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Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking charges

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    #92
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    my links discusses that court document and also has video testimony.

    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6


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    #93
    Penn
    Registered Users Posts: 33,233 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6

    Wait, that's the person who wrote the article? Oh well then the court documents and video testimony and corroborating evidence is all irrelevant then.

    Trump 2020! MAGA!


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    #94
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,154 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6

    why not read the court filing instead of dismissing it because you dont like the author of the article?


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    #95
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Ah, if trump’s involved we should forget about it.


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    #96
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I don't believe it. There's nothing those wicked Clintons wouldn't try to protect themselves including pushing someone to make fake claims. We hear how easy it is to do every day here, there's no punishment for making false claims.
    That looks like it was filed in 2016, didn't the democrats try the same stunt with Comey.
    Comeys daughter is one of the prosecutors in the new case by the way.


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    #97
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I don't believe it. There's nothing those wicked Clintons wouldn't try to protect themselves including pushing someone to make fake claims. We hear how easy it is to do every day here, there's no punishment for making false claims.
    That looks like it was filed in 2016, didn't the democrats try the same stunt with Comey.
    Comeys daughter is one of the prosecutors in the new case by the way.

    So you accept any claim against democrats but none against trump?

    Everybody on this list needs investigation.


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    #98
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yea I'd take he's musings on Trump with a large pinch of salt. This is the author of that article by the way.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2KPDzW1ETddKiSWb6

    What the hell has that to do with anything?


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    #99
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    So you accept any claim against democrats but none against trump?

    Everybody on this list needs investigation.

    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.


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    #100
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.

    No I get that. That’s one case though. There’s the other case against him. Although that may not be in this list of inditements.


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    #101
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,154 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.

    these documents relate to cases filed against trump AFTER epsteins sweetheart deal.


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    #102
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Cody montana wrote: »
    What the hell has that to do with anything?

    There using the musings of a trump hating democratic school kid to imply the president raped 12 and 13 year olds repeatedly.
    Paper never refused ink, democrats just trying every dirty trick in the book. Why did she wait until he was running for president, I think she a liar. We'll find out at some stage I presume. That's 2 author saying her case matches some articles is pure bull, of course it matches seen as she probably read them.


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    #103
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,154 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your not getting that Trump is part of the prosecutions case and was thanked public on TV for his assistance, he's not on the defence, he already gave information he had a few years ago when they were trying to take Epstein down. That information he gave may be revealed in these documents, I'm not sure.
    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There using the musings of a trump hating democratic school kid to imply the president raped 12 and 13 year olds repeatedly.
    Paper never refused ink, democrats just trying every dirty trick in the book. Why did she wait until he was president, I think she a liar. We'll find out at some stage I presume. That's 2 author saying her case matches some articles is pure bull, of course it matches seen as she probably read them.

    so you haven't even read it but you already assume she is a liar?


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    #104
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    these documents relate to cases filed against trump AFTER epsteins sweetheart deal.

    Yes. That's why I think the dirty democrats chanced their arm and nothing came of it. I've no doubt Hillary had a fist in it somewhere.
    On the other hand we have Trump sitting down with women who claimed they were raped by Clinton and nobody cares except Donald.


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    #105
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There using the musings of a trump hating democratic school kid to imply the president raped 12 and 13 year olds repeatedly.
    Paper never refused ink, democrats just trying every dirty trick in the book. Why did she wait until he was president, I think she a liar. We'll find out at some stage I presume. That's 2 author saying her case matches some articles is pure bull, of course it matches seen as she probably read them.

    I believe her.
    Trump already admitted on tape to groping woman.
    Hopefully all will be revealed.


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    #106
    James Brown
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    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Remember he was an acquaintance of Trrump, Prince Andrew and others.

    Prince Andrew has a shady previous on same. It was buried.


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    #107
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so you haven't even read it but you already assume she is a liar?

    Talk about double standards.


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    #108
    Penn
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Why did she wait until he was president

    She didn't. He wasn't President when she filed the charges.


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    #109
    BorneTobyWilde
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    This whole episode had the potential to expose both high profile Democrats and Republicans, from Clinton to Trump. Who is responsible for the arrest of Epstein? Who ever it is, he's going rouge. Too many people with a lot to lose, he'll be put in his box very fast I'd imagine. This will go no where.


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    #110
    ohnonotgmail
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    Talk about double standards.

    what double standard would that be? I read it before posting. did you read it before responding?


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    #111
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,118 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so you haven't even read it but you already assume she is a liar?

    Based on what I did read of it yes I think she's a liar it's opportunistic timing that suited Hillary's campaign much like Blasey Ford.


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    #112
    drunkmonkey
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    Cody montana wrote: »
    I believe her.
    Trump already admitted on tape to groping woman.
    Hopefully all will be revealed.

    You mean grab her by the pussy while chatting to other blokes. Burn him at the stake, sweet Jesus have you never had a private conversation with other men that's assuming you are one. Women are well able to chat about guys too.


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    #113
    Cheerful Spring2
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    auspicious wrote: »
    So all those nut job conspiracy theorists raving about pizzagate a couple of years back were entirely wrong...?

    Nothing new here, these kind of stories i read years ago on conspiracy forums. Allegations there was sex trafficking rings for the rich and famous. I not one bit shocked by this at all..Of course the Skeptics attacked people online for talking about it and were saying it all unfounded conspiracy junk.

    Pizzagate is a separate story to this. There was odd messages found in John Podesta leaked emails, and some people believe the messages contained coded messages about child molestion and human trafficking?

    I read some of those messages in the Podesta emails and they are definately odd and weird and out of place and never fully explained satifactory. It was then alleged John Podesta and others raped young underage kids at a Pizza place in Washington DC, this is unproven allegation and no evidence found.

    We still need to separate the two stories from each other though.

    Still there is undeniable facts- Bill Clinton and John Podesta are close friends and allegations exist both men were involved in underrage sex rings. We have to wait and see how this plays out.


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    #114
    BorneTobyWilde
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    https://www.aviloop.com/

    What part will she play in all this. She was 18 at the time and part of Epstein's circle, she took part in his sex sessions with teen girls, having lesbian sex with them and using strap ons, on them ,as Epstein watched on.
    She went on to great things , no doubt with Epstein backing her up for her silence in return.


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    #115
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    This whole episode had the potential to expose both high profile Democrats and Republicans, from Clinton to Trump. Who is responsible for the arrest of Epstein? Who ever it is, he's going rouge. Too many people with a lot to lose, he'll be put in his box very fast I'd imagine. This will go no where.

    Maybe. But a second cover up will make more news. There will be public pressure this time.


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    #116
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Epstein supposedly got the sweetheart deal because he provided information to the FBI, which was headed by Robert Mueller at the time.
    https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1148085376927485952

    Mueller was also the man who let David Asimov (son of sic fi author Isaac) walk after he was caught with the largest collection of child pornography in California history.


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    #117
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Nothing new here, these kind of stories i read years ago on conspiracy forums. Allegations there was sex trafficking rings for the rich and famous. I not one bit shocked by this at all..Of course the Skeptics attacked people online for talking about it and were saying it all unfounded conspiracy junk.

    Pizzagate is a separate story to this. There was odd messages found in John Podesta leaked emails, and some people believe the messages contained coded messages about child molestion and human trafficking?

    I read some of those messages in the Podesta emails and they are definately odd and weird and out of place and never fully explained satifactory. It was then alleged John Podesta and others raped young underage kids at a Pizza place in Washington DC, this is unproven allegation and no evidence found.

    We still need to separate the two stories from each other though.

    Still there is undeniable facts- Bill Clinton and John Podesta are close friends and allegations exist both men were involved in underrage sex rings. We have to wait and see how this plays out.

    If you really look into Pizzagate then it becomes obvious that there seems to be something to it.
    Most people (the types who dismiss it) rely on second hand information from liberal media outlets and thus don't really know anything about it.


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    #118
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You mean grab her by the pussy while chatting to other blokes. Burn him at the stake, sweet Jesus have you never had a private conversation with other men that's assuming you are one. Women are well able to chat about guys too.

    That’s assault.
    I’ve never in my life heard other men boasting of that.
    Different circles perhaps.


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    #119
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Harvey Weinstein wrote: »
    If you really look into Pizzagate then it becomes obvious that there seems to be something to it.
    Most people (the types who dismiss it) rely on second hand information from liberal media outlets and thus don't really know anything about it.

    Plenty of idiots have said exactly those words - "If you look into it then it becomes obvious that there's something there".

    If you mean, that elites have been diddling kids for years, then sure. That sort of thing has happened and been reported.

    If you mean the actual claims of actual Pizzagate, then that turned out to be horse-shít and most of its marks have moved on to QAnon at this stage. The central claim was that diddling was going on in the basement of a pizza restaurant that didn't have a basement. If that doesn't raise a red flag for you, I don't know what to say.


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    #120
    Harvey Weinstein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Plenty of idiots have said exactly those words - "If you look into it then it becomes obvious that there's something there".

    If you mean, that elites have been diddling kids for years, then sure. That sort of thing has happened and been reported.

    If you mean the actual claims of actual Pizzagate, then that turned out to be horse-shít and most of its marks have moved on to QAnon at this stage. The central claim was that diddling was going on in the basement of a pizza restaurant that didn't have a basement. If that doesn't raise a red flag for you, I don't know what to say.

    With all due respect you're wrong if you think that the central claim was the pizza parlour basement (which did exist, confirmed by the owner previous to his claim that it didn't)
    That was just a tiny part of the whole thing. The reason it was called Pizzagate is because of the claim that 'Pizza' was a code for a children.
    Something which was confirmed recently when a tech writer called Dr Pizza' was arrested for attempting to procure a child for sex.
    He called himself this since 1999 and made numerous references online to pizza which can be read as children.

    Also this Epstein case has many ties to Pizzagate as Ghisaline Maxwell (Son of Robert) is a key figure in PGate and is also suspected as being chief 'procurer' of underage girls for Epstein.


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    #121
    rireland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 90 ✭✭rireland


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You mean grab her by the pussy while chatting to other blokes. Burn him at the stake, sweet Jesus have you never had a private conversation with other men that's assuming you are one. Women are well able to chat about guys too.

    I was watching an episode of Friends at the weekend. Joey was talking about how his housemate was going to bring girls over and then he mentioned how they were going to be drunk as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5YckMkwmm4&t=242s

    Later in the episode, he and Ross were talking about the girls and Ross said stop talking about them like they were objects. Then he said "just kidding" and they both laughed.

    It was different times back then.


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