Are they just filthy bastards in Ballymun and North Dublin City

Jimmy McGill · 10-06-2019 5:41pm

Astonished Finglas didn't make the list. I pass through here a lot and regularly see household rubbish left at the corner of estates in the mornings.

suicide_circus · 10-06-2019 5:41pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Disagree. When I leave a hotel , any rubbish I've generated is tied up in a bag and left with the bin. Why the **** would you just drop rubbish around you on as plane?

People have enough work to be doing without cleaning up the rubbish of adult children.

yeah youre right i leave hotel rooms neat too but a festival setting where everyone is off their tits for the weekend, the organisers know what the score is and should include clean up in the price of the ticket which i am pretty sure they do anyway.

Guy:Incognito · 10-06-2019 5:43pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

yeah youre right i leave hotel rooms neat too but a festival setting where everyone is off their tits for the weekend, the organisers know what the score is and should include clean up in the price of the ticket which i am pretty sure they do anyway.

It's not really about the price tbh. You're expecting other adults to come along and root through your filth and pick it all up. Getting paid for it doesn't make it a nice thing to have to do.

facehugger99 · 10-06-2019 5:44pm

Some people are just fcuking animals, they'll get out of the shower at the gym without turning off the tap or go for a sh;t in a public toilet and not bother to flush.

They're the same fcukers that would drop a burger wrapper on the ground when they're 5ft from a bin or park like an arsehole to save themselves a 20 yard walk.

Not sure what can be done about them, they've been raised to be ignorant cnuts and will spawn a new generation of ignorant cnut children.

10-06-2019 5:44pm

andekwarhola wrote: »

If that was the full story, everybody in low income areas would dump their rubbish on the road but they don't.

Its about time people stopped insisting that lapses in personal responsibility are always down to class, which they are clearly not.

Plus the poorest person in the county can stick a crisp bag in their pocket until they get to a litter bin.

This x 1000. It's just knackers being too cheap to pay for bin tags so they just dump the rubbish out on the street without even tying the bag sometimes. If there's anything in it that the dogs and birds want to get at, it gets torn to bits anyway then strewn all over the road.

suicide_circus · 10-06-2019 5:45pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's not really about the price tbh. You're expecting other adults to come along and root through your filth and pick it all up. Getting paid for it doesn't make it a nice thing to have to do.

fair enough. agree to disagree. not all jobs are nice but theyre earning their daily crust which is more than can be said for some.

seasidedub · 10-06-2019 5:49pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Low income areas can't afford the bin charges that where privatised. Who'd have thought it.

Give over. They can afford drink, tacky communions, fake tan/nails/eyebrows etc. They're not saddled with mortgages in general. I work in an "underprivileged area" full of council houses - bmw',s audis, mercs and Porsche jeeps all over. Not every house, but many. Love to know why it's never investigated. If u bought out the house and work, ok.but otherwise if you're on next to nothing rent and have a Porsche jeep, questions should be asked and rent upped

Mad_maxx · 10-06-2019 7:46pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Some people are just fcuking animals, they'll get out of the shower at the gym without turning off the tap or go for a sh;t in a public toilet and not bother to flush.

They're the same fcukers that would drop a burger wrapper on the ground when they're 5ft from a bin or park like an arsehole to save themselves a 20 yard walk.

Not sure what can be done about them, they've been raised to be ignorant cnuts and will spawn a new generation of ignorant cnut children.

To add insult to injury, they have plenty of politicians and media to defend them

InTheShadows · 10-06-2019 7:46pm

seasidedub wrote: »

Give over. They can afford drink, tacky communions, fake tan/nails/eyebrows etc. They're not saddled with mortgages in general. I work in an "underprivileged area" full of council houses - bmw',s audis, mercs and Porsche jeeps all over. Not every house, but many. Love to know why it's never investigated. If u bought out the house and work, ok.but otherwise if you're on next to nothing rent and have a Porsche jeep, questions should be asked and rent upped

Many people like myself have bought ex council houses and have nice cars. Don't really see the point you are trying to make.

InTheShadows · 10-06-2019 7:47pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

To add insult to injury, they have plenty of politicians and media to defend them

Sure FG gave them ethnic status.

imme · 10-06-2019 8:08pm

Paying for waste disposal is an issue for some people.

Issues that are no problem for these people include:

-79 inch TV
-the latest I phone for you and the kids
-multiple annual Costa del sol holidays where you can top up your tan and catch up with your relatives who are laying low and\or avoiding the Garda

kildare lad · 10-06-2019 8:11pm

I fish around canals a lot in kildare, the amount of times I'd be driving down back roads and see big black bags full of rubbish just f@cked into a ditch. Sometimes theyre thrown into the canal. They should be publicly shamed if they're caught. I bet the people that dump their rubbish still have money for iPhones, beer , fags etc
We had 3 caravan load of travellers living in a car park in the town last year, the state of the place after them . They threw all there rubbish into a stream salmon spawn in. Then they burnt a caravan down in a public carpark and moved off. The amount of rubbish and nappies that were thrown in the stream and bushes is shocking .

IAMAMORON · 10-06-2019 8:27pm

I suggest reading the report before casting too many aspersions. The report is by Voice …

" VOICE is a member-based Irish environmental charity that empowers individuals and local communities to take positive action to conserve our natural resources. VOICE advocates for the government and the corporate sector to adopt environmentally responsible behaviours, and for the development of strong national policies on waste and water issues.

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It was carried out by 2 people.

Anyone throwing muck at certain communities in this country based on 1 report need to check themselves. I have been in Ballymun, the north inner city and Limerick. They are good parts of this country, just because some report written by a committee says there are too many choc ice wrappers on the ground of a given day, does not mean theses are bad places. Have some respect.

wyf437gn6btzue · 10-06-2019 8:29pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Low income areas can't afford the bin charges that where privatised. Who'd have thought it.

Load of Boll*cks, if someone is living in a socialised gaff & on socialised income and refuse to pay private bin charges and instead litter their area with their own filth then they are absolute dregs of society and deserve to be punished accordingly.

10-06-2019 8:31pm

McGaggs wrote: »

What type of communities live in each of the worst areas?

Water charge protestors & folk on the scratch.

Bio Mech · 10-06-2019 8:40pm

biko wrote: »

Dubliners mainly in the absolute worst two, although it's possible some blow-ins live there too.

Its possible that some blow ins live in the north inner city. You don't say. Have you ever actually been in the north inner city? The last time I was in the Ilac centre I would guess that max 30% were Irish. Never mind dubliners.

Fan of Netflix · 10-06-2019 8:43pm

kildare lad wrote: »

I fish around canals a lot in kildare, the amount of times I'd be driving down back roads and see big black bags full of rubbish just f@cked into a ditch. Sometimes theyre thrown into the canal. They should be publicly shamed if they're caught. I bet the people that dump their rubbish still have money for iPhones, beer , fags etc
We had 3 caravan load of travellers living in a car park in the town last year, the state of the place after them . They threw all there rubbish into a stream salmon spawn in. Then they burnt a caravan down in a public carpark and moved off. The amount of rubbish and nappies that were thrown in the stream and bushes is shocking .

The Eco Warriors or Pavee Point won't touch the traveller dumping issue.

Thelonious Monk · 10-06-2019 8:48pm

Bio Mech wrote: »

Its possible that some blow ins live in the north inner city. You don't say. Have you ever actually been in the north inner city? The last time I was in the Ilac centre I would guess that max 30% were Irish. Never mind dubliners.

I would be pretty certain the blow ins are far cleaner than the locals in Dublin 1

dhaughton99 · 10-06-2019 8:50pm

There’s a fecker around the corner from me, who drops cans, coffee cups etc from out of his car, outside the front of his house. Does the same with his post, opens it and throws the envelopes out on the path. I always thought it was a very strange thing to do until I seen his father outside the local Lidl, drinking from a can and just toss it on the path. It’s all in the breeding.

Galwayguy35 · 10-06-2019 8:53pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Low income areas can't afford the bin charges that where privatised. Who'd have thought it.

Bet they have money for smokes though.

Wheeliebin30 · 10-06-2019 8:59pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Bet they have money for smokes though.

And drink and gambling and drugs and nice new tracksuits and runners.

Anything else they’re entitled to so pay zero.

Hal3000 · 10-06-2019 9:10pm

There are well more places that should have made this list of blacks pots.

N32 before M50.
Darndale and the roundabout area down to Tesco
Parts of Donaghmede
Killbarrack
Edenmore.... pretty much most of Dublin 5 with the exception of Raheny.
Parts of Swords
Clontart causeway - look in the rocks on your next walk!
Fairview park now and again
St Anne's Park most days.
Whole of the Northside Dartline and most stations.

Pretty much all of North Dublin. Corpo couldn't care less about that side of city. Ballymun is not alone.

The posh people have a different way of littering with their plastic dog sh*t bags....

kildare lad · 10-06-2019 9:12pm

A mate of mine used to live in an estate in clondakin . I was over at his house one day and his neighbours took the sofa out of their house , dragged it to a nearby green and set it on fire. Me mate said it happens fairly regular , instead of having to pay to dump stuff, they'd just burn it on the green .

tmabr · 10-06-2019 9:32pm

Lived in an apartment in Santry years ago and the council started rehousing people from the Ballymun towers there temporarily. Jesus the mess they created.
Just threw bags of rubbish out of windows. Place got infested with rats.
The communal bins where underground and some of them used to just throw the bags down the stairs. Try getting through dirty nappies and leftover curries to get to my car each morning in office wear.

Bin fees included in management fees so nothing to do with money. Just dirty filthy animals. Glad I’m out of there.

El_Bee · 10-06-2019 9:34pm

kildare lad wrote: »

A mate of mine used to live in an estate in clondakin . I was over at his house one day and his neighbours took the sofa out of their house , dragged it to a nearby green and set it on fire. Me mate said it happens fairly regular , instead of having to pay to dump stuff, they'd just burn it on the green .

That literally just happened here, sure the fines if your caught are probably less than having it taken away legit.

Oasis1974 · 10-06-2019 9:40pm

Being from Cork City myself not surprised by the results. Most of the northside is a tip anyway and well Mahon is on the southside but should be north of the Lee really.....

nice_guy80 · 10-06-2019 10:05pm

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Would love to see the Irish Green party response to this. Their solution is crush Irish workers with carbon tax and it should solve the above.

Is it?
Maybe they might hire a few litter detection officers with the extra taxes and prosecute litter louts

As a few other posters have said, money for fags, cans and take away
No money to pay for their rubbish however.
And if they recycled and composted they'd probably reduce it by 50%

maneno · 10-06-2019 10:07pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

We've been helping Africa for years ffs. How about they got off their lazy arses and helped themselves.

How have you personally helped “Africa”, and bundling a continent as “lazy” is just stupid!!

seasidedub · 10-06-2019 10:27pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Many people like myself have bought ex council houses and have nice cars. Don't really see the point you are trying to make.

I said if people bought council houses and work - all grand and above board. But if you're a social tenant receiving social welfare and have a Porsche jeep then it's reasonable to ascertain where the money came from. If you have money to buy such a car, why do you need a council house?

Blazer · 10-06-2019 10:29pm

InTheShadows wrote: »

Low income areas can't afford the bin charges that where privatised. Who'd have thought it.

No not they can't afford it.
They can't be bothered to.

Pkiernan · 10-06-2019 10:31pm

Offer to double the dole for residents of Tidy Towns winners?

JupiterKid · 10-06-2019 10:31pm

The level of litter and illegal dumping in a given area is reflective of the sense of civic pride residents have in their neighbourhood. It’s pretty apparent that there is little to zero civic pride in very deprived areas and the results of this litter survey are not in the least bit surprising.

There needs to be strict enforcement of litter laws and on the spot fines - the city council really need to put much more effort into this.

That said, the general level of litter in Dublin these days is much much better than the 1980s and early 1990s, when the city was a run down filthy tip with dereliction, vacant sites and general rubbish everywhere - and dog sh*t all over footpaths and grassy verges in suburban housing estates.

Hal3000 · 10-06-2019 10:37pm

The view from the Ikea restaurant is pretty impressive.

InTheShadows · 10-06-2019 10:40pm

seasidedub wrote: »

I said if people bought council houses and work - all grand and above board. But if you're a social tenant receiving social welfare and have a Porsche jeep then it's reasonable to ascertain where the money came from. If you have money to buy such a car, why do you need a council house?

You are attempting (poorly) to make it sound like every other home in council estates have a Merc, BMW, Porsche etc... in the driveway. They don't and you know it.

klaaaz · 10-06-2019 10:45pm

All this anti-Ballymun hate. Earlier this morning I walked through Ballymun and to the upper class snobs it was fine! There was no litter about, perhaps the surveyors surveyed Glasnevin or Santry instead and classed it as Ballymun?

Fann Linn · 10-06-2019 10:49pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

The level of litter and illegal dumping in a given area is reflective of the sense of civic pride residents have in their neighbourhood. It’s pretty apparent in hat there is little to zero civic pride in very deprived areas and the results of this litter survey are not in the least bit surprising.

There needs to be strict enforcement of litter laws and on the spot fines - the city council really need to put much more effort into this.

That said, the general level of litter in Dublin these days is much much better than the 1980s and early 1990s, when the city was a run down filthy tip with dereliction, vacant sites and general rubbish everywhere - and dog sh*t all over footpaths and grassy verges in suburban housing estates.

The fine for littering is €150. The legislation goes back to 1997. The average annual price of bins I would argue is approx €330, and with no provision for jail in the Act, which is in itself a criminal offence, plus no provision for community service, plus SW payments and pensions being specifically excluded from attachment orders, leaves the offender in a prime position.

When national government begins to take this issue seriously we then might see changes in attitude and enforcement.

Furthermore, not everyone who litters or dumps are members of the tracksuit wearing dole office fraternity. Plenty in this country, including farming, business and professional have been caught at it.
Remember all those quarries in Wicklow and along the border for example.

Nigel Fairservice · 10-06-2019 11:07pm

Dumping drives me mad. Last year I started noticing bags of rubbish being thrown on the green area and steps that link our road to the main road. Empty nagins of vodka were also being thrown on the steps. The steps have no lighting. You could easily take a tumble on them in the dark if you didn't know they were there. They couldn't even throw the glass somewhere out of the way, it's like they were trying their hardest to get someone hurt. I end up throwing them into my glass bin.

My house is a corner house that overlooks the green/steps and one night by chance I saw a neighbour's car pull up and dump a bag or 2 of rubbish on the green. My neighbour also lives on a corner site so ever since then I've been throwing the bags of rubbish back over his side wall into his garden. Another neighbour of this person is refusing to store their refuse in a covered bin and is drawing rats to the area. I have no idea what they're doing with the rubbish as they have no bin collection.

spurious · 10-06-2019 11:14pm

Bambi wrote: »

Most of the dumping in Ballymun is people driving into the area to chuck bags out of their car, some local knacks at it as well. Lot's of undeveloped spots where you won't be noticed

We had this in the North Strand too. Same days of the week, bags dumped in the same place. Neighbour went out and got a photo of the bloke and his car - well didn't actually as you couldn't read the number plate, but scummy dumper didn't know that, so no dumping since, though I'm sure he just moved his spot to some other street.

Guy:Incognito · 10-06-2019 11:31pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

Offer to double the dole for residents of Tidy Towns winners?

Offer to lock up scumbag littering cvunts.

You shouldn't need to incentivise people to act like proper humans.

nice_guy80 · 11-06-2019 12:02am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Offer to lock up scumbag littering cvunts.

You shouldn't need to incentivise people to act like proper humans.

They should have to clean up the area as part of community service
While wearing bright orange work clothes

Might teach them some sort of lesson and civic pride

ChikiChiki · 11-06-2019 12:03am

Looking at that survey they left out a heap of places. Ballymun probably not even the worst in Dublin.

Hardcharger · 11-06-2019 12:08am

Ballymun was use as a stand in for Derry in the movie Bloody Sunday.

What does that tell you about the kip?

At the height of the Celtic Tiger boom the place was such a waste land it looked like war torn Derry in 1972.

sdanseo · 11-06-2019 12:11am

A massive crackdown on antisocial behaviour is needed across the board, with much higher penalties than an on the spot fine.
Drove down Clonshaugh Road yesterday out past the airport, back as far as the R139. Lined with filth the whole way.

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

Would love to see the Irish Green party response to this. Their solution is crush Irish workers with carbon tax and it should solve the above.

That's a bit unfair. Climate change is real, we can only legislate in Ireland for our part in it.

There are plenty of tax rebates for being climate friendly, SEAI grants for home improvements, cars, even VRT reductions. All those probably happily add up to whatever the carbon tax is for an individual if we availed of them.

Sam Quentin · 11-06-2019 12:12am

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Stand outside the Supervalu on the Ballyer road, or outside the Centra in Poppo, people walk outside, take whatever wrapper off what they have purchased and drop it on the ground.

Every 2nd or 3rd person does it.

I find that very hard to believe,. I'm gonna be honest and say I barely see anyone littering wherever I go. Seriously.

Guy:Incognito · 11-06-2019 12:14am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I find that very hard to believe,. I'm gonna be honest and say I barely see anyone littering wherever I go. Seriously.

You need to look around more. I see it regularly.

Sam Quentin · 11-06-2019 12:17am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You need to look around more. I see it regularly.

You see people dropping litter as you walk/drive around? I still think that's a very rare sight if I'm honest.

Guy:Incognito · 11-06-2019 12:17am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

You see people dropping litter as you walk/drive around? I still think that's a very rare sight if I'm honest.

Yes, I do. All the time in Clondalkin.

The car park in the Mill centre around McDonalds has car spaces with the contents of McDonalds bags on either side where its been just dropped out the windows of the cars where they were parked to eat.

InTheShadows · 11-06-2019 12:21am

Hardcharger wrote: »

Ballymun was use as a stand in for Derry in the movie Bloody Sunday.

What does that tell you about the kip?

At the height of the Celtic Tiger boom the place was such a waste land it looked like war torn Derry in 1972.

There are a lot of good people in Ballymun. The vast majority actually.

Sam Quentin · 11-06-2019 12:22am

Oops they missed Dundalk, I can't find it on the list anyway!?

McDermotX · 11-06-2019 2:05am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Oops they missed Dundalk, I can't find it on the list anyway!?

It was so covered in litter, they couldn't find it when they went here.

Kip.

Are they just filthy bastards in Ballymun and North Dublin City

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