Immigration authorities raid places of employment

These people should be shipped out and never allowed back, no matter their background or sob story. Ship out the kids. Ship out the grannies. Ship out anyone that harbored them or employed them. We need more doctors and nurses from South East Asia and India, not more layabouts and W*A*S*T*E*R*S (we have enough of them in the Irish population already).

FTA69 wrote: »

If they were arrested at a place of work how would they be layabouts or wasters?

They aren’t wasters. Far from it.

As an employer, lads coming here on student visas etc are great grafters. But they can only work twenty hours per week and forty during their holidays etc.

This isn’t explained to them properly, in my experience, when they are obtaining their student visas.

I have hired three recently for part time positions. Two from Brazil and one girl from Mexico. Two have since left purely because I wasn’t able to give them full time hours. They were surprised at this for some reason but the law is the law.

Allowing in a lot of young people from relatively low wage countries with the impression they can learn English, work full time, save a few bob and have a nice few years in Europe isn’t being nice to them.

All three will end up working illegally or having to go home after spending a few grand on college fees, a large chunk on health insurance and relocating costs. 20 hours per week at €11.50 will only afford you a shared bed and subsistence money.

The student visa is a huge scam and it’s not being kind to lads to allow them over under false impressions and false hopes. None had more than two grand in their bank account and were all under pressure. The government should be ensuring that they have a large wad of available cash to finance their stay before approving their visas.

The language visa route is the biggest source of overstayers and illegals in the country. Most will have PPSN so they will be paying tax too. Revenue don’t give a damn about their status and won’t liaise with INIS or the GNIB if a lad is paying his taxes.

The whole system needs to be overhauled and it’s why we see a dozen poor sods living in two or three bed properties all across the Dublin. I expect it’s the same in urban areas across Ireland.

I’m relatively anti mass immigration myself but felt very sorry for all three. Great young people and I just thought how worried their families back home would be if they knew of their situation. If I could have done more for them, legally, I would have. Many an Irish emigrant was in a similar bind.

It’s a mess.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

They aren’t wasters. Far from it.

As an employer, lads coming here on student visas etc are great grafters. But they can only work twenty hours per week and forty during their holidays etc.

This isn’t explained to them properly, in my experience, when they are obtaining their student visas.

I have hired three recently for part time positions. Two from Brazil and one girl from Mexico. Two have since left purely because I wasn’t able to give them full time hours. They were surprised at this for some reason but the law is the law.

Allowing in a lot of young people from relatively low wage countries with the impression they can learn English, work full time, save a few bob and have a nice few years in Europe isn’t being nice to them.

All three will end up working illegally or having to go home after spending a few grand on college fees, a large chunk on health insurance and relocating costs. 20 hours per week at €11.50 will only afford you a shared bed and subsistence money.

The student visa is a huge scam and it’s not being kind to lads to allow them over under false impressions and false hopes. None had more than two grand in their bank account and were all under pressure. The government should be ensuring that they have a large wad of available cash to finance their stay before approving their visas.

The language visa route is the biggest source of overstayers and illegals in the country. Most will have PPSN so they will be paying tax too. Revenue don’t give a damn about their status and won’t liaise with INIS or the GNIB if a lad is paying his taxes.

The whole system needs to be overhauled and it’s why we see a dozen poor sods living in two or three bed properties all across the Dublin. I expect it’s the same in urban areas across Ireland.

I’m relatively anti mass immigration myself but felt very sorry for all three. Great young people and I just thought how worried their families back home would be if they knew of their situation. If I could have done more for them, legally, I would have. Many an Irish emigrant was in a similar bind.

It’s a mess.

You only pay 11.50/hour because you can
And you can do that because there are so many "English language students" in the country.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The man was reported to immigration and had people show up, due to the colour of his skin. I might be a bit p*ssed off myself if that happened. I can't believe people are giving him sh*t over this.

Anyway. You'd be hard pressed to get your chicken balls and curry sauce delivered ever again if they really did crack down on illegals in places of employment.

Where was it mentioned it was down to the colour of his skin.
Many ways to tell someone is not from Ireland.
Now let me make this clear I am not saying that people are not abused due to their skin colour.
I am saying in this case the woman reported this brown skin person (their words) to immigration because he spoke back and she would have done the same to a white person.

Anyway back on topic.
Good to see actual enforcement of the law in this country.
As mentioned already, hit the taxis in Dublin next that would be some fun watching that work its way through the media.

yesto24 wrote: »

And why is that the average pay?
Because there are plenty of people to work at that rate.
Less people the rate will go up.
I know it will have knock on increase in the final cost but don't tell me importing a load of people into the country willing to work for that and less does not depress wages.

Importing young relatively unskilled non English speakers who are under the impression they can work full time and earn enough to save, pay their bills and use Ireland as a base to travel around Europe is unfair on them just as much as it is unfair on the natives who will have to compete with them.

It’s a shambles of a system and huge numbers will overstay or work full time against the terms of their visas.

Most are engaged in some form of employment in the State, typically in more informal job sectors such as restaurants and domestic work, and are living on very meagre incomes," the researchers found.

"Many have been with the same employer for several years and, interestingly, many pay income tax and PRSI through their employment."

Researchers found many undocumented obtained PPS numbers after arriving in Ireland on foreign student schemes which also allowed them to work and can last for up to seven years.

However, when the scheme ended they remained here and continued working, despite not being legally entitled to so.

The most common jobs worked by the undocumented included positions in the restaurant and catering industry (16.3pc); domestic work (7.2pc); cleaning and maintenance (4.1pc); shopping and retail (4pc); and manufacturing (3.2pc).

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/30000-foreign-nationals-living-here-illegally-29827536.html

There are sweet feck all NERA officers in the country. Less than fifty. I’ve only encountered one and I’ve been managing and operating hotels and bars for over a decade.

The system needs to be radically overhauled as it’s benefiting nobody but the colleges, the INIS who get the fees, landlords and employers looking for cheap and easily abused labour.

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

No, because to me it's proven on a daily basis. If you want to dismiss it as bull**** go ahead but doesn't mean it's not there.

You're free to leave.
If you choose to stay all anyone wants to hear is that the Irish are the kindest most welcoming people in the world.

You would do well to remember that.

marieholmfan wrote: »

You're free to leave.
If you choose to stay all anyone wants to hear is that the Irish are the kindest most welcoming people in the world.

You would do well to remember that.

That’s a myth. The Irish are no more hospitable or inhospitable than the rest of the world.

I would say that it’s hard for migrants here to make friends with Irish people. We do tend to stick with the same clique we’ve been in with since school, sport clubs, growing up or college.

I worked abroad on a short term contract a few years ago. Over the Christmas period I was away from my young child and my wife. I was a bit down coming up to Christmas as I was working straight through and I couldn’t go home.

I had numerous offers from my coworker to attend Christmas dinner at their homes. I was shocked by that. I don’t think an Irish person would ever invite a foreign coworker around for Christmas so they don’t feel lonely.

It opened my eyes a bit. We aren’t as overly welcoming and open as we like to congratulate ourselves for.