European Parliament Elections 2019

VinLieger · 24-05-2019 11:11am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Make sure the chemtrails don't get you on your way to the polling station. Are you happy about how Hermann is being funded by UK Nazis?

I do love the irony of Gilroy a devout Freeman going up for election, not to mention his attempt to force RTE to let him into the debate by using the court system which as a freeman he would normally claim as any ruling from our courts as being illegitimate.

FreudianSlippers · 24-05-2019 11:16am

Danzy wrote: »

Is it even contentious to say the EU is a Federal project.

Of course it is - there is absolutely zero intent on the part of any Member State to cede its sovereignty to the EU as a federal state. It's completely unrealistic to believe that Germany or France are remotely interested in the other country being in charge of the other's nation, let alone the more loony states like Italy, Greece or Spain having a say in what Germany/France do.

Danzy · 24-05-2019 11:17am

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I genuinely can't fathom why people vote for Ming, is it a protest vote thing?

He would be considered one of the more capable and hardworking Meps from here in the last few EU parliaments by Meps there.

FreudianSlippers · 24-05-2019 11:18am

Danzy wrote: »

He would be considered one of the more capable and hardworking Meps from here in the last few EU parliaments by Meps there.

Source?

badtoro · 24-05-2019 11:22am

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I genuinely can't fathom why people vote for Ming, is it a protest vote thing?

I voted for him. He got #2 after Harkin last time out. I don't agree with all of his views but I find him the best for my agenda by a significant distance.

I am in agriculture, in this state 80% of the CAP funding used to go to 20% of the farmers, thanks to a wide coalition of people including Ming, this is slowly changing.

He, along with Harkin (who endorsed him and voted #1 for Ming), broke the firewall between citizens and decision makers in Brussels that others were happy to erect so as to restrict and fudge access to information.

Indirectly, through a role I used to have in ag, I have much experience of Ming. I find him honest and hard working, with a genuine interest in (there's no un-twee way of saying this) ordinary and disadvantaged people.

He's quite intelligent and creative in solution building.

charlie14 · 24-05-2019 11:57am

blanch152 wrote: »

Maybe I am missing something, or maybe Wikipedia is wrong, but......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_European_Parliament_election_in_Ireland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Irish_local_elections

FG got 22.28% in the 2014 European elections
FG got 24% in the 2014 local elections.

I am confused as to how you conclue that they had a very good European election whereas their local elections were a bit of a disaster. To me, neither vote was very good, but the locals were significantly better than the Euros, which is the opposite of your post.

Politics is all about seats, so perhaps your confusion is not seeing the woods for the trees here.

2014 FG entered the European election with 4 seats out of 12 and ended the day with the same, 4 seats. But this time out of 11.

On the same day FG entered the local elections (where the number of seats had increased from 883 seats in 2009 to 949) with 340 seats and ended the day with 235. A loss of 105 seats where the number of seats available was greater.

rivegauche · 24-05-2019 3:05pm

VinLieger wrote: »

I do love the irony of Gilroy a devout Freeman going up for election, not to mention his attempt to force RTE to let him into the debate by using the court system which as a freeman he would normally claim as any ruling from our courts as being illegitimate.

More important question; can this miserable excuse for a man actually hurl? The hurl in his (self)promotional videos looks brand new. Is the hurl just an affectation/prop? The hurl certainly doesn't look like it rests easy in hands.

Rossie11 · 24-05-2019 3:32pm

Scoundrel wrote: »

Ming.1 Carthy.2 McHugh.3 Brennan.4 for me this morning left the rest blank

Similar and left the rest blank

1. Ming
2. McHugh
3. Brennan
4. Carthy

Eric Cartman · 24-05-2019 4:35pm

1) Casey
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Zubeneschamali · 24-05-2019 4:46pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

1) Casey
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Yep, I think Casey will get a fair number of those. Without transfers, no chance.

is_that_so · 24-05-2019 4:49pm

Indeed. I forgot he was on the ballot paper!:P

eagle eye · 24-05-2019 5:00pm

FreudianSlippers wrote:

I genuinely can't fathom why people vote for Ming, is it a protest vote thing?

Well I'll get voting for him because he voted against restricting freedom on the internet. I won't be voting for Mairead McGuiness because she voted to restrict freedom in the internet.

Fan of Netflix · 24-05-2019 5:53pm

1/ Ming
2/ Carthy
3/ Casey
4/ McHugh

Only planned voting for the first 2 but in the box decided to scribble down a 3rd and 4th. Was hard going, fair play to anyone who fills every preference!

Eric Cartman · 24-05-2019 6:04pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yep, I think Casey will get a fair number of those. Without transfers, no chance.

He got a huge amount of 2s to michael d voters last time around , make no mistake, what the man says resonates in rural ireland and he’s not playing with liberal dublin, i reckon he’ll steal the 4th seat.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-05-2019 6:10pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

He got a huge amount of 2s to michael d voters last time around

There was only one count, so nobody knows who got Michael D's no.2s.

Fan of Netflix · 24-05-2019 6:17pm

Reckon McHugh has a shot, my old man voted for her. As far from a Green party voter as you'd get. Brendan Smith won't do well IMO.

Zubeneschamali · 24-05-2019 6:23pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what the man says resonates in rural ireland and he’s not playing with liberal dublin, i reckon he’ll steal the 4th seat.

Ming and Carthy will hoover up that rural anti establishment vote, and they won't have a big surplus to throw his way.

He'll need transfers from the Greens (ha!), FF (nope), Solidarity (why not, they're mad), Renua (maybe, a bit fascist), and the whole crowd of loonie Independents (yes, probably).

So it's doable, but no, I don't think he'll do it.

He'll get a certain number of first preferences from protest voters like yourself, and then see people pass him as the votes transfer, but not to him.

Finish 6th I'd say.

is_that_so · 24-05-2019 6:28pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There was only one count, so nobody knows who got Michael D's no.2s.

It's an urban myth.

is_that_so · 24-05-2019 6:28pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Ming and Carthy will hoover up that rural anti establishment vote, and they won't have a big surplus to throw his way.

He'll need transfers from the Greens (ha!), FF (nope), Solidarity (why not, they're mad), Renua (maybe, a bit fascist), and the whole crowd of loonie Independents (yes, probably).

So it's doable, but no, I don't think he'll do it.

He'll get a certain number of first preferences from protest voters like yourself, and then see people pass him as the votes transfer, but not to him.

Finish 6th I'd say.

You left out Dom. He could get 3% or so on FPVs and they won't go his way either.

Zubeneschamali · 24-05-2019 6:34pm

is_that_so wrote: »

You left out Dom. He could get 3% or so on FPVs and they won't go his way either.

I actually forgot Dom while voting, too. I gave up in despair after 8 candidates, I think Ming got #8.

s7ryf3925pivug · 24-05-2019 6:36pm

I have no idea who most of the people on the ballot for the South are.
Voted O'Sullivan.

is_that_so · 24-05-2019 6:36pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I actually forgot Dom while voting, too. I gave up in despair after 8 candidates, I think Ming got #8.

By the time I got to the end of the local list I couldn't remember my own name!

charlie14 · 24-05-2019 6:49pm

is_that_so wrote: »

It's an urban myth.

It most likely is, but then there may be something to it.

The presidential count would have been monitored by tallymen/women I imagine, and it would have been a very simple matter for them to see where 2nd preferences were going.

Personally I cannot see him getting elected, but he could be in there long enough that his 2nd preferences will determine who gets the last seat.

Galwayguy35 · 24-05-2019 6:57pm

Rabitte
Ming
Casey

Dyr · 24-05-2019 6:59pm

I'll ramble over to vote in the locals later on but I can't see meself voting for anyone in the Euros, piss poor. I might throw that headbanger gilroy a vote just for the craic

is_that_so · 24-05-2019 7:00pm

Just for those who haven't voted yet! Best of luck with them.

https://www.rte.ie/news/elections-2019/2019/0524/1051426-ballot-papers/

OneEyedORourke · 24-05-2019 7:07pm

1) McHugh
2) Ming
3) O'Connor
4) Carthy
5) Brennan

Christy42 · 24-05-2019 7:09pm

charlie14 wrote: »

It most likely is, but then there may be something to it.

The presidential count would have been monitored by tallymen/women I imagine, and it would have been a very simple matter for them to see where 2nd preferences were going.

Personally I cannot see him getting elected, but he could be in there long enough that his 2nd preferences will determine who gets the last seat.

Could well be confirmation bias from those looking for it then expanded via Chinese whispers. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not but I see no reason to give it any credence.

We will see how transfer friendly he is in the next few days. Smart money seems to be Ming, SF and 2 Fg (second Fg taking the 4th seat).

OneEyedORourke · 24-05-2019 7:13pm

Christy42 wrote: »

We will see how transfer friendly he is in the next few days. Smart money seems to be Ming, SF and 2 Fg (second Fg taking the 4th seat).

I really hope Maria Walsh doesn't get the final seat. She was terrible in debates and looks completely out of her depth.

Christy42 · 24-05-2019 7:21pm

OneEyedORourke wrote: »

I really hope Maria Walsh doesn't get the final seat. She was terrible in debates and looks completely out of her depth.

She looks bright enough that she will stay quiet and toe the party line when in Europe. Maybe she will gain experience but I doubt she will make us look bad. I have not looked closely enough to see who would be better (I am voting in Dublin and spent more time looking at them).

Generally I am using Fine Gael as a safety net. They are not my favourite candidates but they get numbers to ensure my vote goes against someone I really want to avoid.

Anyway I would have her as favourite for the 4th seat

Inquitus · 24-05-2019 7:23pm

What time do polls close and we get the exit poll? 10pm?

Thelonious Monk · 24-05-2019 7:24pm

Local and Euro no 1s I voted Greens here in Dublin, and went down to 5 on each anybody but FF/FG

charlie14 · 24-05-2019 7:25pm

Christy42 wrote: »

Could well be confirmation bias from those looking for it then expanded via Chinese whispers. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not but I see no reason to give it any credence.

We will see how transfer friendly he is in the next few days. Smart money seems to be Ming, SF and 2 Fg (second Fg taking the 4th seat).

I may be wrong, but i don`t beleive he is particularly transfer friendly in this one. I can see it FG, Ming, SF, and between FF and FG for the last, or even a three corner fight for the last two between SF, FF and FG.
For me it`s not so much where Casey will get transfers from, but where his vote will go if/when he is eliminated.

Loafing Oaf · 24-05-2019 7:25pm

Inquitus wrote: »

What time do polls close and we get the exit poll? 10pm?

Yep polls close close at ten. AFAIK exit poll is released within a few minutes of that.

charlie14 · 24-05-2019 7:27pm

Inquitus wrote: »

What time do polls close and we get the exit poll? 10pm?

Close at ten and Red C are doing an exit poll for RTE/TG4, so shortly after 10

Itssoeasy · 24-05-2019 7:31pm

Just after voting and there were four ballots in cork city. And the European election and local election ones were like reading tests.

FrancieBrady · 24-05-2019 7:32pm

Thought it was very busy at my poll. Anyone have a guess at the turnout yet?

s7ryf3925pivug · 24-05-2019 7:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thought it was very busy at my poll. Anyone have a guess at the turnout yet?

25% turnout as of 6.30 at my booth.

Thelonious Monk · 24-05-2019 7:34pm

Turnout is low AF according to the radio. Can anyone see any shocks? Or will it just be the usual FF/FG monopoly?

Inquitus · 24-05-2019 7:36pm

Getting a bit busier at 5:30-6pm in my poll hall as work finished for the weekend, hardly a queue or an insurmountable rush mind!

Faugheen · 24-05-2019 7:47pm

My polling station said they were busier than they expected to be.

1. O'Sullivan
2. Kelleher

Literally all I put down. It was either candidates I didn't like or never heard of after that.

An Ciarraioch · 24-05-2019 8:11pm

NI turnout confirmed at 45% - was 52% in 2014, but the locals were on the same day then, so not strictly comparing like with like:

http://twitter.com/eoni_official/status/1131985447821950976

An Ciarraioch · 24-05-2019 8:12pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thought it was very busy at my poll. Anyone have a guess at the turnout yet?

Whatever the 6 p.m. figure is for your county, a good rule of thumb is to double that.

Fan of Netflix · 24-05-2019 8:24pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Turnout is low AF according to the radio. Can anyone see any shocks? Or will it just be the usual FF/FG monopoly?

FF/FG will absolutely clean up in the locals. Massive resources, both running over 400 candidates. No one will touch them.

Euros harder to call. I expect FG, Ming and SF to retain their seats. Hard to call after that. FG may add to it. Probably 1 or 2 for FF. Greens and Independents will be in the mix too.

Faugheen · 24-05-2019 8:28pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

FF/FG will absolutely clean up in the locals. Massive resources, both running over 400 candidates. No one will touch them.

Euros harder to call. I expect FG, Ming and SF to retain their seats. Hard to call after that. FG may add to it. Probably 1 or 2 for FF. Greens and Independents will be in the mix too.

I'd be very surprised if FG/FF 'clean up' in the locals. FG initially targeted 50 extra seats and have since revised that to 20.

They might get a few extra seats but I wouldn't be expecting massive swings. Greens the ones to look out for in their EU candidates home counties.

Eric Cartman · 24-05-2019 8:30pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There was only one count, so nobody knows who got Michael D's no.2s.

Anecdotal from people counting but quite a few , stands out because its surprising

Seth Brundle · 24-05-2019 8:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thought it was very busy at my poll. Anyone have a guess at the turnout yet?

Just back from voting in Leixlip and they reckoned it was just over 50% there.

Galwayguy35 · 24-05-2019 8:49pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

NI turnout confirmed at 45% - was 52% in 2014, but the locals were on the same day then, so not strictly comparing like with like:

http://twitter.com/eoni_official/status/1131985447821950976

It will be interesting to see how Norn Iron voted, whether the DUP or SF come out on top.

Fan of Netflix · 24-05-2019 8:54pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how Norn Iron voted, whether the DUP or SF come out on top.

Martina Anderson will top the poll again for SF. Jim Allister from TUV will get a decent vote and split Unionists votes 3 ways. Naomi Long or Eastwood probably get 3rd seat.

Galwayguy35 · 24-05-2019 8:58pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Martina Anderson will top the poll again for SF. Jim Allister from TUV will get a decent vote and split Unionists votes 3 ways. Naomi Long or Eastwood probably get 3rd seat.

I like Eastwood it would be nice to see him do well.

Jesus that Allister is a bitter old man though, I'm surprised he gets any votes at all, he even makes the DUP sound reasonable in comparison and that's saying something.

European Parliament Elections 2019

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