Bishops Gate Kilternan

Katie9 · 20-12-2016 11:56pm #1

Hi!

Any thoughts anyone on Durkan development Bishops Gate in Kilternan, scheduled for release in Spring 2017?

Not much info online!

Regards

Viscount Aggro · 01-01-2017 11:44am

They could be a hard sell. Its out in the sticks. Check out the small development up the road, theres still a few for sale after many months on market.

Bishops Gate - whats the max they can sell for? 3 beds for 520 - 535k, 4 beds for 650 - 700k, thats my guess.

shellfinn · 05-01-2017 11:32am

I would have thought a bit less than that surely? You have Glenside as a comparison, not just Struan Glen

Lumen · 05-01-2017 1:54pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

They could be a hard sell. Its out in the sticks.

I nearly moved to the Kilternan area last year. It's very appealing if you want somewhere that feels out in the country but still within a short drive/cycle to Dundrum.

The Enniskerry road is quite busy during the day but dead quiet at night.

JpDennis · 06-01-2017 10:17pm

Katie9 wrote: »

Hi!

Any thoughts anyone on Durkan development Bishops Gate in Kilternan, scheduled for release in Spring 2017?

Not much info online!

Regards

I am wondering the same. At a guess judging by their past builds, location and the size of the new builds I would say they would roughly be going for €365k

deco72 · 12-01-2017 4:32pm

JpDennis wrote: »

Katie9 wrote: »

Hi!

Any thoughts anyone on Durkan development Bishops Gate in Kilternan, scheduled for release in Spring 2017?

Not much info online!

Regards

I am wondering the same. At a guess judging by their past builds, location and the size of the new builds I would say they would roughly be going for €365k

I would add another 45k or so onto that price, when comparing to the houses that went for sale in Stepaside (Belmont & Belarmine)

emmacxxx · 07-02-2017 10:41am

The Glenside houses started at 460k for a 3 bed - do you reckon this development will follow suit with that? I'm hoping they'll start at the 385k mark or so...

deco72 · 07-02-2017 2:02pm

Glenside are probably a little more than here due to being close to Carrickmines Luas and the Park. But I reckon they wont be far off especially with the new Help to Buy Scheme.

Viscount Aggro · 20-04-2017 10:43am

I read on another board here - they were released last Friday and were sold in 15 minutes. Maybe that was phase 1 only.

20-04-2017 12:01pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

I read on another board here - they were released last Friday and were sold in 15 minutes. Maybe that was phase 1 only.

There was a sale off plans of some of the houses. Full launch in May apparently.

Viscount Aggro · 20-04-2017 2:01pm

Strange way of doing business. Either they are for sale, or not.

emmacxxx · 24-04-2017 11:53am

Yeah heard they're officially being launched in May. Apparently the pre-launch prices started at the €399k mark.
I reckon the prices will jump a good bit anyway..

SarahE2017 · 25-04-2017 11:19am

What's the title of the other thread bishops gate were mentioned in?

Thanks

emmacxxx · 26-04-2017 9:05am

I don't know about the other thread but there was a pre-launch about 3/4 weeks ago. I got the email regarding houses available and prices and they were starting at 399k but they were sold within minutes. The second phase is due to be released in May at some stage I think..

Dearg81 · 03-05-2017 4:52pm

Does anyone have a link to the planning permission request on dlrcoco.ie?

04-05-2017 12:08pm

Dearg81 wrote: »

Does anyone have a link to the planning permission request on dlrcoco.ie?

http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716

Richardsons Muff · 08-06-2017 9:40pm

what's the story on this? there were posts here earlier on and were deleted?

Richardsons Muff · 08-06-2017 9:54pm

anyone going to the launch tomorrow? is there people camping out already?

uberwolf · 08-06-2017 9:57pm

Richardsons Muff wrote: »

anyone going to the launch tomorrow? is there people camping out already?

some houses sold today to people camping out from last night

Richardsons Muff · 08-06-2017 10:18pm

uberwolf wrote: »

some houses sold today to people camping out from last night

eh? didn't the launch release email go out this morning?

sunshine909 · 08-06-2017 10:31pm

All the houses are now sold out............

Went up tonight to have a quick look in and the security guard handed us a letter from the estate agent saying how a queue had formed and out of fairness they sold them the houses....

SuiteCheex · 08-06-2017 10:47pm

Richardsons Muff wrote: »

eh? didn't the launch release email go out this morning?

Unfortunately it's got to the stage that if you're waiting for a launch email, you could already too late. People are keeping a close eye on the progress of developments and when they see a flurry of activity onsite (tarmac laying and shrubbery planting being key indicators) they start to camp out in anticipation of a launch.

The same thing happened in Waverley in Greystones.

Richardsons Muff · 08-06-2017 11:04pm

Genuine question...does this happen anywhere else on the planet? Are we this dysfunctional?

Second question...what in sweet f**k is the point in the launch tomorrow and Saturday?

Is saturdays launch to sell the remaining Friday launch houses that weren't available in the first place?

statina · 08-06-2017 11:11pm

Crazy stuff. Rang the estate agent early this morning, they said there were people cueing from yday afternoon.

sunshine909 · 08-06-2017 11:25pm

Begs the question, were all the houses sold prior to today and the letter is just an insurance policy for the (understandably) irate house buyers on Friday morning??

Have family living in the area who would have passed by several times during the day and didn't see any queues outside the development.........

SuiteCheex · 08-06-2017 11:30pm

sunshine909 wrote: »

Begs the question, were all the houses sold prior to today and the letter is just an insurance policy for the (understandably) irate house buyers on Friday morning??

Have family living in the area who would have passed by several times during the day and didn't see any queues outside the development.........

Apparently the Guards came and moved them as there was a queue of 10 cars blocking the footpath and causing traffic disruption so they were shifted into the Golden Ball car park.

The_Conductor · 09-06-2017 6:50am

Friday 9th June (9.30am to 12pm) & Saturday 10th June (12pm to 2pm) apparently the developer/sales agent is on site taking deposits from interested parties. Please be respectful towards your future neighbours- and park and behave in a civil and reasonable manner.

Richardsons Muff · 09-06-2017 6:54am

The_Conductor wrote: »

Friday 9th June (9.30am to 12pm) & Saturday 10th June (12pm to 2pm) apparently the developer/sales agent is on site taking deposits from interested parties. Please be respectful towards your future neighbours- and park and behave in a civil and reasonable manner.

there was 20 units, 12 - 3 bed & 8 - 4 bed. they all sold/deposits taken yesterday afternoon.

The_Conductor · 09-06-2017 6:56am

Richardsons Muff wrote: »

there was 20 units, 12 - 3 bed & 8 - 4 bed. they all sold/deposits taken yesterday afternoon.

If that is the case- thats exceptionally poor form on the part of the developer and agent- you don't get to play people like this. Honestly- with behaviour like this- its easy to see why estate agents have such poor reputations.

Richardsons Muff · 09-06-2017 7:03am

I was up there about a half hour ago.

Queues started forming from the previous night before the launch was announced. there was such commotion on the road the following morning they started taking names and assigning numbers. the developer and builder then decided it was best to sell as they didn't want people camping out. Im disappointed and feel hard done by but I actually don't know how else they could've done it. those people would've stayed overnight last night and they would've been the first twenty anyway...so how do you do it? My biggest issue is with people camped out before the launch was announced, clearly tipped off or whatever it is...it's not people looking at tarmac getting laid as another poster said, that's ludicrous. All i know is that this place is out of control again.

The_Conductor · 09-06-2017 7:16am

Looking at the prices- and it is Kilternan- yep, the prices they're charging for this development have no grounding in reality whatsoever. However, if people will pay it, common sense dictates that they will charge it.

As for tipping people off- it could have been any of a number of different people- but most probably some of the crew up there. Obviously- as you're aware- at least two different branches of the media were also tipped off- and one, somewhat sheepish radio station, played a part in hyping these.

I hear what you're saying- its quite a ridiculous situation- however, on public safety grounds alone, what the developer did was most probably in everyone's best interests.

Richardsons Muff · 09-06-2017 7:31am

The_Conductor wrote: »

Looking at the prices- and it is Kilternan- yep, the prices they're charging for this development have no grounding in reality whatsoever. However, if people will pay it, common sense dictates that they will charge it.

This takes the sting away somewhat

do you think they are overpriced? I thought a 3 bed semi d for €430k wasn't too bad. €540k for a 4 bed pricey alright.

The_Conductor · 09-06-2017 7:40am

Richardsons Muff wrote: »

This takes the sting away somewhat do you think they are overpriced? I thought a 3 bed semi d for €430k wasn't too bad. €540k for a 4 bed pricey alright.

Its all to do with location.

I'm not a snob by any means- but since when has Kilternan been desireable to the extent that people think these prices are reasonable?

There seems to be some bizarre reverse psychology on top of gentrification going on here.

Bigus · 09-06-2017 8:19am

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its all to do with location.

I'm not a snob by any means- but since when has Kilternan been desireable to the extent that people think these prices are reasonable?

There seems to be some bizarre reverse psychology on top of gentrification going on here.

They are new houses built to today's high standard building regs , built by a very very reputable and long established quality builder, in a low density south Dublin location in the lee of the real Dublin mountains , not far from fox rock ,Brennan town road, cabinteely etc.

What else can they be compared to price wise this year ?

Also Just seeing the Durkan quality of the granite wall on the road boundary would inspire confidence in old money people helping out children and grandchildren with big lumps of cash to help purchase.

Jessica879 · 09-06-2017 8:47am

My poor Mum went to queue for us yesterday - she came home crying because she missed out. On her way home she drove by another new development called Kenler - its in Sandyford Village which would be amazing. Going to spend the weekend driving around the Stepaside Sandyford area to see what else is popping up.

emmacxxx · 09-06-2017 9:19am

To be fair I think these houses are amazing value for money! When you look at the developments literally a 20 second drive away on Glenamuck Rd starting from €745k...

I do think it's absolutely terrible for people the lengths you've to go through these days to get your home - the world is cruel!

On a side note - does anyone know when these houses would be ready to move into?

SuiteCheex · 09-06-2017 9:32am

Richardsons Muff wrote: »

I was up there about a half hour ago.

it's not people looking at tarmac getting laid as another poster said, that's ludicrous.

All I can say is that this is the approach I took and it bore fruit. There was no tipping off......it was blind hope that the launch was happening this weekend.

The_Conductor · 09-06-2017 9:34am

Bigus wrote: »

They are new houses built to today's high standard building regs , built by a very very reputable and long established quality builder, in a low density south Dublin location in the lee of the real Dublin mountains , not far from fox rock ,Brennan town road, cabinteely etc.

What else can they be compared to price wise this year ?

Also Just seeing the Durkan quality of the granite wall on the road boundary would inspire confidence in old money people helping out children and grandchildren with big lumps of cash to help purchase.

You really are buying the advertising that's gone into these- honestly, the developer himself couldn't have come up with a more rosy spin that this spiel.

How familiar are you with the area? Have you looked into local troublespots/issues that have been booted down the road, rather than resolved?

Have a look at the recent lists of complaints lodged with the local authority by the Kilternan/Glenamuck residents association.

Its all well and good- looking at this with rosy spectacles- as you obviously are doing- but if you buy here, with the intention of living here long term- the very least you can do is a little research into the area............

The_Conductor · 09-06-2017 9:36am

SuiteCheex wrote: »

All I can say is that this is the approach I took and it bore fruit. There was no tipping off......it was blind hope that the launch was happening this weekend.

There was tipping off though- its been acknowledged already by one national radio station (who were out there interviewing some of those queuing on Wednesday and Thursday). It did happen.

stuckinarut · 09-06-2017 8:40pm

not sure there was any tipping off, i was one of the very lucky ones to get a house and the reason we queued was based on driving by the development everyday checking.. this seems to be the norm for buying a new house these days, so if you really want a new house, these are things you have to do..

as for kilternan bashing, don't think anyone is forcing you to live there

godtabh · 09-06-2017 9:13pm

Which Durkan is this? There are two sides of the family that had a falling out. I'm familiar with one not the other.

emmacxxx · 09-06-2017 9:35pm

stuckinarut wrote: »

not sure there was any tipping off, i was one of the very lucky ones to get a house and the reason we queued was based on driving by the development everyday checking.. this seems to be the norm for buying a new house these days, so if you really want a new house, these are things you have to do..

as for kilternan bashing, don't think anyone is forcing you to live there

Thankfully I was one of the lucky ones too - genuinely feel terrible for those who missed out because I know how it feels!

Totally agree that that's the way things are now and you just have be cute about it really!

Also Kilternan is a fantastic area in South Dublin 18 so don't get the bashing myself ðŸ˜‰

Richardsons Muff · 09-06-2017 9:44pm

stuckinarut wrote: »

this seems to be the norm for buying a new house these days

No. This is not the norm and there is nothing normal about people driving by half built estates in anticipation of camping outside in order to spend a huge whack of money on a property. In a normal functional property market the developer and estate will try their best to sell a house or whatever and the potential buyer who is entering into a loan agreement of maybe 30 years has time to consider everything. There is nothing 'normal' about this and this abnormality should really be highlighted and protested against instead of embraced but we live in a society where we step over each other ..and that is what happened. Being smug about it doesn't help, it's a fairly himiliating excericse. You got a house...ahead of others who were willing to play ball at a designated launch date, maybe take a back seat and pipe down during this chaos.

Richardsons Muff · 09-06-2017 9:46pm

emmacxxx wrote: »

Thankfully I was one of the lucky ones too - genuinely feel terrible for those who missed out because I know how it feels!

Totally agree that that's the way things are now and you just have be cute about it really!

Also Kilternan is a fantastic area in South Dublin 18 so don't get the bashing myself ðŸ˜‰

I'd repeat the same to you, be happy. Good luck.

Big Nasty · 09-06-2017 10:08pm

A lot of bitterness in this thread

stuckinarut · 09-06-2017 10:26pm

Richardsons Muff wrote: »

No. This is not the norm and there is nothing normal about people driving by half built estates in anticipation of camping outside in order to spend a huge whack of money on a property. In a normal functional property market the developer and estate will try their best to sell a house or whatever and the potential buyer who is entering into a loan agreement of maybe 30 years has time to consider everything. There is nothing 'normal' about this and this abnormality should really be highlighted and protested against instead of embraced but we live in a society where we step over each other ..and that is what happened. Being smug about it doesn't help, it's a fairly himiliating excericse. You got a house...ahead of others who were willing to play ball at a designated launch date, maybe take a back seat and pipe down during this chaos.

Giving out because people go to lengths to ensure they get what they want? If something is out of your control ( the housing market in its current state ), then why try abide by the "normal system" and wait. Queuing has been happening at new launches for quite some time..
Don't hate the player, hate the game..

caviardreams · 09-06-2017 11:13pm

godtabh wrote: »

Which Durkan is this? There are two sides of the family that had a falling out. I'm familiar with one not the other.

I think it's Durkan Homes rather than Brian M Durkan

Lumen · 10-06-2017 10:00am

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its all to do with location.

I'm not a snob by any means- but since when has Kilternan been desireable to the extent that people think these prices are reasonable?

There seems to be some bizarre reverse psychology on top of gentrification going on here.

LOL @ gentrification of Kilternan. This is the opposite - it's bringing a bunch of identical looking estate houses to a semi-rural location. There's a fair bit of this going on at the moment.

I'm not sure what the end game is - is the R117 going to turn into a car park twice a day?

Or maybe there's enough cycling and walking interconnectivity down the Ballycorus Road through the new Cherrywood development.

edit: I finally found a proper map of the Cherrywood plan
http://www.cherrywooddublin.com/masterplan/

youngfarmer · 10-06-2017 4:53pm

Went for a look and couldn't even get car parking spot today! 4 bed €565k and plus you don't get the €20k first time buyers grant as it's only available up to €500k house value (reduced from €600k house value in 2016). 1200 people on the interested list, long list of people on cancellations list for 3 and 4 beds. Asked would prices go up in next phase and they said yes but probably by around €10k not much higher. Madness alright and a good distance from luas. Next batches of houses available in about 5 weeks.

Nika Bolokov · 10-06-2017 5:15pm

Bigus wrote: »

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its all to do with location.

I'm not a snob by any means- but since when has Kilternan been desireable to the extent that people think these prices are reasonable?

There seems to be some bizarre reverse psychology on top of gentrification going on here.

They are new houses built to today's high standard building regs , built by a very very reputable and long established quality builder, in a low density south Dublin location in the lee of the real Dublin mountains , not far from fox rock ,Brennan town road, cabinteely etc.

What else can they be compared to price wise this year ?

Also Just seeing the Durkan quality of the granite wall on the road boundary would inspire confidence in old money people helping out children and grandchildren with big lumps of cash to help purchase.

1. This is no where near Foxrock
2. I doubt old money people were inspired by the quality of the boundary wall and go so excited they started flinging cash out the car window
3. There's no decent public transport in this area
4. There not low density

The reason this happened and things like it are happening is the legacy of the boom.

Not everyone wasted all the cash they made speculating the last time and there's a lot of people sitting on cash who are happy to pass it on to the kids.

Thus instead of easy credit from Banks free cash from the Bank of Mum and Dad, the remnants of the cash pumped pumped out up to 2007 is now pushing up prices to such an extent that the guts of half a mill is seen as reasonable to live on the side of a mountain.

louser1 · 11-06-2017 11:51pm

youngfarmer wrote: »

Went for a look and couldn't even get car parking spot today! 4 bed €565k and plus you don't get the €20k first time buyers grant as it's only available up to €500k house value (reduced from €600k house value in 2016). 1200 people on the interested list, long list of people on cancellations list for 3 and 4 beds. Asked would prices go up in next phase and they said yes but probably by around €10k not much higher. Madness alright and a good distance from luas. Next batches of houses available in about 5 weeks.

Hi

I thought the next phase wasn't being released until September?

Bishops Gate Kilternan

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