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Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

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  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    I have not heard of any other suspects being questioned or charged.

    In 2015 Virginia Roberts brought a civil case against Epstein alleging that when she was 17, Epstein had "trafficked" her for sex to several men, naming Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz a high profile lawyer, political writer and commentator, among others. Both strenuously deny these allegations.

    Epstein settled the case.

    As far as I can tell no further official investigation of Roberts allegations have taken place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    It sounded like he was in serious trouble last time but essentially got away with it. Is this the real deal this time, will there be any actual accountability?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,357 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    This is a good article from last year which details just how serious his crimes were, and how he essentially got away with it back then. It seems to be at least partly responsible for shining a light on the whole thing again.


    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges.

    Epstein was arrested for sex trafficking of MINORS, considering who Epstein is connected to this is potentially huge and could conceivably see major figures in the political, business, entertainment etc world go down.

    Interestingly a browse of the 'Liberal' media headlines from Ireland and abroad shows that they are downplaying/obscuring the most significant point that it was trafficking of Minors IE Children.


    Hardly surprising. I hope justice is served and they find everyone who was ever involved no matter how powerful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    In 2015 Virginia Roberts brought a civil case against Epstein alleging that when she was 17, Epstein had "trafficked" her for sex to several men, naming Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz a high profile lawyer, political writer and commentator, among others. Both strenuously deny these allegations.

    Epstein settled the case.

    As far as I can tell no further official investigation of Roberts allegations have taken place.
    You don't settle something like that you clear your name imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Remember he was an acquaintance of Trrump, Prince Andrew and others.

    A lot of people were around him.And if they didn't engage in his activities it is likely they at least knew the rumors about them.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The bigger story from a couple of days before his arrest was a judge ruling that a load of the documents be made public, including names.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    The bigger story from a couple of days before his arrest was a judge ruling that a load of the documents be made public, including names.


    Good on the judge.

    I would love to read it if anyone has a link?


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    As bad as he is, I don't think a 'Centre For The Torture of Epstein' , in which paying visitors are allowed to torture the man until he dies of old age, with all proceeds going to the victims of sexual abuse, is the right answer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭jobless



    i dont see any play button on this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    jobless wrote: »
    i dont see any play button on this

    It's probably for iPhone try this https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/how-stuff-works/behind-the-bastards/e/59498647

    It's 2 parts, about 2hrs in total.

    What happened with the previous court case and the sealing of documents and everybody immune from prosecution is unbelievable, talk about a sweet heart deal.
    There's one thing in all this and that's did all his clients actually know these girls were underage. I think it would be hard to prove, which probably means Jeff will take the wrap for everything.
    Still, Bill and Spacey on the same flights doesn't look good. Bill had 12 trips in one year and left his security detail behind a few times.

    Trump called out Bills trouble in the clip a bit up and called out Jeff on a number of occasions stretching back nearly 20 years. I think he might have to fire Alexander Acosta if he's fingers are anywhere near it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Trump called out Bills trouble in the clip a bit up and called out Jeff on a number of occasions stretching back nearly 20 years. I think he might have to fire Alexander Acosta if he's fingers are anywhere near it.

    Well his fingers are right on it.

    It’s true that they may not have known these girls were minors but nevertheless I don’t think society, if not the law, will forgive anybody named here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Well his fingers are right on it.

    It’s true that they may not have known these girls were minors but nevertheless I don’t think society, if not the law, will forgive anybody named here.

    Your faith in the US justice system and society needs recalibration.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2014/4/1/headlines/du_pont_heir_avoids_jail_time_on_child_molestation_conviction

    "A wealthy heir to the du Pont family chemical fortune has avoided prison, despite being convicted of raping his three-year-old daughter."

    "Delaware Superior Court Judge Jan Jurden said Robert Richards IV should be spared jail time because he would “not fare well” behind bars."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Hobosan wrote: »
    Your faith in the US justice system and society needs recalibration.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2014/4/1/headlines/du_pont_heir_avoids_jail_time_on_child_molestation_conviction

    "A wealthy heir to the du Pont family chemical fortune has avoided prison, despite being convicted of raping his three-year-old daughter."

    If not the law means the law might forgive, but society won’t. So I don’t trust the system.

    Obviously the fact that Epstein was let off so lightly is telling, but it looks like the FBI want to get their guy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    If not the law means the law might forgive, but society won’t. So I don’t trust the system.

    Obviously the fact that Epstein was let off so lightly is telling, but it looks like the FBI want to get their guy.

    "The FBI want to get their guy"... Are you having a laugh?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Well his fingers are right on it.

    You do know Trump helped with the investigation and was thanked for helping.

    I have know doubt he likes good looking women, in fairness what men with healthy levels of testosterone don't and I applaud the man for saying it. Men have never been as put down in society since Hillary lost. We need more men not afraid to swing their balls, we've a generation on our hands afraid to approach women and we have the most depressed women in the world. We've got it wrong acting like a country of democrats, RTE makes me want to move to Russia with their hate of trump and love of the Clintons.

    You think the Feds have their guy and that guy is Trump...:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Remember he was an acquaintance of Trrump, Prince Andrew and others.

    Didn’t Trump ban him from Mar a Lago??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Hobosan wrote: »
    "The FBI want to get their guy"... Are you having a laugh?

    Are you incapable of logic. In your last post you didn’t understand a simple sentence structure.

    The FBI didn’t throw the last case. The prosecutors did. You should perhaps learn the difference between the two.

    With the vacation of the last non prosecutorial agreement the cops acted quickly here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    You do know Trump helped with the investigation and was thanked for helping.

    I was talking about Acosta.
    You think the Feds have their guy and that guy is Trump...:D

    God almighty. Can anybody read here?

    There are multiple suspects here. Trump is one of the least likely, given some of his “hints” as to what
    Epstein was up to.

    But Clinton and Trump both need to be investigated and the others.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    That this has so quickly been framed in party political terms is rather depressing. The man is a perv, his own history is known and damning

    I would like to think that most sane people would like to see anyone who took part in Epstein's diddling punished severely.

    If Bill Clinton was diddling, may he never see daylight. If Trump was diddling, may he get the same. If there were others that I've never heard of partaking in the diddling, lock 'em up for life too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    peddlelies wrote: »
    Can only imagine the fallout that will happen if this implicates any well known higher ups. Please let them all be named and shamed.

    I'd go a lot further. There wasn't just kiddie rape there. There was trafficking too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Are you incapable of logic. In your last post you didn’t understand a simple sentence structure.

    The FBI didn’t throw the last case. The prosecutors did. You should perhaps learn the difference between the two.

    With the vacation of the last non prosecutorial agreement the cops acted quickly here.

    "The FBI didn't throw the last case"

    OK I'm with you here...

    "The prosecutors threw the case"

    Alarm bells, alarm bells, alarm bells.

    "it looks like the FBI want to get their guy"

    Hmmm, this sounds eerily familiar... where have I come across this sentiment before... and why am I expecting alarm bells?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    It definitely means some democrats are likely in the firing line.

    This kind of stuff is more about wealth than politics. It'll be bipartisan. What will be interesting is how it's handled by the parties. If, for example, Trump and Clinton are both wrapped up in this, the reaction of their respective parties and voters will be interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Everybody who was on the island must have been aware of what was going on. I can’t imagine there were any total innocents on the planes.

    The podcast mentioned Stephen Hawkings, sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,226 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I really don't see why people are "Clinton/Trump may not have been involved, but it's more likely Trump/Clinton was!"

    Anyone suspected of being involved or having knowledge of it should be fully investigated, charged and sentenced. If Clinton and/or Trump engaged in anything like that, lock them up. Throw them in the same prison. Have Saturday Night Live change it's name to "Bill & Don: (Cell)Mates for Life" and just do skits about them both until they're both dead.

    Some things do not need to be politicised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    This kind of stuff is more about wealth than politics. It'll be bipartisan. What will be interesting is how it's handled by the parties. If, for example, Trump and Clinton are both wrapped up in this, the reaction of their respective parties and voters will be interesting.

    Well, yes. We’re already seen some defensiveness here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    This is a good article from last year which details just how serious his crimes were, and how he essentially got away with it back then. It seems to be at least partly responsible for shining a light on the whole thing again.


    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

    The work of the Miami Herald can't be praised highly enough in this situation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    The bigger story from a couple of days before his arrest was a judge ruling that a load of the documents be made public, including names.

    That's today, if I'm not mistaken.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Hobosan wrote: »
    "The FBI didn't throw the last case"

    OK I'm with you here...

    "The prosecutors threw the case"

    Alarm bells, alarm bells, alarm bells.

    "it looks like the FBI want to get their guy"

    Hmmm, this sounds earily familiar... where have I come across this sentiment before... and why am I expecting alarm bells?

    Because you don’t understand how the US legal system works? I don’t know. Nor do I know where you heard exactly what before.

    If the FBI wanted to throw this case it wouldn’t have gotten to trial in the first place. They’ve done that before, I’m sure, particularly to protect sources or whatever, but not here.

    There was a 53 page inditement. The prosecutor made a deal, that’s not the FBI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    But Clinton and Trump both need to be investigated and the others.

    You can't help but throw Trump into it..Trump is on the prosecutions side if you haven't been paying attention.



    Hillary's a wicked woman and should be locked up. I'm sure Tuburdy will have her back to cry for us if poor Bill gets his dues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Aka he is Bullet proof

    Aye Alex Acosta, now Trump's Labor Secretary, was the prosecutor responsible for the ridiculously light Plea Bargain that Epstein took.

    "Under the federal charges, Mr. Epstein could have faced life in prison. After the deal, he served 13 months in jail. He had work-release privileges for six days a week, 12 hours each day, during which a private driver picked him up and took him to a nearby office."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/07/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-trump.html

    13 months and addition to the Sex Offenders register was/is and always will be ridiculously laughable for the crimes of which he was accused.


  • Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Because you don’t understand how the US legal system works? I don’t know. Nor do I know where you heard exactly what before.

    If the FBI wanted to throw this case it wouldn’t have gotten to trial in the first place. They’ve done that before, I’m sure, particularly to protect sources or whatever, but not here.

    There was a 53 page inditement. The prosecutor made a deal, that’s not the FBI.
    It's not a question of how the US legal system works, it's a question of 'if' the US legal system works.

    I am inclined to be pessimistic in that regard under any and all circumstances.

    If a child rapist can avoid prison, I feel justified in my pessismism.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭rireland


    You can't help but throw Trump into it..Trump is on the prosecutions side if you haven't been paying attention.



    Hillary's a wicked woman and should be locked up. I'm sure Tuburdy will have her back to cry for us if poor Bill gets his dues.

    Love Trump. Get goosebumps watching that video.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    This kind of stuff is more about wealth than politics. It'll be bipartisan. What will be interesting is how it's handled by the parties. If, for example, Trump and Clinton are both wrapped up in this, the reaction of their respective parties and voters will be interesting.

    trump was involved in this. at least one woman has filed charges against trump saying that he raped her when she was 13 at Epsteins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    trump was involved in this. at least one woman has filed charges against trump saying that he raped her when she was 13 at Epsteins.

    Source?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Source?

    Links to court documents and video testimoney are here.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1068605537246425088.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,226 ✭✭✭✭Penn




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    trump was involved in this. at least one woman has filed charges against trump saying that he raped her when she was 13 at Epsteins.

    Yeah, there's a lot of smoke there alright. He went on one of his twitter meltdowns last night after the news broke. Even started harping on about the wall.

    It will be interesting to see what comes out over the coming days. I think there's be quite a few famous names revealed between celebs and politicians of both US parties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Penn wrote: »

    my links discusses that court document and also has video testimony.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Yeah, there's a lot of smoke there alright. He went on one of his twitter meltdowns last night after the news broke. Even started harping on about the wall.

    It will be interesting to see what comes out over the coming days. I think there's be quite a few famous names revealed between celebs and politicians of both US parties.

    i think there is a bit more than smoke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    my links discusses that court document and also has video testimony.

    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,226 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6

    Wait, that's the person who wrote the article? Oh well then the court documents and video testimony and corroborating evidence is all irrelevant then.

    Trump 2020! MAGA!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6

    why not read the court filing instead of dismissing it because you dont like the author of the article?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Ah, if trump’s involved we should forget about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I don't believe it. There's nothing those wicked Clintons wouldn't try to protect themselves including pushing someone to make fake claims. We hear how easy it is to do every day here, there's no punishment for making false claims.
    That looks like it was filed in 2016, didn't the democrats try the same stunt with Comey.
    Comeys daughter is one of the prosecutors in the new case by the way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    I don't believe it. There's nothing those wicked Clintons wouldn't try to protect themselves including pushing someone to make fake claims. We hear how easy it is to do every day here, there's no punishment for making false claims.
    That looks like it was filed in 2016, didn't the democrats try the same stunt with Comey.
    Comeys daughter is one of the prosecutors in the new case by the way.

    So you accept any claim against democrats but none against trump?

    Everybody on this list needs investigation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,391 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6

    What the hell has that to do with anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    So you accept any claim against democrats but none against trump?

    Everybody on this list needs investigation.

    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.

    No I get that. That’s one case though. There’s the other case against him. Although that may not be in this list of inditements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.

    these documents relate to cases filed against trump AFTER epsteins sweetheart deal.


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