New Horizon Mall

Special Circumstances · 15-04-2015 9:01pm

ongarboy wrote: »

It will still have a bunch of restaurants as any mall/shopping centre would have...just maybe not in a foodcourt style format. I can see Nandos, Eddie Rockets and probably Gourmet Burger Kitchen (GBK) as tenants along with Starbucks. Wagamama and Milano's too maybe?

They're all sh1t apparently! I was wondering what the alternatives are.

Pumpkinseeds · 15-04-2015 11:29pm

Why can't they do something in Limerick city centre like the Eyre Square Centre in Galway? It has 60 shops, that people actually want, and has no end of additional shops, bars, cafes in the vicinity. People will go into a city centre if they have an incentive to.

vkid · 16-04-2015 7:26am

The eyre square centre is terrible imo. It's just a bigger version of Arthur s quay. Shop selection is not good either .

That's the last thing limerick needs

Pumpkinseeds · 16-04-2015 10:54am

vkid wrote: »

The eyre square centre is terrible imo. It's just a bigger version of Arthur s quay. Shop selection is not good either .

That's the last thing limerick needs

How is it even remotely like Arthurs Quay? It has a Dunnes, Penneys, New Look and lots more shops, all of which are very popular, all under one roof. Arthur's Quay is all food court on the first floor and bugger all on the ground floor. I only ever go to Tesco or use the toilets there. While the Crescent has a lot more choice than the city centre, the place is like a sauna and isn't pleasant to shop in.

Berty · 16-04-2015 11:02am

I'm in Galway now and heading to the Eyre square shopping centre soon for work. Parking is expensive difficult and annoying in there(can't park on certain floors and different floors are differently priced at different times thanks to qpark). I think the layout is bad if you don't know the centre.

Should you wish to get out onto williamsgate street from the ground floor(is it ground nobody seems to know) then you've to walk to a dead end with an escalator pointing the other way(so you can't really see it) to go up to go out.

New look is huge compared to limerick and penneys is fine and big. Burger King can draw people in as well. Dunnes is like Harvey's quay in limerick. It's not a big Dunnes but has enough and constantly busy.

I don't particularly like the Eyre square centre nor do I Arthur's quay. The horizon mall will be modern so should be built fresh with not as many restrictions like a city centre would force. Arthur's quay had to be squeezed into a block area and Eyre square has old battlement walls in there so only so much you can do.

vkid · 16-04-2015 11:43am

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

How is it even remotely like Arthurs Quay? It has a Dunnes, Penneys, New Look and lots more shops, all of which are very popular, all under one roof. Arthur's Quay is all food court on the first floor and bugger all on the ground floor. I only ever go to Tesco or use the toilets there. While the Crescent has a lot more choice than the city centre, the place is like a sauna and isn't pleasant to shop in.

Its very alike, but like I said its bigger. Its a terrible shopping centre imo. I'd actually take the crescent over Eyre Square any day. There is nothing in there I long for..mobile phone shops, chemists, poor enough selection of restaurants, shoe shops, clothes shops etc. Nothing of note in there at all.

But whatever does it for you..

Pumpkinseeds · 16-04-2015 12:15pm

vkid wrote: »

Its very alike, but like I said its bigger. Its a terrible shopping centre imo. I'd actually take the crescent over Eyre Square any day. There is nothing in there I long for..mobile phone shops, chemists, poor enough selection of restaurants, shoe shops, clothes shops etc. Nothing of note in there at all.

But whatever does it for you..

Well, regardless of what either of us think, Eyre Square centre does a hell of a lot more trade than Arthur's Quay will ever see.

Pumpkinseeds · 16-04-2015 12:18pm

Beer Baron wrote: »

I'm in Galway now and heading to the Eyre square shopping centre soon for work. Parking is expensive difficult and annoying in there(can't park on certain floors and different floors are differently priced at different times thanks to qpark). I think the layout is bad if you don't know the centre.

Should you wish to get out onto williamsgate street from the ground floor(is it ground nobody seems to know) then you've to walk to a dead end with an escalator pointing the other way(so you can't really see it) to go up to go out.

New look is huge compared to limerick and penneys is fine and big. Burger King can draw people in as well. Dunnes is like Harvey's quay in limerick. It's not a big Dunnes but has enough and constantly busy.

I don't particularly like the Eyre square centre nor do I Arthur's quay. The horizon mall will be modern so should be built fresh with not as many restrictions like a city centre would force. Arthur's quay had to be squeezed into a block area and Eyre square has old battlement walls in there so only so much you can do.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's possible to have the equivalent of an out of town retail park within a city centre, if you follow me.:D Eyre Square and Arthur's Quay probably aren't the best examples of that.

Berty · 16-04-2015 12:33pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that it's possible to have the equivalent of an out of town retail park within a city centre, if you follow me.:D Eyre Square and Arthur's Quay probably aren't the best examples of that.

Victoria centre in Belfast is probably this islands better example as it doesn't feel like your in a shopping centre but has good stores and amenities.

Special Circumstances · 16-04-2015 12:54pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

The point I'm trying to make is that it's possible to have the equivalent of an out of town retail park within a city centre, if you follow me.:D Eyre Square and Arthur's Quay probably aren't the best examples of that.

Opera Lane worked out nicely in Cork - I like how it linked the open space of Emmet Place and the surrounding old buldings onto Patrick Street. Small example I know.

Jofspring · 16-04-2015 1:17pm

Something like Opera Lane in Cork needs to happen in the city centre. It's needed to happen for a long time but nothing has been done for the last 10 years to attract businesses they have like that. Out of town centres can't be continuously stopped in the hope that one day something happens in town.

Some people still like to go to town over a shopping centre. Around the summer and Christmas I make a lot of visits to town over the shopping centres.

Pumpkinseeds · 16-04-2015 1:21pm

I haven't been to Belfast or the Cork shopping centre either so I'll have to take your word for it.:) I think there can be a happy medium for everybody. I only go into Limerick city centre a couple of times a month but I dread to think what the place will become if business continues to be diverted to out of town retail parks. It would become a no go area eventually if the larger stores decided to close, which they inevitably would if their business continued to decline.

Mr.H · 16-04-2015 2:56pm

Limerick City Center needs to stop blaming what's happening outside the city centre and start blaming what's NOT happening in the city center

Cookiemunster · 16-04-2015 3:28pm

Mr.H wrote: »

Limerick City Center needs to stop blaming what's happening outside the city centre and start blaming what's NOT happening in the city center

While the old City Council didn't exactly cover itself in glory over the years, it cannot be argued that the County Council allowing multiple retail units to be built just outside the city boundary didn't have a negative affect on the city center. It was policy of the County Council to draw revenue from the city out to the the shopping centers in the subarbs.

My main problem though with this development is that I think it will have a negative affect on both the city center and the current out of town centers. There simply isn't a demand for it.

vkid · 16-04-2015 3:49pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Well, regardless of what either of us think, Eyre Square centre does a hell of a lot more trade than Arthur's Quay will ever see.

But its bigger, it would do and to be fair the rest of the Galway options for shopping are not great either, nothing particularly there that isn't in Limerick. Except M+S which is terrible there....one of the worst M+S I've been in.

Cookiemunster · 12-06-2015 4:45pm

The owners of the Crescent SC have launched a judicial review of ABPs decision to grant permission for the Horizon Mall. It'll be mentioned in the High Court on July 22.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/judicial-review-casts-doubts-on-horizon-mall-in-limerick-1-6793288

In my view this is never going to be built.

Mc Love · 13-06-2015 9:55am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The owners of the Crescent SC have launched a judicial review of ABPs decision to grant permission for the Horizon Mall. It'll be mentioned in the High Court on July 22.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/judicial-review-casts-doubts-on-horizon-mall-in-limerick-1-6793288

In my view this is never going to be built.

CSC is only protecting its own interests, they charge high rates as it is and with M&S planned for Horizon would impact them in bringing higher profile shops to their center.

The Cush · 04-08-2015 1:59pm

Any update on this? It was to be mentioned in the High Court 2 weeks ago, nothing the papers.

Reputable Rog · 04-08-2015 3:04pm

The Cush wrote: »

Any update on this? It was to be mentioned in the High Court 2 weeks ago, nothing the papers.

Mentioned, only means agreeing a date for hearing.
Horizon Mall is dead in the water. Lyle Lanley is probably eyeing up his next mono rail project at the mo.

Cookiemunster · 04-08-2015 3:18pm

The Cush wrote: »

Any update on this? It was to be mentioned in the High Court 2 weeks ago, nothing the papers.

Next date is 28/10/2015 http://highcourtsearch.courts.ie/hcslive/common.processNavigationButton
ABPs own completion date will be passed before there an outcome in this case. It's not going to be built.

pigtown · 04-08-2015 4:11pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Next date is 28/10/2015 http://highcourtsearch.courts.ie/hcslive/common.processNavigationButton
ABPs own completion date will be passed before there an outcome in this case. It's not going to be built.

Does anyone know what happens if it's not complete by then? Surely the options are;

Keep going and finish it
Stop working and leave it to rot
Knock it completely

The only likely choice is number 1, and if so then what's the point of a deadline?

Cookiemunster · 04-08-2015 4:27pm

pigtown wrote: »

Does anyone know what happens if it's not complete by then? Surely the options are;

Keep going and finish it
Stop working and leave it to rot
Knock it completely

The only likely choice is number 1, and if so then what's the point of a deadline?

They can't keep going and finish it if they don't have planning permission. The owners will have to reapply for PP, which the council will again deny and they would then have to appeal denial that to ABP. That process would take another 2 years.
Option 2 is the current status quo. Work stopped 5-6 years ago and hasn't restarted since.

zulutango · 04-08-2015 4:34pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They can't keep going and finish it if they don't have planning permission. The owners will have to reapply for PP, which the council will again deny and they would then have to appeal denial that to ABP. That process would take another 2 years.
Option 2 is the current status quo. Work stopped 5-6 years ago and hasn't restarted since.

The thing is that it's not in the council's interests for it to be left idle either. Someone is going to have to knock heads together and come up with a solution acceptable to all parties. Compromise will be necessary.

I don't buy the notion that the development is necessarily a bad thing for the city. It's only about a mile from the centre, so with an improved transport link it could actually benefit the centre. The council would have to get creative as to how they'd provide that link though, as there are many challenges.

Reputable Rog · 04-08-2015 7:40pm

zulutango wrote: »

The thing is that it's not in the council's interests for it to be left idle either. Someone is going to have to knock heads together and come up with a solution acceptable to all parties. Compromise will be necessary.

I don't buy the notion that the development is necessarily a bad thing for the city. It's only about a mile from the centre, so with an improved transport link it could actually benefit the centre. The council would have to get creative as to how they'd provide that link though, as there are many challenges.

Cable cars ?

pigtown · 04-08-2015 8:18pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

They can't keep going and finish it if they don't have planning permission. The owners will have to reapply for PP, which the council will again deny and they would then have to appeal denial that to ABP.

If I were him I'd plough on and apply for retention when I was done. He's a rich man but he can't sit around and risk losing his investment. I mean if he can't get permission to finish it then who on earth is going to buy the place?

zulutango wrote: »

The thing is that it's not in the council's interests for it to be left idle either. Someone is going to have to knock heads together and come up with a solution acceptable to all parties. Compromise will be necessary.

Exactly. Something will have to give. Personally I'd like to see the site developed as a tourist attraction based on the Eden Project in Cornwall, redeveloping the shell of the building into huge hanging gardens and the rest of the Groody Valley into an agricultural showcase, inspired by The Golden Vale.
Unlikely to attract enough funding to become a reality though.

zulutango wrote: »

I don't buy the notion that the development is necessarily a bad thing for the city. It's only about a mile from the centre, so with an improved transport link it could actually benefit the centre. The council would have to get creative as to how they'd provide that link though, as there are many challenges.

While I'm totally opposed to the centre, you're right here. A well thought out transport system could easily connect the various shopping centres in the suburbs with the city centre, allowing people to park at one of the centres, have a nose around and store their bags in the car, pop into town for some food/more shopping, and back out again.

Treepole · 04-08-2015 10:06pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

Cable cars ?

Monorail

The Cush · 04-08-2015 10:28pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Next date is 28/10/2015 http://highcourtsearch.courts.ie/hcslive/common.processNavigationButton

Court Details
Plaintiffs - SOUTH WEST REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTRE PROMOTION, ASSOCATION LTD & STAPLEYSIDE COMPANY
Record Number - 2015 282 JR
Title - SOUTH WEST REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTRE PROMOTION & ANOR -V- AN BORD PLEANALA

Court Lists - 28/10/2015 COMMERCIAL LIST MOTIONS / INTERIM MOTIONS

http://highcourtsearch.courts.ie/hcslive/case_detail.show?sessionID=1080108955&yearNo=2015&recordNo=282&processType=JR

Cookiemunster · 04-08-2015 10:48pm

pigtown wrote: »

If I were him I'd plough on and apply for retention when I was done. He's a rich man but he can't sit around and risk losing his investment. I mean if he can't get permission to finish it then who on earth is going to buy the place?

This isn't a backgarden extension we're talking about. You can't just build a multi million euro development without planning permission. Back in 2006 Jim Mansfield had to demolish his partly-built €50m convention centre at Citywest after ABP decided to refuse permission for a second time.
If the time runs out and the permission is refused on a second application, it will have to be demolished.

iguana · 05-08-2015 12:25pm

I live right by this monstrosity and deeply hope that it never sees the light of day as a shopping centre. As much of an awful eyesore that it is, it's no worse than the huge empty units at Park Point, the empty units at Parkway Retail Park, the large empty unit at Childers Rd Retail Park, etc. The whole area went way past over-saturation in terms of shopping units many years ago and if this shopping centre goes ahead it might be a success but it will destroy the existing retail areas completely. Imo, an abandoned building site is less ugly than the abandoned retail parks and shopping centres that would result from it.

What needs to happened is that the lift shafts and other bits of building are knocked and the underground car parks filled in. The latter are of particular concern as they have been filled with water for years now and it's only a matter of time before someone drowns in there. As well as that, the Parkway Valley is an extremely important rainwater drainage site and building on it just pushes the water further downstream. Between the building work there, Park Point, many of UL's buildings, water is being pushed further down the Shannon playing a part in the flooding of areas in Kings Island and Corbally that have never experienced flooding before 2014. It's out and out insanity, both economic and environmental, that anything other than demolition is being planned for that site.

zulutango · 05-08-2015 12:42pm

iguana wrote: »

Between the building work there, Park Point, many of UL's buildings, water is being pushed further down the Shannon playing a part in the flooding of areas in Kings Island and Corbally that have never experienced flooding before 2014. It's out and out insanity, both economic and environmental, that anything other than demolition is being planned for that site.

I have never heard the above given as reasons for the flooding of Corbally or King's Island. Is it a qualified opinion?

As far as I know, there was no official report carried out, but a detailed enough study was written by Martin Kay about it. He suggests that the flood in 2014 may have been caused by high tides and high winds coupled with the release of huge amounts of water from Ardnacrusha just as the tide was highest. The ESB refused to release their water release data so his theory couldn't be verified. Conversely the November 2009 flood was more than likely caused by the ESB not releasing enough water at Ardnacrusha in the weeks leading up to it.

iguana · 05-08-2015 12:55pm

zulutango wrote: »

I have never heard the above given as reasons for the flooding of Corbally or King's Island. Is it a qualified opinion?

As far as I know, there was no official report carried out, but a detailed enough study was written by Martin Kay about it. He suggests that the flood in 2014 may have been caused by high tides and high winds coupled with the release of huge amounts of water from Ardnacrusha just as the tide was highest. The ESB refused to release their water release data so his theory couldn't be verified. Conversely the November 2009 flood was more than likely caused by the ESB not releasing enough water at Ardnacrusha in the weeks leading up to it.

The ESB had the flood gates open all the time for weeks at the time of the flooding. There was no sudden release of water. It was happening all the time. As for the building on the flood plains, I was involved back in 2002 in a case taken to stop the new road bridge being built at UL. The environmental impact study that was commissioned made it clear that building there would result in flooding further downstream but ABP dismissed it. All that area from the Clare side of UL and all around the Groody Valley has been an area of rainwater retention allowing slow drainage for hundreds of years. Once you build roadways and building foundations into it, the rainwater runs straight into the river, which means it will break it's banks further down. It's pretty basic physics. You can't fuçk about with an eco-system and expect no consequences.

I live at the top of a high hill, flooding is of absolutely no consequence to me whatsoever. I'm a couple of minutes walk away from the Horizon Mall site, a brilliant new shopping centre would be a great amenity to me, especially with it's proposed playground, as I have a 2 year old and it would be much nearer to me than Clare St. If this shopping centre was everything it's supporters claim it will be I'd be welcoming it with open arms. It would increase my local amenities, add to my quality of life, and to sound all Celtic Tiger about it, probably double the value of my house

. But it won't, it's just a stupid folly that will have far reaching negative consequences for 1000s of people that aren't me. It was an obviously stupid proposal when it was first mooted and it's still stupid today.

Reputable Rog · 05-08-2015 1:03pm

One of the main reasons Kings Island flooded was due to damage done to the riverbanks by people bringing their horses down to the river for water. Extensive banking was done after the estates were first built, to prevent flooding and it had worked successfully until people started to punch holes in the banking and undermined its structure.
Of course this is denied locally

Mr.H · 05-08-2015 1:39pm

There are ways around these things. Such as build another flood plane in less populated areas. Flood planes are not exclusively determined by the river. The site where the flood plane was/The Horizon mall will be, was an absolute eye sore and a bad use of land. It looked like an abandoned plot of land that was likely infested with rats. Its fair enough the need for flood planes but they are not as important to such areas as made out by people who have loads to gain from the mall not being built.

for example its the Crescent who are objecting to this being built. They dont give two xxxxx about the city center nor did they give a xxxx about the flood plane that THEY built on

Reputable Rog · 05-08-2015 4:22pm

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/business-news/high-court-hearing-set-for-limerick-s-horizon-mall-1-6887952

zulutango · 05-08-2015 4:53pm

Do people agree with An Bord Pleanála's declaration that the Horizon Mall wouldn't seriously damage the viability of the city centre? We kind of have to take their word for it, don't we, given that they are experts in planning?

I think there might not be as much a link between these out of town centres and the viability of the city centre as is often claimed. They really serve the wider region to a far greater degree than they serve the city. I'd imagine that the vast proportion of the Crescent's business comes from shoppers who come in from rural Clare, Tipperary and Limerick. A smaller chunk would come from suburban Limerick City, and probably an even smaller proportion from the city itself. I wonder what the split is. Whatever it is, it would be similar for the Horizon Mall if it were built. The former category wouldn't be too inclined to come and shop in the city centre if the Crescent or Horizon didn't exist. It would just be too much trouble for them. The middle category (the suburbanites) are the ones who could be enticed to shop in the city centre, and who do represent a lost market to the city centre retailers. What really matters is that split between the wider rural and suburban markets. If it's heavily tipped towards the former category, then we're barking up the wrong tree, and if it's the other way, then the city centre retailers have a point.

Reputable Rog · 05-08-2015 7:23pm

zulutango wrote: »

Do people agree with An Bord Pleanála's declaration that the Horizon Mall wouldn't seriously damage the viability of the city centre? We kind of have to take their word for it, don't we, given that they are experts in planning?

I think there might not be as much a link between these out of town centres and the viability of the city centre as is often claimed. They really serve the wider region to a far greater degree than they serve the city. I'd imagine that the vast proportion of the Crescent's business comes from shoppers who come in from rural Clare, Tipperary and Limerick. A smaller chunk would come from suburban Limerick City, and probably an even smaller proportion from the city itself. I wonder what the split is. Whatever it is, it would be similar for the Horizon Mall if it were built. The former category wouldn't be too inclined to come and shop in the city centre if the Crescent or Horizon didn't exist. It would just be too much trouble for them. The middle category (the suburbanites) are the ones who could be enticed to shop in the city centre, and who do represent a lost market to the city centre retailers. What really matters is that split between the wider rural and suburban markets. If it's heavily tipped towards the former category, then we're barking up the wrong tree, and if it's the other way, then the city centre retailers have a point.

I'd say a huge chunk come from the Limerick Metro area, it also draws large numbers from North Cork and from Galway.

Cookiemunster · 27-10-2015 3:46pm

Looks like this is going to get long fingered all to way to the expiry date of the planning permission.

anne sheridan ‏@annesheridan1 4m4 minutes ago

The judicial review of An Bord Pleanala's decision to grant planning to the Horizon Mall has been adjourned to November, @Limerick_Leader

OfTheMarsWongs · 27-10-2015 9:49pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

One of the main reasons Kings Island flooded was due to damage done to the riverbanks by people bringing their horses down to the river for water. Extensive banking was done after the estates were first built, to prevent flooding and it had worked successfully until people started to punch holes in the banking and undermined its structure.
Of course this is denied locally

I genuinely can't tell if you're joking. I was on the bank about a month before the floods and saw no such holes. Or do you mean the mud flats visible at low tide? Horses are more likely to 'hang out' in the field at the back of Munchins Street rather than the bank. Plenty of water there in winter.

Cookiemunster · 20-11-2015 2:36pm

The high court hearing is over, but the decision won't be announced until February.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local-news/horizon-mall-developer-wanted-five-more-years-to-build-site-1-7076842
This definitely won't be built under the current planning. And the council will refuse any future planning permission.
Which ever side of the argument you're on this is nothing but a clusterfcuk. It neither gets built nor demolished and the eyesore remains sitting there for years to come.

Reputable Rog · 20-11-2015 3:30pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The high court hearing is over, but the decision won't be announced until February.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local-news/horizon-mall-developer-wanted-five-more-years-to-build-site-1-7076842
This definitely won't be built under the current planning. And the council will refuse any future planning permission.
Which ever side of the argument you're on this is nothing but a clusterfcuk. It neither gets built nor demolished and the eyesore remains sitting there for years to come.

The Vacant site levy if implemented could go a long way to sorting the problem.
But then if refused it could be argued that the site is worthless and then nothing can be done unless they chase him under the derelict sites act which to date has been pretty ineffective.

zulutango · 20-11-2015 3:40pm

Reputable Rog wrote: »

The Vacant site levy if implemented could go a long way to sorting the problem.
But then if refused it could be argued that the site is worthless and then nothing can be done unless they chase him under the derelict sites act which to date has been pretty ineffective.

The council seem very reluctant to use the Derelict Sites Act. Limerick Boat Club, for example, is not considered a derelict site by them even though any reasonable interpretation of the Act says that it is.

Has the vacant sites levy been brought into law? I heard it was scrapped.

The Cush · 05-02-2016 2:38am

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/202286/High-Court-rules-Limerick-development-must.html

THE High Court has refused an appeal to prevent the €100m Horizon Mall development in Limerick from going ahead – but has maintained the extant ruling that the mammoth development must be constructed by this August.
...
Both parties have 21 days to appeal the ruling

High Court Record No. 2015 282 JR

Tefral · 05-02-2016 9:54am

Not a chance is this being built by then

MrJones2013 · 05-02-2016 12:53pm

Don't know how I feel about this, was up in Dundrum in Dublin last week and it was booming. A similar shopping complex down here might draw people in from the surrounding counties at weekends but will surely have a negative effect on the Crescent and the City Centre itself.

The city centre seems to be going in reverse, will the promises made regarding Limerick 2030 go ahead?

zulutango · 05-02-2016 1:00pm

I think the city's objection to Parkway Valley is misplaced. Forcing people from outerlying areas to shop in the centre isn't good for the centre or for those people. The root problem really is that so many people live so far out of the city and this is what we should be tackling.

MrJones2013 · 05-02-2016 1:10pm

zulutango wrote: »

I think the city's objection to Parkway Valley is misplaced. Forcing people from outerlying areas to shop in the centre isn't good for the centre or for those people. The root problem really is that so many people live so far out of the city and this is what we should be tackling.

I'd agree with you but I think it's gone so far that it needs to be finished, it's an eye sore at the moment.

Hindsight is a great thing but at the time the development started someone should have had the foresight to realise that the city centre is dying a death and pushed for that to be developed rather than throwing up another complex in the outskirts.

20/20 hindsight though!

zulutango · 05-02-2016 1:23pm

The city is dying a death because the population has moved to the suburbs and beyond. The retailers have only followed them. Something like only 3% of the population of the Limerick metropolitan area live in the city centre. That's why it's dying, first and foremost. And that 3% aren't exactly the demographic that are big spenders.

MrJones2013 · 05-02-2016 1:48pm

zulutango wrote: »

Something like only 3% of the population of the Limerick metropolitan area live in the city centre.

Wow, that's a ridiculously low figure, the city needs to be more liveable, hopefully this is an issue Limerick 2030 will address!

Do you know if there is anything in the pipeline to try to increase this figure?!

strettie · 05-02-2016 1:52pm

The other important question is that part of the city under served by retail space ? Within 7 minutes drive from Parkway Valley there are

- 4 retail parks Parkway Retail Park, Childers Road, Delta, City East
- 2 shopping centres, Parkway & Castletroy

MrJones2013 · 05-02-2016 2:12pm

Limerick city as a whole has too many of these retail spaces as zulutango eluded to earlier and this has a hugely negative impact on the city centre.

The Parkway Valley site is a major eyesore in its current state though so if they don't go ahead and finish it off something needs to be done with it.

New Horizon Mall

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