Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

saabsaab · 26-02-2020 6:22pm

I would avoid crowds if at all possible from now on. Also carry a small alcohol 60% plus hand gel. Wear gloves away from home and disinfect them when you return. Same for a scarf (I know it wont stop a virus sized particle but will stop droplets and dirt) to stop inhaling what others cough. Would reduce the viral load anyway.

I saw a recipe for an aerosol disinfectant using common bleach (Sodium Hypochloride) 3% solution.

Use 30ml of thick bleach to 1 litre bottle of water in a spray bottle to disinfect surfaces areas or clothes. This strength of 0.1% is said to kill the virus within 20 mins.

Fr_Dougal · 26-02-2020 6:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Outdoor camping in individual tents is probably the way to go

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Hector Savage · 26-02-2020 6:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

Yes, but I feel better today, cos I'm not constantly checking bbc, and other news sites.

Reporting on every single new case and the bs on social media doesn't help either.

Also stopped watching John Campbell, he has the facts and figures but he projects the absolute worse scenario - too much.

Imagine if RTE/BBC reported on every single car crash...would give you an unrealistic sense of danger.

Amirani · 26-02-2020 6:24pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

If Europe had just stopped flights from Italy a week ago containment would have been so much easier... seems so obvious.....

No it wouldn't.

There are trains, boats, buses, cars, walkers crossing from Italy into other European countries pretty much every second of the day. Stopping flights wouldn't make much difference to containment.

Also - what do you do for the Irish citizens in Italy whose flights you've just banned? Leave them hanging around in Italy for an undefined period of time - because of a measure that probably wouldn't even be successful?

Rob A. Bank · 26-02-2020 6:24pm

tillyfilly wrote: »

still seems temporary
"Last month, the national government temporarily suspended the buying and selling of wild-animal products, which are commonly used for food, fur and in traditional medicines in China. But the emergency measure will be lifted once the outbreak ends"

What part of "permanently shut down" do you not understand ?

The temporary suspension was last month, the total ban was last monday !

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 6:25pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well this is gas, a friend of ours who is slightly hypochondriac was reading that the hand gels are useless unless they comprise 80% alcohol, well for viruses anyway. Makes sense as that is what is in the hospitals. The bang of alcohol off them would get you breathalysed on the way home from visiting patients!

So he bought a bottle of cheapo vodka and made a mixture of vodka and handwash soap. I'd rather drink the hooch myself, but sure who knows now anyway it's all turning in to a bit of a farce.

Does that friend have special needs?

Cheap vodka is 37% alcohol at most mixed with the soap much lower again.:D

Graces7 · 26-02-2020 6:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

No. But being where I am, and living as I do, I am an outsider in this situation. And always well stocked and prepared for long periods without access to supplies

And it is easier for folk to express their fears and feelings here on boards, and to do so safely with no repercussions and no effect on their lives, and a needful safety valve? And without sounding silly or fearful.

And hoping folk are stocking up as this is the one thing we can all do safely and sensibly.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-02-2020 6:25pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am not pretending they are 'great lads' but they appear to have slowed the advance of this disease by the use of strict quarantine and containment.

They have also shut down permanently the wild animal trade which has been responsible for this epidemic and others before this... about time too !

Lololololololololol

I have a copy of a little red book you may be interested in full of fairytales too.

China tried to cover this up. They tried to punish the deceased whistleblower doctor in December by making him confess in writing to being a fear monger so they could prosecute and have been putting out their random narrative creating bingo numbers that no one believes.

Good job! Heroes

solidasarock · 26-02-2020 6:25pm

YFlyer wrote: »

I was in the Chinese store on Henry Street, Limerick at 4:30 pm. Was the only customer.

I wonder are people reluctant to go to these stores or was just a quiet few minutes?

The Asian food place I go to lunch sometimes has been a ghost town all week.

wadacrack · 26-02-2020 6:27pm

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1232717556265504769

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 6:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Right call to make. We may not avoid it ultimately, but if we sort of take turns at getting sick it may relieve the pressure in the system. There’s some logic in that, I think

Ok you first take the day of tomorrow and hand out sweets to all those people arriving on flights from Italy.

EltonJohn69 · 26-02-2020 6:29pm

Amirani wrote: »

No it wouldn't.

There are trains, boats, buses, cars, walkers crossing from Italy into other European countries pretty much every second of the day. Stopping flights wouldn't make much difference to containment.

Also - what do you do for the Irish citizens in Italy whose flights you've just banned? Leave them hanging around in Italy for an undefined period of time - because of a measure that probably wouldn't even be successful?

Most people travel by plane, that cuts the risk down... slows covid... and yes leave Irish people in Italy or the Irish government hire a private jet and put them in quarantine ... take extreme measures early is the easiest solution

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 6:33pm

MarkY91 wrote: »

Who wants to sell their tickets to Tenerife to me in the cheap?

Bet you would be too chicken to really go if you got them for nothing.:P

BanditLuke · 26-02-2020 6:33pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yes, but I feel better today, cos I'm not constantly checking bbc, and other news sites.

Reporting on every single new case and the bs on social media doesn't help either.

Also stopped watching John Campbell, he has the facts and figures but he projects the absolute worse scenario - too much.

Imagine if RTE/BBC reported on every single car crash...would give you an unrealistic sense of danger.

I'm sorry you mustn't be watching the same John Campbell as me so. He's about as level headed as they come.

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 6:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

Nope.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-02-2020 6:36pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Cases reported in Pakistan, Macedonia and Finland
All had links to Italy or Iran

There is now more cases occurring outside China than within

A 2nd in Pakistan now apparently and 17 more cases just now in Italy which brings total to over 400 there. Big jump in Italy today.

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 6:38pm

solidasarock wrote: »

The Asian food place I go to lunch sometimes has been a ghost town all week.

Would it normally be busy? Good ole Daily Mail probably contribute to the fall in business.

Titclamp · 26-02-2020 6:39pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

If Europe had just stopped flights from Italy a week ago containment would have been so much easier... seems so obvious.....

Simplicity is too complicated in this modern neuroticism.

Its finances first then human health.

creditcarder · 26-02-2020 6:39pm

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1232717556265504769

Scary. I have a friend travelling through germany to Canada. Wondr if he should go through another airport?

Spanish Eyes · 26-02-2020 6:39pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Does that friend have special needs?

Cheap vodka is 37% alcohol at most mixed with the soap much lower again.:D

Now, now!

I gave my opinions earlier in the thread. I think what friend meant is ....

Get the empty reusable hand gel bottle.

Fill it 20% with liquid soap, top up with 80% of alcohol. Shake well. 100% hand sanitizer. Voila!

Jayzis I was only passing on a borderline hypochondriacs version.

The important thing is that alcohol is the key for killing viruses, not anti bac gels. The hospitals are full of the alcohol gels.

I'm no expert, and would prefer to imbibe the vodka orally myself, but there ya go.

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 6:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

Nah the rest of think it's great fun.:rolleyes:

josip · 26-02-2020 6:39pm

TLDR - wasting your time with Savlon.

The efficacy of various disinfectants was examined both on viruses in liquid suspension and on viruses dried on surfaces URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/94"]94[/URL. Human coronaviruses, including CoV-229E and SARS-CoV, as well as several animal coronaviruses (eg, mouse hepatitis virus and transmissible gastroenteritis virus of pigs), were studied. These viruses (both in suspension and dried on surfaces) were very susceptible to 70% ethanol, with reduction of viability by greater than 3 log within seconds URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/95-97"]95-97[/URL. Likewise, hexachlorophene URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/98"]98[/URL, 2% glutaraldehyde URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/95"]95[/URL and 1% povidone-iodine URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/95,97"]95,97[/URL each produced satisfactory killing. It appears that susceptibility of coronaviruses to 6% sodium hypochlorite (the active agent in bleach) solutions has been variable, but satisfactory killing was achieved with concentrations of 1:40 or higher URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/96,97"]96,97[/URL. Coronaviruses were not killed by benzalkonium chloride or chlorhexidine unless 70% ethanol was added URL="https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses/abstract/95"]95[/URL

https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronaviruses?source=history_widget

Rob A. Bank · 26-02-2020 6:40pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Lololololololololol

I have a copy of a little red book you may be interested in full of fairytales too.

China tried to cover this up. They tried to punish the deceased whistleblower doctor in December by making him confess in writing to being a fear monger so they could prosecute and have been putting out their random narrative creating bingo numbers that no one believes.

Good job! Heroes

Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and China’s response, said the specialists did not see evidence that a large number of mild cases of the novel disease called Covid-19 are evading detection.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/new-data-from-china-buttress-fears-about-high-coronavirus-fatality-rate-who-expert-says/

The panel of international public health experts who visited China could find absolutely no evidence of a cover up once the gravity of the situation was realized.

But I suppose you know better

;-)

Titclamp · 26-02-2020 6:42pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

**** no!! My life is meaningless and ****. I've watched every zombie or apocalyptic film or TV show possible and now we're actually happening for real!! Yeeeee hawwwwww

josip · 26-02-2020 6:42pm

The guy from Croatia who has tested positive was at the Atalanta Champions League game in Milano last week.

https://recombinomics.co/topic/4962-croatia-covid-cluster-linked-to-atalanta-valencia-champions-league-match-grows/

Nuts that the game in Lyon tonight isn't behind closed doors.

SeaBreezes · 26-02-2020 6:42pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Lololololololololol

I have a copy of a little red book you may be interested in full of fairytales too.

China tried to cover this up. They tried to punish the deceased whistleblower doctor in December by making him confess in writing to being a fear monger so they could prosecute and have been putting out their random narrative creating bingo numbers that no one believes.

Good job! Heroes

Did you listen to Bruce Leywards interview?
Sobering stuff.
We haven't a hope of doing half of what they did, nor do we have the specialist equipment they have for respiratory issues nor do we have their experience with SARS.
He said the mortality rate outside China will be higher..

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 6:43pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Now, now!

I gave my opinions earlier in the thread. I think what friend meant is ....

Get the empty reusable hand gel bottle.

Fill it 20% with liquid soap, top up with 80% of alcohol. Shake well. 100% hand sanitizer. Voila!

Jayzis I was only passing on a borderline hypochondriacs version.

The important thing is that alcohol is the key for killing viruses, not anti bac gels. The hospitals are full of the alcohol gels.

I'm no expert, and would prefer to imbibe the vodka orally myself, but there ya go.

Ahh relax only trying to grab a laugh in all this gloom.;)

fritzelly · 26-02-2020 6:43pm

Whilst the numbers are going down in China, specifically Hubei, there is still this

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30065-6/fulltext

Makes you question things

CinemaGuy45 · 26-02-2020 6:45pm

Titclamp wrote: »

**** no!! My life is meaningless and ****. I've watched every zombie or apocalyptic film or TV show possible and now we're actually happening for real!! Yeeeee hawwwwww

The Walking Dead they bite or scratch you however the real zombies just need to shake you're hand.

And they don't even look like zombies.

Spanish Eyes · 26-02-2020 6:45pm

This thread could be great fun later when the Wuurkers come home and get their dinner, and the childer are fed and watered and the man cave beckons.

Should be around 8oc or so.

Spanish Eyes · 26-02-2020 6:46pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Ahh relax on trying to grab a laugh in all this gloom.;)

I know this too. But all this talk of alcohol has me twitchy, but it's only Wednesday :eek:

Quantum Erasure · 26-02-2020 6:48pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Now, now!

I gave my opinions earlier in the thread. I think what friend meant is ....

Get the empty reusable hand gel bottle.

Fill it 20% with liquid soap, top up with 80% of alcohol. Shake well. 100% hand sanitizer. Voila!

60% of the time, it works every time...

BanditLuke · 26-02-2020 6:49pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Lololololololololol

I have a copy of a little red book you may be interested in full of fairytales too.

China tried to cover this up. They tried to punish the deceased whistleblower doctor in December by making him confess in writing to being a fear monger so they could prosecute and have been putting out their random narrative creating bingo numbers that no one believes.

Good job! Heroes

I think an important distinction should be made between the Chinese regime and the Chinese people especially the medicial staff. The regime attempted to bury the story for weeks until the death toll was too high and they couldn't hold back social media reporting (thankfully) and have more than likely lied about the death toll ever since. The Chinese people and the medical staff in particular are heros who have put their lives on the line to save their country and that's not a massive exaggeration.

Personally i think when all this is said and done there will be a massive price to pay for the Chinese regime never mind from the international community but from within their own population.

Titclamp · 26-02-2020 6:49pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Whilst the numbers are going down in China, specifically Hubei, there is still this

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30065-6/fulltext

Makes you question things

You can only commend these volunteer nurses.
Who know death is a huge risk as 9 of their fellow work mates met.
We haven't a clue really how bad it is do we.

The Rape of Lucretia · 26-02-2020 6:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

BanditLuke · 26-02-2020 6:52pm

josip wrote: »

The guy from Croatia who has tested positive was at the Atalanta Champions League game in Milano last week.

https://recombinomics.co/topic/4962-croatia-covid-cluster-linked-to-atalanta-valencia-champions-league-match-grows/

Nuts that the game in Lyon tonight isn't behind closed doors.

Tonight imo will be the last champions league games played this season with a crowd present. Anfields famous home support will be worthless in a few weeks unfortunately as i forsee games played behind closed doors if at all.

Quantum Erasure · 26-02-2020 6:54pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled.
We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants,

I know it doesn't solve that problem, but would there be anything to be said for playing the matches behind closed doors?

edit, ^there we go

Graces7 · 26-02-2020 6:55pm

Maybe this has been addressed but what will happen about Saint Patrick's Day? And the tourist season if we get an outbreak here?

Kermit.de.frog · 26-02-2020 6:55pm

BanditLuke wrote: »

I think an important distinction should be made between the Chinese regime and the Chinese people especially the medicial staff. The regime attempted to bury the story for weeks until the death toll was too high and they couldn't hold back social media reporting (thankfully) and have more than likely lied about the death toll ever since. The Chinese people and the medical staff in particular are heros who have put their lives on the line to save their country and that's not a massive exaggeration.

Personally i think when all this is said and done there will be a massive price to pay for the Chinese regime never mind from the international community but from within their own population.

Of course! The people are great, it's the regime that's not

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 6:56pm

saabsaab wrote: »

I would avoid crowds if at all possible from now on. Also carry a small alcohol 60% plus hand gel. Wear gloves away from home and disinfect them when you return. Same for a scarf (I know it wont stop a virus sized particle but will stop droplets and dirt) to stop inhaling what others cough. Would reduce the viral load anyway.

I saw a recipe for an aerosol disinfectant using common bleach (Sodium Hypochloride) 3% solution.

Use 30ml of thick bleach to 1 litre bottle of water in a spray bottle to disinfect surfaces areas or clothes. This strength of 0.1% is said to kill the virus within 20 mins.

Another recipe ethanol 62- 71% , 0.5% hydrogen peroxide and 0.1% sodium hydrochlorite.

I have access to those. To buy ethanol, one would need a licence.

Not sure if methanol or methylated spirits be sufficed?

MadYaker · 26-02-2020 6:56pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Maybe this has been addressed but what will happen about Saint Patrick's Day? And the tourist season if we get an outbreak here?

I could imagine a lot of stuff being cancelled if there is an outbreak here between now and paddys day, hopefully that won't happen.

Rob A. Bank · 26-02-2020 6:56pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Whilst the numbers are going down in China, specifically Hubei, there is still this

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)30065-6/fulltext

Makes you question things

Absolutely frightening stuff in that Lancet letter... This is a brutal illness and a nightmare to treat for the medical staff.

"As a result of wearing an N95 respirator for extended periods of time and layers of protective equipment, some nurses now have pressure ulcers on their ears and forehead."

"So far 1716 Chinese staff have been infected with COVID-19 and nine of them have unfortunately passed away."

And I read somewhere else that they are wearing adult nappies under the hazmat suits because they cannot eat drink or go to the toilet when on shift.

wadacrack · 26-02-2020 6:57pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

We will have confirmed cases in Dublin by then. It could be high numbers too

Loafing Oaf · 26-02-2020 6:58pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course! The people are great, it's the regime that's not

Quantum Erasure · 26-02-2020 6:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is anybody, like myself, beginning to become a bit depressed over everything to do with this virus

relax, there was a lad maybe three weeks ago (on the first thread) who was moving his elderly parents into a remote farmhouse without electricty or running water to keep them safe.... wonder how they're doing now?

take precautions, but no need to go overboard,

josip · 26-02-2020 7:00pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

5,000 won't come.
Many of them will be able to cancel accommodation bookings with a full refund.
Travel insurance will cover a lot of those booked via packages.
I'd be surprised if more than 1500 make it here.
Which will be a lot better than 5000 from that region coming here.

NegativeCreep · 26-02-2020 7:02pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. It just got seriously ****ed up this afternoon. I am ****ing furious that the game is cancelled. Political. Correctness. Gone. Mad. Taking high profile action, and hitting innocent rugby supporters, just to be seen to be doing something. We are still going to have 5000 Italian fans in Dublin, cramming into the pubs and restaurants, shops, and Guiness Storehouse. So thats all fine and dandy. But letting them into the open air stadium of Lansdowne Road is a health risk too far.
Depressed is not the work. ****ing. ****ing Furious !

You’re only missing out on a bunch of lads chasing a ball. You’ll be grand.

Call Me Jimmy · 26-02-2020 7:05pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I am not pretending they are 'great lads' but they appear to have slowed the advance of this disease by the use of strict quarantine and containment.

They have also shut down permanently the wild animal trade which has been responsible for this epidemic and others before this... about time too !

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-bans-wildlife-trade-consumption-coronavirus-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

I get what you're saying. Agree with above about China and I've been calling everything the CCP does bull**** relentlessly.

But let's assume the best case scenario, and the numbers are correct.

WHO’s Aylward who was in Wuhan said the strategy which included
- complete lockdown and travel ban
- building new hospitals and making thousands more beds available
- banning driving
- importing literally thousands of medics from less affected areas

stopped it on its exponential trajectory and saved hundreds of thousands of people getting infected.

How are health systems expected to cope with the numbers without us doing complete travel bans and lockdowns. Spain is Italy from 3 days ago. And Italy is South Korea a couple days before that. And South Korea are about to realise they need to lock-down despite resistance.

But this acceptance of facts from the expert who knows more than anyone is considered panic, doom and gloom in and of itself.

He literally says:

WHO&#8217 wrote: »

The world is simply not ready. It can get ready very fast, but the big shift has to be in the mindset.

So should we change mindset or brag about how not concerned we are?

darjeeling · 26-02-2020 7:06pm

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Did you listen to Bruce Leywards interview?
Sobering stuff.
We haven't a hope of doing half of what they did, nor do we have the specialist equipment they have for respiratory issues nor do we have their experience with SARS.
He said the mortality rate outside China will be higher..

I'd actually be reasonably optimistic.

Much of what they are doing in China to achieve success seems to be tracking down contacts of cases and quarantining them.
Also introducing larger lockdowns where clusters pop up.
Singapore has also kept cases to a minimum through good contact tracing, and that in a densely packed city of 5M.
I hope we do the same kind of things here as and when we need to.

We should also be able to run a basic public info campaign about what symptoms to look out for, who to call when you need to raise the alarm, and the importance of good hand hygiene.

It's those kind of efforts that ended the West African ebola epidemic, and there they were dealing with countries emerging from civil wars and with practically no health services.
Incidentally, the same Bruce Aylward directed the WHO response that helped end that epidemic.

YFlyer · 26-02-2020 7:07pm

BanditLuke wrote: »

Tonight imo will be the last champions league games played this season with a crowd present. Anfields famous home support will be worthless in a few weeks unfortunately as i forsee games played behind closed doors if at all.

It will play to Manchester City advantage.

Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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