That funeral today

18-04-2021 6:28am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Woke thread --->

Just don’t follow them back to it please. Everything they’ve said is very valid anyway. The ‘woke’ thinking, as you put it, is surely the opposite side of the coin in the ones who think we should be fawning over them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-04-2021 6:56am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Just don’t follow them back to it please. Everything they’ve said is very valid anyway. The ‘woke’ thinking, as you put it, is surely the opposite side of the coin in the ones who think we should be fawning over them.

Not a chance...

The days of over-playing the victim cards and complaining about historical indifferences are over. Some of us have moved on.

Quantum Erasure · 18-04-2021 6:59am

spurious wrote: »

On a scale of 1 to 10 of things to get offended/in a flap about, the tricolour at half mast is about a 0.2.
Seriously. It's 2021.

walshb wrote: »

Why so annoyed?

They are our neighbours. It’s 2021. It’s about showing a mark of respect, building bridges, moving on and embracing peace and harmony and good relations..

The two 'most thanked' posts on the site yesterday it's [current year], ...?

...[current year] shouldn’t be an argument for or against anything, seriously... it's current year

Rosita · 18-04-2021 7:00am

retalivity wrote: »

Don't care about the funeral, rich posh English people can do what they want.

What I want to know is, why the hell is the tricolour flying at half mast? Phillip has next to zero connection to Ireland, other than being married to the woman who is the titular head of state of the North. Will Downing St fly them at half mast if/when Robinson/McAleese/Higgins kick the bucket?

https://www.thejournal.ie/flag-half-mast-for-prince-philip-ireland-5412813-Apr2021/

I agree with the sentiment but your comparison is too generous. The direct comparison would be the death of the President's spouse. Can't imagine the Brits would even know who she is never mind reciprocating the gesture.

18-04-2021 7:02am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a chance...

The days of over-playing the victim cards and complaining about historical indifferences are over. Some of us have moved on.

They should be owning their history and acknowledging their crimes if they expect everyone to move on. We’ll end up back in the Union without them ever having admitted a wrongdoing like the obedient little puppy we are.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-04-2021 7:24am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They should be owning their history and acknowledging their crimes if they expect everyone to move on. We’ll end up back in the Union without them ever having admitted a wrongdoing like the obedient little puppy we are.

Now, that's what I'm talking about!

if that was said about white people on Twitter, someone would post it in the woke thread within five minutes.

whisky_galore · 18-04-2021 7:26am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s the final nail in our coffin as a failed state. It’s also another step along the road of us not being one at all any more.

Hyperbole much.

IngridM20 · 18-04-2021 7:28am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Hyperbole much.

Was that not sarcasm?!

18-04-2021 7:43am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Now, that's what I'm talking about!

if that was said about white people on Twitter, someone would post it in the woke thread within five minutes.

No, because other countries can manage it fine. Britain are still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds.

It’s not even remotely the same as what you’re trying to create.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-04-2021 7:45am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No, because other races can manage it fine. Whites are still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds.

FYP

tabby aspreme · 18-04-2021 7:50am

There’s no acknowledgement of the tourists by the Queen unless she waves them from the Beamer.
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I hope she's not reduced to travelling in a BMW.
Now the important questions, did the Land Rover break down and was it powered by a German diesel, or a proper British thumping V8 petrol.

18-04-2021 7:51am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

FYP

It’s still not working. The fact you’re so far off the mark explains a fair bit about the wok thread you reference actually.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-04-2021 7:57am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s still not working. The fact you’re so far off the mark explains a fair bit about the wok thread you reference actually.

You see, what you should have done here is to highlight exactly why the viewpoint of "Britain still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds" from an Irish point of view holds more validity than "whites are still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds" from an ethnic minority point of view, instead of just opting for the ad homeinem fallacy.

No point in worrying about me going back to the woke thread when you're bringing it over here.

Lucy8080 · 18-04-2021 7:59am

I did not watch the funeral. I half kept an eye on the headline news around the funeral.

I can't help but feel sorry for an old lady who has been widowed.

When I look at some of the pageantry, I find myself curious.

British folks look on at that funeral, with medals and flags draping coffins, and feel a sense of pride /connection. I don't want to steal the sunshine from their garden.

As an Irish person, it feels like we have to excuse/explain ourselves if we want to acknowledge our own in our own land, in a similar fashion.

R.I.P. Philip and condolences to The Queen , and any family suffering grief in these times.

Ireland has its own that deserve at least as much respect. Maybe our own deserve more respect, if only by dint of the fact that they questioned the privileged and the hurt they caused to those less privileged.

18-04-2021 8:01am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You see, what you should have done here is to highlight exactly why the viewpoint of "Britain still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds" from an Irish point of view holds more validity than "whites are still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds" from an ethnic minority point of view, instead of just opting for the ad homeinem fallacy.

No point in worrying about me going back to the woke thread when you're bringing it over here.

I’m bringing nothing here. The British establishment have never acknowledged their crimes against other countries. That’s not “woke”, it’s just what’s happening.

I actually can’t even fathom where you’re coming from in calling it “woke” unless it’s just an automatic reaction to anything you don’t agree with. Someone from a country that was one of their victims now fawning over us acting like obedient little subjects surely fits the bill a thousand times more than what you’re attempting to paint here.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-04-2021 8:09am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’m bringing nothing here. The British establishment have never acknowledged their crimes against other countries. That’s not “woke”, it’s just what’s happening.

I actually can’t even fathom where you’re coming from in calling it “woke” unless it’s just an automatic reaction to anything you don’t agree with. Someone from a country that was one of their victims now fawning over us acting like obedient little subjects surely fits the bill a thousand times more than what you’re attempting to paint here.

... and the woke community will tell you that whites have never accepted their crimes either...

Arugment by repitition - you're offering nothing new - I've proven my point. No more circles or insults in place of arguments, I'm done.

knucklehead6 · 18-04-2021 8:10am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’m bringing nothing here. The British establishment have never acknowledged their crimes against other countries. That’s not “woke”, it’s just what’s happening.

I actually can’t even fathom where you’re coming from in calling it “woke” unless it’s just an automatic reaction to anything you don’t agree with. Someone from a country that was one of their victims now fawning over us acting like obedient little subjects surely fits the bill a thousand times more than what you’re attempting to paint here.

Did you watch Reeling in the Years, the 2010 episode? I’d suggest you do. You’ll see and hear David Cameron apologising for crimes committed on Bloody Sunday.

18-04-2021 8:15am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

... and the woke community will tell you that whites have never accepted their crimes either...

Arugment by repitition - you're offering nothing new - I've proven my point. No more circles or insults in place of arguments, I'm done.

Offering nothing new

when you’ve basically just repeated the words “woke” and “whites” for the past page of posts. Before we get into just how woke self loathing is (whether it’s for being white or being Irish), I think the best for everyone is to stick each other on the ignore list and not bore everyone else as much as it’s boring me now.

Also there have been zero insults, so stop waving imaginary cards trying to get them handed out. It’s a very sneaky one to pull.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 8:37am

chrissb8 wrote: »

The famine was not all that long ago. To put it into context, my grandmother's grandmother would have been around for the famine. Again, I rewatched older than Ireland tonight and you had people 1st hand telling you about Croke park, black and tans etc. In their lifetime.

I don't know how there can be any sort of building of relations, within a modern sense, when Britain has not openly acknowledged its damages to the countries it ruled over, but in fact, celebrates them. And as pointed out above, were very recent in committing these damages.

We will move on as a nation when Britain openly comes to terms with its colonial history. And isn't openly shoving it in people's faces. I'm not banging on the drum of resentment for the sake of it. There is a lot of good in England and from all the bs which anchors it in some belief that Britain was a force of good for the world, the royal family serves as a strong reminder of that said bs.

There's a strong reason why people don't baulk at German national pride. If you go to Berlin it is openly acknowledged through museums, memorials and every German citizen is told of their indelible red mark on recent history that they must never forget.

The same cannot be said for Britain.

So why would an Irish national broadcaster show a Royal procession? Which served as a lynchpin for one of the most tyrannical regimes in that of the British empire. That same royal family that revelled in being the figurehead for many countries taken by force.

It's embarrassing and it is perfectly natural to feel a natural resentment to any fawning by any Irish institution.

I’m sorry about your grandmothers mother’s loss

Wanderer78 · 18-04-2021 8:41am

CUCINA wrote:

Is that level of razzmatazz and expense not obscene? What about all the other old people in the UK this week?

We hardly do these kind of things for our dignitaries, do we?

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 9:13am

Ireland can be the bigger person and be nice or go down the little person path and keep bringing up historical things that the British people know nothing about , we can educate them as we go

Ckendrick · 18-04-2021 9:38am

About 300,000 British people live in Ireland. About 1/2 million Irish people live in Britain.
Because of the natural centuries long ebb and flow between the 2 countries, Ireland is the only EU country to whom many of the new brexit conditions just don’t apply.
The trade in goods between the 2 countries is massive and crucial for both economies.
Part of the UK exists on our island.
The spouse of their sitting monarch dies at a very great age and we fly a mask at 1/2 mast.
And the huffing and puffing here from some is laughable.

18-04-2021 9:43am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a chance...

The days of over-playing the victim cards and complaining about historical indifferences are over. Some of us have moved on.

Saying a day is over isn’t really proof of it. Ireland has had people wishing to downplay history since 1921. Thinking like that is probably what encouraged Flanagan to try commemorate the RIC, which worked out badly for him.

So we should respect the British royal traditions as their own traditions but not fawn over them.

18-04-2021 9:47am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I don’t think anyone actually believes people travel to see the royals behind glass like in the zoo

Yeh, so what’s the attraction then? if the monarchy rather than the buildings was the attraction then it would precisely be the Queen “behind glass” that attracted the crowds.

18-04-2021 9:52am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You see, what you should have done here is to highlight exactly why the viewpoint of "Britain still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds" from an Irish point of view holds more validity than "whites are still sailing the seas educating the local savages in their minds" from an ethnic minority point of view, instead of just opting for the ad homeinem fallacy.

No point in worrying about me going back to the woke thread when you're bringing it over here.

You’ve actually pointed out the fallacy of using “whites” indiscriminately for some white ethnic groups. Even the term Europeans (as in European colonialism) is problematic, there are 44 nations in Europe, of which only a few had empires outside Europe.

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-04-2021 9:57am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Saying a day is over isn’t really proof of it. Ireland has had people wishing to downplay history since 1921. Thinking like that is probably what encouraged Flanagan to try commemorate the RIC, which worked out badly for him.

So we should respect the British royal traditions as their own traditions but not fawn over them.

FFS No one is "fawning" over them, getnover yourself and just accept that the funeral (wether you like it or not) was news and therefore the national TV station showed it. A flag at half mast has the usual barstool Republicans having absolute meltdowns, its probably a good thing the pubs are closed, imagine the shìte talk the poor barmen would have had to put up with yesterday :rolleyes:

walshb · 18-04-2021 9:57am

Ckendrick wrote: »

About 300,000 British people live in Ireland. About 1/2 million Irish people live in Britain.
Because of the natural centuries long ebb and flow between the 2 countries, Ireland is the only EU country to whom many of the new brexit conditions just don’t apply.
The trade in goods between the 2 countries is massive and crucial for both economies.
Part of the UK exists on our island.
The spouse of their sitting monarch dies at a very great age and we fly a mask at 1/2 mast.
And the huffing and puffing here from some is laughable.

Fully agree. And most of the huffing and puffing has no actual meaning. This is 2021. Not the early 20th century...

Many huffing and puffing for one reason only: “Oh, I thought that’s what we were supposed to do.”

I find it so immature and ignorant..

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 10:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeh, so what’s the attraction then? if the monarchy rather than the buildings was the attraction then it would precisely be the Queen “behind glass” that attracted the crowds.

I don’t know or care but the figures are there to be scrutinised at your leisure

18-04-2021 10:04am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

FFS No one is "fawning" over them, getnover yourself and just accept that the funeral (wether you like it or not) was news and therefore the national TV station showed it. A flag at half mast has the usual barstool Republicans having absolute meltdowns, its probably a good thing the pubs are closed, imagine the shìte talk the poor barmen would have had to put up with yesterday :rolleyes:

It was a great show of pageantry, symbolism, respect and pretty good music. I love those brass and drum bands.

18-04-2021 10:07am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I don’t know or care but the figures are there to be scrutinised at your leisure

Are they? That’s what I am disputing. Any chance of a link where the evidence is that the non presence of the Queen sees a major drop in tourism to London particularly outside the palace. Like in August.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 10:07am

Deleted User wrote: »

Saying a day is over isn’t really proof of it. Ireland has had people wishing to downplay history since 1921. Thinking like that is probably what encouraged Flanagan to try commemorate the RIC, which worked out badly for him.

So we should respect the British royal traditions as their own traditions but not fawn over them.

This isn’t unique to Ireland and personally I find it an embarrassment, do you want Ireland to stand up on the world stage or do you want to hang on and maintain small country syndrome?

We lowered a flag , it’s the equivalent of saying “sorry for your loss” to our closest neighbour

We tend to educate them on their past as we go as we should do

18-04-2021 10:13am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

This isn’t unique to Ireland and personally I find it an embarrassment, do you want Ireland to stand up on the world stage or do you want to hang on and maintain small country syndrome?

We lowered a flag , it’s the equivalent of saying “sorry for your loss” to our closest neighbour

Who else flew the flag at half mast. A quick google and the danish Queen did, in her palace, but she was a relative. Did the US fly their flag at half mast. Did France. Are these countries suffering from small country syndrome?

Also do we expect reciprocation if Sabina dies.

walshb · 18-04-2021 10:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who else flew the flag at half mast. A quick google and the danish Queen did, in her palace, but she was a relative. Did the US fly their flag at half mast. Did France. Are these countries suffering from small country syndrome?

Also do we expect reciprocation if Sabina dies.

Britain and Ireland are neighbours with very very close ties..in every sense, and it’s the actual history and hostilities and troubles part of this binding, that makes this acknowledgement all the more important, correct and right thing to do with neighbours who are continuing to build peace and reconciliation.

It’s your attitude of disdain here that will forever hold us all back..no offence to you personally.

Seriously, we have to move forward in a positive and engaging manner..

Be right back · 18-04-2021 10:27am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who else flew the flag at half mast. A quick google and the danish Queen did, in her palace, but she was a relative. Did the US fly their flag at half mast. Did France. Are these countries suffering from small country syndrome?

Also do we expect reciprocation if Sabina dies.

They are our nearest neighbours so I see it as a mark of respect to a man who served his country and in the role for 70 years. I don't see it as small country syndrome.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 10:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who else flew the flag at half mast. A quick google and the danish Queen did, in her palace, but she was a relative. Did the US fly their flag at half mast. Did France. Are these countries suffering from small country syndrome?

Also do we expect reciprocation if Sabina dies.

Why would we?

Do you want a return for every good deed you do? Be the bigger person, let it go .

And regarding the other countries you mentioned, who cares what they do ? It what’s we do that matters to us

seenitall · 18-04-2021 10:50am

Deleted User wrote: »

Who else flew the flag at half mast. A quick google and the danish Queen did, in her palace, but she was a relative. Did the US fly their flag at half mast. Did France. Are these countries suffering from small country syndrome?

Also do we expect reciprocation if Sabina dies.

Yeah, I have to say I agree. Being all so respectful and neighbourly is all well and good, but not when there is no reciprocation, as of course there isn’t. For me, that would be a matter of national dignity, no matter what other country is in question. Symbolism matters, you are actually saying something about yourself and the way you see yourself as a state in your political surroundings with stuff like this. It would just give it an extra little sting that it’s the actual former coloniser. (I’m not Irish.)

Ckendrick · 18-04-2021 10:51am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Who else flew the flag at half mast. A quick google and the danish Queen did, in her palace, but she was a relative. Did the US fly their flag at half mast. Did France. Are these countries suffering from small country syndrome?

Also do we expect reciprocation if Sabina dies.

This is ridiculous. Do you even live in Ireland? A 1/2 million Irish people live in the uk. 300000 British people live here. Part of the uk exists on this island wether you like it or not. Trade in goods between us and them is crucial for both. They excluded us and us alone in the EU from most of the Brexit conditions.
Do we have that relationship with any other country? No.
You are comparing the wife of the largely politically toothless president, who completes practically no duties, for max 14 years to the 99 year old spouse of 74 years of a constitutional monarch of a kingdom part of which exists on the island. A man who completed 23,000 engagements in that time. Ludicrous.

Samsgirl · 18-04-2021 10:57am

Meghan should be counting her lucky stars that they didn't spring that trapdoor thingie to the vault when she was standing there on her wedding day.

Samsgirl · 18-04-2021 10:59am

padd b1975 wrote: »

Too much singing I thought.

That's the protestants for you I suppose...

Up to no good as usual

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 11:02am

seenitall wrote: »

Yeah, I have to say I agree. Being all so respectful and neighbourly is all well and good, but not when there is no reciprocation, as of course there isn’t. For me, that would be a matter of national dignity, no matter what other country is in question. Symbolism matters, you are actually saying something about yourself and the way you see yourself as a state in your political surroundings with stuff like this. It would just give it an extra little sting that it’s the actual former coloniser. (I’m not Irish.)

How do you know there’s no reciprocation? I’ll save you the bother of searching through our diplomatic cables by saying... you don’t

seenitall · 18-04-2021 11:07am

Ckendrick wrote: »

This is ridiculous. Do you even live in Ireland? A 1/2 million Irish people live in the uk. 300000 British people live here. Part of the uk exists on this island wether you like it or not. Trade in goods between us and them is crucial for both. They excluded us and us alone in the EU from most of the Brexit conditions.
Do we have that relationship with any other country? No.
You are comparing the wife of the largely politically toothless president, who completes practically no duties, for max 14 years to the 99 year old spouse of 74 years of a constitutional monarch of a kingdom part of which exists on the island. A man who completed 23,000 engagements in that time. Ludicrous.

No, it’s not ludicrous, the principle of reciprocity is a perfectly good and sound one for any kind of international relations, neighbourly ones included. It doesn’t matter a jot who Sabrina is, what matters is the position she holds politically - the equivalent of Philip’s. That’s what counts, not the length of the service, toothlessness or otherwise, or any other parameters. If you decide to disregard all that out of neighbourliness, just be mindful that you are sending a certain signal internationally, and that a whole lot of countries out there will have a completely different view of your actions than what you imagine. Of which foremost the UK.

walshb · 18-04-2021 11:09am

This really is bordering absurd wondering what Britain will do if Sabina Higgins dies...

seenitall · 18-04-2021 11:09am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

How do you know there’s no reciprocation? I’ll save you the bother of searching through our diplomatic cables by saying... you don’t

If the UK lowers their flag half-mast for Sabina, I stand corrected, disregard my posts.

ETA: a quick way to check this is if they lowered it for a spouse or a family member (thinking of Diana and Queen Mum here) of a serving Irish Pres the last time a death like that happened. Perhaps a death like that never happened? But I would be very surprised if they did, or would. Pleasantly surprised, of course.

seenitall · 18-04-2021 11:12am

walshb wrote: »

This really is bordering absurd wondering what Britain will do if Sabina Higgins dies...

As I said, it’s not Sabina Higgins this is about. If that is so difficult to comprehend, it doesn’t mean it’s absurd. Most states out there would be guided by the principle I’m talking about. By that token, I could say your view is the one that is absurd. But I won’t. It’s just a different opinion.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 11:16am

seenitall wrote: »

As I said, it’s not Sabina Higgins this is about. If that is so difficult to comprehend, it doesn’t mean it’s absurd. Most states out there would be guided by the principle I’m talking about. By that token, I could say your view is the one that is absurd. But I won’t. It’s just a different opinion.

It’s what we do it’s who we are

seenitall · 18-04-2021 11:32am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

It’s what we do it’s who we are

That’s the spirit!

haha

Ckendrick · 18-04-2021 12:11pm

seenitall wrote: »

No, it’s not ludicrous, the principle of reciprocity is a perfectly good and sound one for any kind of international relations, neighbourly ones included. It doesn’t matter a jot who Sabrina is, what matters is the position she holds politically - the equivalent of Philip’s. That’s what counts, not the length of the service, toothlessness or otherwise, or any other parameters. If you decide to disregard all that out of neighbourliness, just be mindful that you are sending a certain signal internationally, and that a whole lot of countries out there will have a completely different view of your actions than what you imagine. Of which foremost the UK.

On what grounds does Sabina Higgins hold the same position politically as Philip. I’d like to see any constitutional evidence you have of that.
You are implying, totally in error, and you know that, that the Queen would not offer official condolences to the Irish President on the death of his wife.
So I’d like to see on what grounds you are alleging that.

seenitall · 18-04-2021 1:39pm

Ckendrick wrote: »

On what grounds does Sabina Higgins hold the same position politically as Philip. I’d like to see any constitutional evidence you have of that.
You are implying, totally in error, and you know that, that the Queen would not offer official condolences to the Irish President on the death of his wife.
So I’d like to see on what grounds you are alleging that.

British head of state (aka figurehead) - Liz 2, Irish head of state (aka figurehead) -Micky D. Their spouses - Phil and Sabina respectively. If that doesn’t mean they hold an equivalent status between two states in political terms (note I never said ‘same’, just as being Queen and being President is not ‘same’, but it’s equivalent for the purposes of international politics), I’d like to know who does, because they do. The fact that Phil is a decorated soldier, patron, duke, this, that and the other, doesn’t give him any higher status on that inter-state level than that which Sabina holds. Why you think these plain facts require “constitutional evidence”, who knows. I guess you want to try and fault this logic somehow as you’re not happy I disagree with you.

I wasn’t implying any such thing. I said nothing whatsoever about offering any condolences, so you are totally in error, and you know that. The issue I was commenting on was the half-mast flag lowering. Show me evidence that the British state ever did, or ever would do the same thing on the occasion of the death of an Irish president’s family, and I will stand corrected. I’ll be expecting pigs to fly before that day comes, though.

BloodBath · 18-04-2021 1:45pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

You’re missing the point , the royals ARE a uk tourist attraction

The ones in Madame Tussauds maybe. Good luck every getting near the real ones.

Most of the tourists go to see the big castles and other historic landmarks.

Ash.J.Williams · 18-04-2021 1:45pm

seenitall wrote: »

British head of state (aka figurehead) - Liz 2, Irish head of state (aka figurehead) -Micky D. Their spouses - Phil and Sabina respectively. If that doesn’t mean they hold an equivalent status between two states in political terms (note I never said ‘same’, just as being Queen and being President is not ‘same’, but it’s equivalent for the purposes of international politics), I’d like to know who does, because they do. The fact that Phil is a decorated soldier, patron, duke, this, that and the other, doesn’t give him any higher status on that inter-state level than that which Sabina holds. Why you think these plain facts require “constitutional evidence”, who knows. I guess you want to try and fault this logic somehow as you’re not happy I disagree with you.

I wasn’t implying any such thing. I said nothing whatsoever about offering any condolences, so you are totally in error, and you know that. The issue I was commenting on was the half-mast flag lowering. Show me evidence that the British state ever did, or ever would do the same thing on the occasion of the death of an Irish president’s family, and I will stand corrected. I’ll be expecting pigs to fly before that day comes, though.

We lowered our flags and do not expect anything in return, because were decent people

That funeral today

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