Immigration authorities raid places of employment

Pronto63

Good to see a crack down on people in the state illegally.


https://www.thejournal.ie/warehouses-searched-immigration-legislation-5010047-Feb2020/

Fr_Dougal

Social welfare payments
During the same search, DEASP officers suspended a number of payments, including Disability Allowance, Rent Supplement and Child Benefit, as a result of this operation and estimated that the State made potential savings of €100,000.
The second search operation was conducted on Tuesday, 11 February. Members of the GNIB accompanied officers from the WRC and DEASP to search the offices and warehouse of a meat processing company in Co Meath.

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Spook_ie

If only they'd put up check points for taxi drivers, pretty sure it's endemic in the taxi industry, and ALL taxi drivers are supposed to carry their SPSV identity cards ( not the ones on the dash but the "smart" credit card size ones.

Rufeo

I think this is great.

Pronto63

Spook_ie wrote: »

If only they'd put up check points for taxi drivers, pretty sure it's endemic in the taxi industry, and ALL taxi drivers are supposed to carry their SPSV identity cards ( not the ones on the dash but the "smart" credit card size ones.

Heard of a checkpoint, a couple of months ago, late one night in Eyre Sq.

There was panic among the taxi drivers trying to get out of the area!

Redneck Reject71

It is also abused here lately. I work in the equestrian field with liveries' woman I called out for abusing he horse ended up calling immigration saying I was here illegal and working, They show up demanding my card and proof of address which I have. She is standing there all smug and after they reviewing my paperwork, they told her to cop on and stop wasting time. So what I've learned it's not down to be brown here.

Mongfinder General

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

It is also abused here lately. I work in the equestrian field with liveries' woman I called out for abusing he horse ended up calling immigration saying I was here illegal and working, They show up demanding my card and proof of address which I have. She is standing there all smug and after they reviewing my paperwork, they told her to cop on and stop wasting time. So what I've learned it's not down to be brown here.

Unfortunately you'll find that the class of people who make up the horse racing industry in this country look down on the rest of Irish society like **** on their shoe. Kudos to you. You kept your cool and immigration told her to **** off.

Kivaro

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

So what I've learned it's not down to be brown here.

So you've learned that after ONE woman called immigration on you, and then she was told to cop on by the same authorities, that's it's not down to be brown in this country.

That's a bit odd.

Atlantic Dawn

Tip of the iceberg, when you keep your head buried in the sand you won't find any crime.

tjdaly

These people should be shipped out and never allowed back, no matter their background or sob story. Ship out the kids. Ship out the grannies. Ship out anyone that harbored them or employed them. We need more doctors and nurses from South East Asia and India, not more layabouts and W*A*S*T*E*R*S (we have enough of them in the Irish population already).

Redneck Reject71

Kivaro wrote: »

So you've learned that after ONE woman called immigration on you, and then she was told to cop on by the same authorities, that's it's not down to be brown in this country.

That's a bit odd.

To be honest I have loads of others stories based on my skin tone.That one is the only one I chose to share. And you dismissing the one I shared speaks volumes.

Lord Fairlord

Pronto63 wrote: »

Good to see a crack down on people in the state illegally.


https://www.thejournal.ie/warehouses-searched-immigration-legislation-5010047-Feb2020/

The question is, will the 11 people given deportation orders actually end up deported?

Lefty Bicek

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

To be honest I have loads of others stories based on my skin tone.That one is the only one I chose to share. And you dismissing the one I shared speaks volumes.

He/she didn't dismiss your story, as I read it.

Rather dismissed the ridiculous conclusion you drew from the evidence you provided.

No ?

Redneck Reject71

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

He/she didn't dismiss your story, as I read it.

Rather dismissed the ridiculous conclusion you drew from the evidence you provided.

No ?

No, because to me it's proven on a daily basis. If you want to dismiss it as bull**** go ahead but doesn't mean it's not there.

Millicently

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

To be honest I have loads of others stories based on my skin tone.That one is the only one I chose to share. And you dismissing the one I shared speaks volumes.

Ah play me a song on the worlds smallest violin. Jesus wept, poor you. There are bullies all over the world in every country in every industry. You claim to have been picked on because of your colour, people get picked on for being fat, thin,tall, short any number of things. But I'm really tired of people playing the race card in this country. Don't like it, explore other options for working or living, but don't tar the people of this country as racist.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Lord Fairlord wrote: »

The question is, will the 11 people given deportation orders actually end up deported?

Not before many solicitors and barristers make a small fortune appealing their deportation orders.

The system is seriously flawed in this country. A deportation order should be final, no appeal process or delay. If you have not been able to provide documentation or proof to show you have a right to stay here then that should be it. Appeals at huge cost to the state shouldn’t be required.

FTA69

tjdaly wrote: »

These people should be shipped out and never allowed back, no matter their background or sob story. Ship out the kids. Ship out the grannies. Ship out anyone that harbored them or employed them. We need more doctors and nurses from South East Asia and India, not more layabouts and W*A*S*T*E*R*S (we have enough of them in the Irish population already).

If they were arrested at a place of work how would they be layabouts or wasters?

FTA69

Millicently wrote: »

Ah play me a song on the worlds smallest violin. Jesus wept, poor you. There are bullies all over the world in every country in every industry. You claim to have been picked on because of your colour, people get picked on for being fat, thin,tall, short any number of things. But I'm really tired of people playing the race card in this country. Don't like it, explore other options for working or living, but don't tar the people of this country as racist.

Give over. They said that they had experienced racism in Ireland, not that all Irish people are racist. There’s a difference like. There are people in Ireland who are xenophobic and thick and abuse people for that reason, they exist like; we’ve all met one.

Someone should be allowed race that without effectively told to ‘f*ck off back to your own country’.

coinop

The number of illegal migrants working in the taxi industry is staggering, not that Ireland has any investigative journalists who are willing to blow the lid on this scam for fear of being called "racist" by a hippy in Galway. Fair play to these Dublin taxi drivers. Citizens need to take matters into their own hands. The authorities are too slow to kick these illegals out of the country.

https://www.facebook.com/YellowVestIreland/videos/430823237547394/

suicide_circus

Spook_ie wrote: »

If only they'd put up check points for taxi drivers, pretty sure it's endemic in the taxi industry, and ALL taxi drivers are supposed to carry their SPSV identity cards ( not the ones on the dash but the "smart" credit card size ones.

half the taxis in dublin would be off the road if they did that!

TuringBot47

Pronto63 wrote: »

Good to see a crack down on people in the state illegally.

It is.... but I doubt the authorities are proactively doing anything.
I imagine it was some co-worker who reported them.

sasta le

Hit a few kebab shops

TuringBot47

suicide_circus wrote: »

half the taxis in dublin would be off the road if they did that!

Which would do more for road safety than all those extra speed check zones.

Kivaro

FTA69 wrote: »

Give over. They said that they had experienced racism in Ireland, not that all Irish people are racist. There’s a difference like. There are people in Ireland who are xenophobic and thick and abuse people for that reason, they exist like; we’ve all met one.

Someone should be allowed race that without effectively told to ‘f*ck off back to your own country’.

He said: "So what I've learned it's not down to be brown here."
Just on the story he told us, that one woman, according to his story, represents all of us.

He could have easily said: "So what I've learned it's not down to be brown to some people here."
But he didn't because it's easier to tar us all with the same brush, and it is important that we call that crap out.

Millicently

FTA69 wrote: »

Give over. They said that they had experienced racism in Ireland, not that all Irish people are racist. There’s a difference like. There are people in Ireland who are xenophobic and thick and abuse people for that reason, they exist like; we’ve all met one.

Someone should be allowed race that without effectively told to ‘f*ck off back to your own country’.

I did not say fook off back to your own country as I don't know whether that poster was born in Ireland or abroad. What I'm angry about is the gob****es who get served a glass of Ribena in a hotel and shout racism and try to destroy the reputation of a hotel. The race baiters who come here looking for racism and finding it were none exists. If Ireland is such a racist country why do we have the highest number of asylum requests in Europe. Why are applications for asylum rising here when they are falling all over Europe?



Give me a break with all this crap. We know nothing about the poster, for all we know they could be an obnoxious arsehole who pushed the person who reported them to Immigration to do it or they could be a lovely person who didn't deserve it. We don't know, I'm not gullible enough to believe someone is telling the truth on the basis of their skin not being the same colour as mine. This country has bent over backwards to make people from ethnic minorities feel welcome, Christ, even Irish Rail have an African family boarding a train as representative of this country.

Thelonious Monk

The man was reported to immigration and had people show up, due to the colour of his skin. I might be a bit p*ssed off myself if that happened. I can't believe people are giving him sh*t over this.

Anyway. You'd be hard pressed to get your chicken balls and curry sauce delivered ever again if they really did crack down on illegals in places of employment.

Bobblehats

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The man was reported to immigration and had people show up, due to the colour of his skin. I might be a bit p*ssed off myself if that happened. I can't believe people are giving him sh*t over this

I sometimes get a savage tan myself but general aesthetics state I’m irish. Or at least not, of, certain continents.... there’s got to be more to it than that?

DelaneyIn

FTA69 wrote: »

If they were arrested at a place of work how would they be layabouts or wasters?

They aren’t wasters. Far from it.

As an employer, lads coming here on student visas etc are great grafters. But they can only work twenty hours per week and forty during their holidays etc.

This isn’t explained to them properly, in my experience, when they are obtaining their student visas.

I have hired three recently for part time positions. Two from Brazil and one girl from Mexico. Two have since left purely because I wasn’t able to give them full time hours. They were surprised at this for some reason but the law is the law.

Allowing in a lot of young people from relatively low wage countries with the impression they can learn English, work full time, save a few bob and have a nice few years in Europe isn’t being nice to them.

All three will end up working illegally or having to go home after spending a few grand on college fees, a large chunk on health insurance and relocating costs. 20 hours per week at €11.50 will only afford you a shared bed and subsistence money.

The student visa is a huge scam and it’s not being kind to lads to allow them over under false impressions and false hopes. None had more than two grand in their bank account and were all under pressure. The government should be ensuring that they have a large wad of available cash to finance their stay before approving their visas.

The language visa route is the biggest source of overstayers and illegals in the country. Most will have PPSN so they will be paying tax too. Revenue don’t give a damn about their status and won’t liaise with INIS or the GNIB if a lad is paying his taxes.

The whole system needs to be overhauled and it’s why we see a dozen poor sods living in two or three bed properties all across the Dublin. I expect it’s the same in urban areas across Ireland.

I’m relatively anti mass immigration myself but felt very sorry for all three. Great young people and I just thought how worried their families back home would be if they knew of their situation. If I could have done more for them, legally, I would have. Many an Irish emigrant was in a similar bind.

It’s a mess.

DelaneyIn

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

No, because to me it's proven on a daily basis. If you want to dismiss it as bull**** go ahead but doesn't mean it's not there.

I am sorry to hear of your experiences. Having an opinion that goes against the grain about immigration is perfectly fine. Those opinions should never be negatively expressed to the individuals who migrate here, but to those in charge who make the rules and who are responsible for the shambles of a system in place. The vast, vast majority who immigrate here do so legally and are well within their rights to be treated the same as the rest of us. Play the ball, not the man.

I hope you enjoy your life in Ireland and that you don’t experience anymore of that unpleasantness.

yesto24

DelaneyIn wrote: »

They aren’t wasters. Far from it.

As an employer, lads coming here on student visas etc are great grafters. But they can only work twenty hours per week and forty during their holidays etc.

This isn’t explained to them properly, in my experience, when they are obtaining their student visas.

I have hired three recently for part time positions. Two from Brazil and one girl from Mexico. Two have since left purely because I wasn’t able to give them full time hours. They were surprised at this for some reason but the law is the law.

Allowing in a lot of young people from relatively low wage countries with the impression they can learn English, work full time, save a few bob and have a nice few years in Europe isn’t being nice to them.

All three will end up working illegally or having to go home after spending a few grand on college fees, a large chunk on health insurance and relocating costs. 20 hours per week at €11.50 will only afford you a shared bed and subsistence money.

The student visa is a huge scam and it’s not being kind to lads to allow them over under false impressions and false hopes. None had more than two grand in their bank account and were all under pressure. The government should be ensuring that they have a large wad of available cash to finance their stay before approving their visas.

The language visa route is the biggest source of overstayers and illegals in the country. Most will have PPSN so they will be paying tax too. Revenue don’t give a damn about their status and won’t liaise with INIS or the GNIB if a lad is paying his taxes.

The whole system needs to be overhauled and it’s why we see a dozen poor sods living in two or three bed properties all across the Dublin. I expect it’s the same in urban areas across Ireland.

I’m relatively anti mass immigration myself but felt very sorry for all three. Great young people and I just thought how worried their families back home would be if they knew of their situation. If I could have done more for them, legally, I would have. Many an Irish emigrant was in a similar bind.

It’s a mess.

You only pay 11.50/hour because you can
And you can do that because there are so many "English language students" in the country.

DelaneyIn

yesto24 wrote: »

You only pay 11.50/hour because you can
And you can do that because there are so many "English language students" in the country.

They were kitchen porters.

The average pay for a kp is now €10.10 since the increase of minimum wage. It would have been ten euro up until this month. I paid more than 95% of employers. None of the three had any previous kp experience btw.

https://www.glassdoor.ie/Salaries/kitchen-porter-salary-SRCH_KO0,14.htm

They got meals on shift, free tea and coffee, plus one “sweat beer” after a busy day. Not exactly too shabby a deal for young people without fluent English or any work experience in Ireland.

yesto24

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The man was reported to immigration and had people show up, due to the colour of his skin. I might be a bit p*ssed off myself if that happened. I can't believe people are giving him sh*t over this.

Anyway. You'd be hard pressed to get your chicken balls and curry sauce delivered ever again if they really did crack down on illegals in places of employment.

Where was it mentioned it was down to the colour of his skin.
Many ways to tell someone is not from Ireland.
Now let me make this clear I am not saying that people are not abused due to their skin colour.
I am saying in this case the woman reported this brown skin person (their words) to immigration because he spoke back and she would have done the same to a white person.

yesto24

DelaneyIn wrote: »

They were kitchen porters.

The average pay for a kp is €10.10. I paid more than 95% of employers.

And why is that the average pay?
Because there are plenty of people to work at that rate.
Less people the rate will go up.
I know it will have knock on increase in the final cost but don't tell me importing a load of people into the country willing to work for that and less does not depress wages.

yesto24

Anyway back on topic.
Good to see actual enforcement of the law in this country.
As mentioned already, hit the taxis in Dublin next that would be some fun watching that work its way through the media.

1800_Ladladlad

Long may the deportation of illegals in this country continue.

DelaneyIn

yesto24 wrote: »

And why is that the average pay?
Because there are plenty of people to work at that rate.
Less people the rate will go up.
I know it will have knock on increase in the final cost but don't tell me importing a load of people into the country willing to work for that and less does not depress wages.

Importing young relatively unskilled non English speakers who are under the impression they can work full time and earn enough to save, pay their bills and use Ireland as a base to travel around Europe is unfair on them just as much as it is unfair on the natives who will have to compete with them.

It’s a shambles of a system and huge numbers will overstay or work full time against the terms of their visas.

Most are engaged in some form of employment in the State, typically in more informal job sectors such as restaurants and domestic work, and are living on very meagre incomes," the researchers found.

"Many have been with the same employer for several years and, interestingly, many pay income tax and PRSI through their employment."

Researchers found many undocumented obtained PPS numbers after arriving in Ireland on foreign student schemes which also allowed them to work and can last for up to seven years.

However, when the scheme ended they remained here and continued working, despite not being legally entitled to so.

The most common jobs worked by the undocumented included positions in the restaurant and catering industry (16.3pc); domestic work (7.2pc); cleaning and maintenance (4.1pc); shopping and retail (4pc); and manufacturing (3.2pc).

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/30000-foreign-nationals-living-here-illegally-29827536.html

There are sweet feck all NERA officers in the country. Less than fifty. I’ve only encountered one and I’ve been managing and operating hotels and bars for over a decade.

The system needs to be radically overhauled as it’s benefiting nobody but the colleges, the INIS who get the fees, landlords and employers looking for cheap and easily abused labour.

DelaneyIn

yesto24 wrote: »

Anyway back on topic.
Good to see actual enforcement of the law in this country.
As mentioned already, hit the taxis in Dublin next that would be some fun watching that work its way through the media.

They’ve already started cracking down on that industry too.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crackdown-on-illegal-immigrant-taxi-drivers-37191230.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-target-foreign-taxi-drivers-on-licence-immigration-breaches-1.3816507

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Lord Fairlord wrote: »

The question is, will the 11 people given deportation orders actually end up deported?

Not a hope. They will be allowed spend the next 10 years appealing for free and then vanish when they eventually loose.

Esel

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Importing young relatively unskilled non English speakers who are under the impression they can work full time ...

How are they under that impression?

Mrs OBumble

yesto24 wrote: »

And why is that the average pay?
Because there are plenty of people to work at that rate.
Less people the rate will go up.
I know it will have knock on increase in the final cost but don't tell me importing a load of people into the country willing to work for that and less does not depress wages.

Doesn't matter what the wage rate is: we have almost full employment. There is not a pool of people looking for KP jobs no matter what the wage is.





I do hope all of ye who support this are also in favour of the USA deporting the so-called "undocumented" Irish, who are equally illegal.

yesto24

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Doesn't matter what the wage rate is: we have almost full employment. There is not a pool of people looking for KP jobs no matter what the wage is.





I do hope all of ye who support this are also in favour of the USA deporting the so-called "undocumented" Irish, who are equally illegal.

I absolutely am.
I have mentioned it in previous posts.
Why would you think we would not support deporting any illegal immigrant?

Ten of Swords

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beejee

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Doesn't matter what the wage rate is: we have almost full employment. There is not a pool of people looking for KP jobs no matter what the wage is.





I do hope all of ye who support this are also in favour of the USA deporting the so-called "undocumented" Irish, who are equally illegal.

1) yes, it does matter what the wage levels are. Would you notice a difference if the minimum wage was 500 euro an hour? 50 cent an hour? I think you might see an affect all right.

2) yes, there is a pool of people looking for these student jobs. They are students. The clue is in the name "student visa". Unless you think Irish teenagers are all plodding into their professional executive roles each day. Which would make them not students.

3) I'm 100% okay with Irish people getting the boot out of other countries where they take the mickey. Do you think it's tit for tat or something? And how does one group of people in the United States equal everyone from planet earth coming here? If you were arguing a balance of illegal Americans, sure. How do you square that comparison?

s7ryf3925pivug

If you don't like the idea that Ireland is racist -
then you should get angry with Irish racists
- and not with brown people complaining about them

Varik

yesto24 wrote: »

I absolutely am.
I have mentioned it in previous posts.
Why would you think we would not support deporting any illegal immigrant?

Because it's suits their point.

Considering the general response on boards to Keith Byrne among others getting deported from the US and all the chancers getting kicked out of Australia, I think most are fine with both

marieholmfan

Redneck Reject71 wrote: »

No, because to me it's proven on a daily basis. If you want to dismiss it as bull**** go ahead but doesn't mean it's not there.

You're free to leave.
If you choose to stay all anyone wants to hear is that the Irish are the kindest most welcoming people in the world.

You would do well to remember that.

DelaneyIn

Esel wrote: »

How are they under that impression?

They all seemed surprised when I explained that the terms of their visa explicitly state that they can only work twenty hours per week during term and full time during holidays.

Holiday periods have been standardised – June to September inclusive and from the 15th of December to the 15th of January. The rest of the year they must work no more than 20 hours.

I think it’s a combination of it not being made abundantly clear at the Irish embassy or consulate when applying for their visa, talk from previous student visa holders from their country and the impression that Ireland is more relaxed when compared to other European Union member states with regards this sort of thing.

Someone is giving them the “shure it’ll be grand” yarn anyway. I didn’t press on the issue as I was more concerned making sure that they would be alright in the end and there’s somethings I’d be best not knowing.

Only one still works with me and I know he’s working elsewhere in the city centre too. I have told him he’s going to have to make a decision as technically I’ve done nothing wrong up until the point but I’m aware from second hand talk that he’s also employed cash in hand.

If a nera inspector came in and found out I don’t know if I’d be liable or not. I’ve went through the correct procedures etc.

As I said, it’s a messy set up and I won’t hire one again as I don’t want to involve myself in this sort of thing or leave myself open.

DelaneyIn

marieholmfan wrote: »

You're free to leave.
If you choose to stay all anyone wants to hear is that the Irish are the kindest most welcoming people in the world.

You would do well to remember that.

That’s a myth. The Irish are no more hospitable or inhospitable than the rest of the world.

I would say that it’s hard for migrants here to make friends with Irish people. We do tend to stick with the same clique we’ve been in with since school, sport clubs, growing up or college.

I worked abroad on a short term contract a few years ago. Over the Christmas period I was away from my young child and my wife. I was a bit down coming up to Christmas as I was working straight through and I couldn’t go home.

I had numerous offers from my coworker to attend Christmas dinner at their homes. I was shocked by that. I don’t think an Irish person would ever invite a foreign coworker around for Christmas so they don’t feel lonely.

It opened my eyes a bit. We aren’t as overly welcoming and open as we like to congratulate ourselves for.

joseywhales

marieholmfan wrote: »

You're free to leave.
If you choose to stay all anyone wants to hear is that the Irish are the kindest most welcoming people in the world.

You would do well to remember that.

What absolute bait this is, in fact the opposite is true.

You are free to complain or have a go, whatever you want because we live in a country that supports personal freedom and expression.

So if I were you I would stand up to each and every Irish person that offends you which will actually make the country a better place.

Yurt2

Alastair will be along shortly to inform us that these people are not in an fact illegal immigrants who have been served deportation orders and went on the lamb


They are in fact a status known as 'pre-Irish' and the deportation orders are not valid legal documents as the person who signed them wasn't wearing a wizards hat while doing so.

Orion

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

He/she didn't dismiss your story, as I read it.

Rather dismissed the ridiculous conclusion you drew from the evidence you provided.

No ?

So let me make sure I have this right. You're 'splaining to a POC about racism that this POC has experienced and dismissing that racist experience. Did I miss anything there?