac1elhodqr · 30-12-2017 1:31pm

Luckily Germany's near neighbours over in Sweden, seem not to have had this similar type of issue, ah wait...

6 Jul 2017 - Sweden's biggest music festival will be replaced next year by a 'women-only alternative' after reports of a series of rapes and sexual assaults at this year's event

Del2005 · 30-12-2017 1:40pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You do realise that in a few years some of these fine upstanding immigrants will have access to German passports and thus the run of Europe.

Germany's problem today, Europe's problem ever after.

History will not be kind to "Mutti"

There are 2nd and 3rd generation Turkish immigrants, whose parents were invited to Germany to work, living in Germany who can't get a German passport.

Del2005 · 30-12-2017 1:42pm

JenovaProject wrote: »

Is this the future for Europe?
Segregating women for their safety.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42502984

Doesnt seem right to me,especially in a place like Germany where women should be free to mingle with who they please without being assaulted.

It must be a serious enough issue if the Germans are putting women in a separate area.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the perpetrators identified as women, claimed harassment and had to be let into the zone.

Testament1 · 30-12-2017 1:52pm

idle wrote: »

Myself & herself are heading to Berlin for New Years. We've decided the best place to ring in the new year is this party at the Branderburg Gate. Though I've read a lot about the influx of migrants into Germany I wasn't overly concerned til I came across this article. Should I be worried??

I was over in Berlin visiting a friend earlier in the year. Turns out it was the same weekend as the anniversary of German reunification. There was a big open air concert at the Brandenburg Gate with free entry which we attended. We had a great time, didn't see anyone being hassled and don't recall hearing any reports of trouble after the event either.

Go, enjoy yourselves and just use the same common sense you would in any large city and you'll be fine!

BowSideChamp · 30-12-2017 2:07pm

Rape free zones, thanks Angela. I'm feeling the multiculturalism now.

Berlin "safe zone" for women on NYE

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