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Triax TSC114 - anyone got their hands on one yet?

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  • #52
    stanley1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭stanley1


    no point in this receiver without 7 day epg on sat.


  • #53
    dubber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭dubber


    stanley1 wrote: »
    no point in this receiver without 7 day epg on sat.

    That might be a little strong ... it would be good to know though what exactly the price premium buys you, is it just MHEG5 and certification, or is it also a fancy chipset with better video processing, lower power consumption etc..


  • #54
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    Just received shipment of the TSC114, and notably it has a few advantages from the HD537 BOX. Here is my first opinion of it
    Advantages,
    1. Seriously easier to tune and channel arrange.
    2. Saorview guide crisp and fast to load.
    3. Now has a tv/radio button to go between radio and tv channels.
    4. Saorview approved grafix on box and screen.

    Disadvantages,
    1. Epg for sat channels only displays now and next when you select the channel in the epg takes a few seconds to load.
    2. Cannot seem to access the MHEG5 Teletext on the BBC channels, the HD537 had this function so a little backwards again, have contacted Triax via email wont hold my breathe that I get an answer regarding this issue.
    3. They made the red button for zoom instead of making it MHEG5 loading etc...


  • #55
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    steveon wrote: »
    Just received shipment of the TSC114, and notably it has a few advantages from the HD537 BOX. Here is my first opinion of it
    Advantages,
    1. Seriously easier to tune and channel arrange.
    2. Saorview guide crisp and fast to load.
    3. Now has a tv/radio button to go between radio and tv channels.
    4. Saorview approved grafix on box and screen.

    Disadvantages,
    1. Epg for sat channels only displays now and next when you select the channel in the epg takes a few seconds to load.
    2. Cannot seem to access the MHEG5 Teletext on the BBC channels, the HD537 had this function so a little backwards again, have contacted Triax via email wont hold my breathe that I get an answer regarding this issue.
    3. They made the red button for zoom instead of making it MHEG5 loading etc...

    the question is why would anyone bother with this for just saorview logo and mheg5... most people would be willing to pay extra for the 7 day sat epg, which is the one disadvantage the ariva does not have.


  • #56
    Compton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    the question is why would anyone bother with this for just saorview logo and mheg5... most people would be willing to pay extra for the 7 day sat epg, which is the one disadvantage the ariva does not have.
    Why does everyone expect 7 day epg on sat? if you want that get a freesat approved box.


  • #57
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    shblob wrote: »
    Why does everyone expect 7 day epg on sat? if you want that get a freesat approved box.

    Well with all the advances in technology it should be easy enough, technically at any rate, to have full EPG on DTT & Sat. The only difficulty is the propriety rights.Ideal set up would be one receiver that does Saorview & Sat with full EPG on both. The Freesat box does not do Saorview.


  • #58
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,883 ✭✭✭zg3409


    B bopp wrote: »
    Is the walker box out. does it do pvr

    Yes and yes. I have put info on it here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77330403#post77330403


  • #59
    Tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Technicially it is very possible but Freesat do not want their epg used on non freesat boxes , they even got an injunction against sat4free to stop them doing this. Other available solutions at present on some linux based boxes is to download the epg from a non Freesat source or use hacked "third party" firmware for non linux boxes.

    Sorry for going off topic, bottom line its unlikely in the extreme that the TSC114 will ever have 7 day epg on satellite.

    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Well with all the advances in technology it should be easy enough, technically at any rate, to have full EPG on DTT & Sat. The only difficulty is the propriety rights.Ideal set up would be one receiver that does Saorview & Sat with full EPG on both. The Freesat box does not do Saorview.

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  • #60
    Tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Are you certain it has 7 day epg for Uk channels ?

    zg3409 wrote: »
    http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-24-WP75HD&pages=1&prod=WP75HD&brands=WALKER&image=

    I

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  • #61
    dubber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭dubber


    Looks like the timer function is handy enough on the TSC114

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQgAqQtgPSA&list=UUJO8LjV44toabT6XR_HUhzg&index=1&feature=plcp


  • #62
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,883 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I updated/edited my previous post with a link to the Saorsat thread to discuss the Walker box


  • #63
    Tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    zg3409 wrote: »
    I updated/edited my previous post with a link to the Saorsat thread to discuss the Walker box

    Thanks. I'll go take a look.

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  • #64
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    the question is why would anyone bother with this for just saorview logo and mheg5... most people would be willing to pay extra for the 7 day sat epg, which is the one disadvantage the ariva does not have.

    The ariva doesnt have 7day epg that works have one in front of me rite now and it doesnt have it only shows now and next which the TRIAX COMBO also does., a lot of people like teletext me included and come october the arivas wont have any text and watch the boards fill with people giving out about them.

    All I want is a box that is reliable has software updates to fix and problems that should arrise and a proper epg which shouldnt be any problem and pvr ready put preferably with an internally installed drive rather than via usb...


  • #65
    dubber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭dubber


    steveon wrote: »
    The ariva doesnt have 7day epg that works have one in front of me rite now and it doesnt have it only shows now and next which the TRIAX COMBO also does., a lot of people like teletext me included and come october the arivas wont have any text and watch the boards fill with people giving out about them.

    All I want is a box that is reliable has software updates to fix and problems that should arrise and a proper epg which shouldnt be any problem and pvr ready put preferably with an internally installed drive rather than via usb...

    Text/interactive services on sat would be nice too :(


  • #66
    steveon
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    dubber wrote: »
    Text/interactive services on sat would be nice too :(

    I totally agree with you which is why in my original post I am dumfounded as to why the new triax combo cannot access the BBC teletext service when the older combo box could makes no sense not providing
    this as BBC text is great for news and sport results etc in my opinion.


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  • #67
    dubber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭dubber


    steveon wrote: »
    I totally agree with you which is why in my original post I am dumfounded as to why the new triax combo cannot access the BBC teletext service when the older combo box could makes no sense not providing
    this as BBC text is great for news and sport results etc in my opinion.

    and interactive services via the red button are great during tournaments like Euro 2012 ... pity, looks like I'l have to put up with FTA on my Sky box and analogue on my TV for another few months at least.


  • #68
    B bopp
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭B bopp


    [/QUOTE]
    Why does everyone expect 7 day epg on sat? if you want that get a freesat approved box.[/Quote]

    Because its convenient and simple to record from. not everyone is a technical genius


  • #69
    Compton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    Why does everyone expect 7 day epg on sat? if you want that get a freesat approved box.[/Quote]

    Because its convenient and simple to record from. not everyone is a technical genius[/QUOTE]
    I agree, Im not myself, you should look into the Humax HDR, its a great box.


  • #70
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    180 euro seems way too much for such a basic box.
    You can get a linux based receiver (Gigablue 800Se,Dm800Hd clone,etc ) for a similar price that leaves this yoke by the side of the road.


  • #71
    B bopp
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭B bopp


    shblob wrote: »
    Why does everyone expect 7 day epg on sat? if you want that get a freesat approved box.

    Because its convenient and simple to record from. not everyone is a technical genius[/QUOTE]
    I agree, Im not myself, you should look into the Humax HDR, its a great box.[/Quote]
    Does this box you sell have the saorview on it also. i think everyone would like the ideal box with the 7 day epg on both platform. i had hoped the triax was close to it but looks like i hoped in vain


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  • #72
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    I couldnt care bout the 7day EPG but at a minimum I expect access to the red button functions, pressing red on the TSC114 is a zoom function which is badly taught out, and text on bbc simply brings up teletex which is stupid, serious lack of imagination in TRIAX in my opinion its a step in the wrong direction...when I switched it on I was so impressed as it was so easy to tune but that was short lived.


  • #73
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    steveon wrote: »
    I couldnt care bout the 7day EPG but at a minimum I expect access to the red button functions, pressing red on the TSC114 is a zoom function which is badly taught out, and text on bbc simply brings up teletex which is stupid, serious lack of imagination in TRIAX in my opinion its a step in the wrong direction...when I switched it on I was so impressed as it was so easy to tune but that was short lived.

    I am really disappointed steveon.

    No Mapping of keys eh. I mean it doesnt take a fecking genius to join the dots with the MHEG engine to enable the interactive buttons for dvb-s etc.

    What about a CAM slot ?

    Does it play media files ?

    What about editing and backup channel lists and transfer via usb? Any of that going on.

    €180 I see these are trading for before postage on Tvtrade.

    Nice I suppose if you want a €100 MHEG engine and an €80 combo box.


  • #74
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,883 ✭✭✭zg3409


    >What about a CAM slot ?

    No

    >Does it play media files ?

    Yes

    >What about editing and backup channel lists and transfer via usb? Any of that going on.

    Yes. TV trade have loads of videos posted on youtube, already linked to a few pages back


  • #75
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    cant see this box worrying the sales of the ariva120 much....just my opinion but its twice the price of the ariva for just additional mheg5 text that people dont use much these days.


  • #76
    dubber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭dubber


    Regarding the price, in fairness the box is just out, so I would guess the price will come down over time. Personally, I'd pay a bit extra over the Ferguson if they issued new firmware which:

    gave interactive services on sat
    Allowed you to pause and rewind without choosing one or the other
    Made the EPG disappear when you select a channel!

    It seems there is a legal explanation for not including 7 day sat EPG.


  • #77
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    STB wrote: »
    I am really disappointed steveon.

    No Mapping of keys eh. I mean it doesnt take a fecking genius to join the dots with the MHEG engine to enable the interactive buttons for dvb-s etc.

    What about a CAM slot ?

    Does it play media files ?

    What about editing and backup channel lists and transfer via usb? Any of that going on.

    €180 I see these are trading for before postage on Tvtrade.

    Nice I suppose if you want a €100 MHEG engine and an €80 combo box.

    Channel backup is extremely easy I have a channel listing fully complete so if any1 wants a copy simply pm me with ur email and I will be glad to save it onto you...took approx 35mins to do when compared to over 4 overs to do the HD537 properly. There is also A button to switch betwen TV/Radio which is a handy addition.


  • #78
    Apogee
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    dubber wrote: »
    and interactive services via the red button are great during tournaments like Euro 2012 ... pity, looks like I'l have to put up with FTA on my Sky box and analogue on my TV for another few months at least.

    To be honest, it's unlikely you will ever see proper Red Button interactive services on a non-Freesat box - even those which do have MHEG-5.

    The reason being that in order for a sat box to switch to an interactive stream, the box has to know which transponder/channel/stream to tune/switch to. This is fine when the MHEG-5 data points towards a channel/stream in the Freesat EPG. But for a box which only has MHEG-5, it can't find the appropriate channel/stream.

    Digital teletext, however, really shouldn't be a problem for any MHEG-5 capable box.


  • #79
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Apogee wrote: »
    To be honest, it's unlikely you will ever see proper Red Button interactive services on a non-Freesat box - even those which do have MHEG-5.

    The reason being that in order for a sat box to switch to an interactive stream, the box has to know which transponder/channel/stream to tune/switch to. This is fine when the MHEG-5 data points towards a channel/stream in the Freesat EPG. But for a box which only has MHEG-5, it can't find the appropriate channel/stream.

    Digital teletext, however, really shouldn't be a problem for any MHEG-5 capable box.

    But we already have seen it Apogee.

    Of course you must have MHEG5. Once you have MHEG5 you just join the dots. Its like clicking on html, once you map the keys on the remote and within the software .

    And Triax have already done this mimicking the Freesat API!

    In the short time I had the 537, the re-witten software (3.8.1) enabled all the red button services on BBC including the switch to HD channel, the sports multi screens and the text. Infact I tried to call the EPG data transponder channel (which tuned in as a data channel in the channel list) using buttons on the remote and it came up with a loading page, but just bombed out, so they had taken the software very far. I dont have pics from that.... but you will see the red button appear on screen at 1.47 and 1.57 in TVtrade's video on Youtube. This button worked he doesnt press on it in the video. He uses the text button, the sports multiscreens are also held on page 3001 on the text menu either way and work.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5wJ0vS9EIs


    Somebody sat down and worked out the links and mapped them...... I wont mention reverse engineering, but somebody knew their way around the Freesat API.

    Yet they haven't implemented it in this box from scratch.


  • #80
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    steveon wrote: »
    Channel backup is extremely easy I have a channel listing fully complete so if any1 wants a copy simply pm me with ur email and I will be glad to save it onto you...took approx 35mins to do when compared to over 4 overs to do the HD537 properly. There is also A button to switch betwen TV/Radio which is a handy addition.

    What format are the files saved in ?


  • #81
    Digital Satellite TV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Digital Satellite TV


    STB wrote: »
    What format are the files saved in ?


    .bin around 78k


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  • #82
    Apogee
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    STB wrote: »
    In the short time I had the 537, the re-witten software (3.8.1) enabled all the red button services on BBC including the switch to HD channel, the sports multi screens and the text.

    I wasn't aware they had got that far - must be some serious copyright infringement going on then. Hard to see Freesat turning a blind eye to this longterm.


  • #83
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    An MHEG Engine without any copyright infringement can be got working with red button/ Multiscreens. It's the Autotuning is a closed portion of D-book. Using the full 7 EPG is also potentially more of an issue than the "red button".


  • #84
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    watty wrote: »
    An MHEG Engine without any copyright infringement can be got working with red button/ Multiscreens. It's the Autotuning is a closed portion of D-book. Using the full 7 EPG is also potentially more of an issue than the "red button".

    Does D-book cover satellite as well? I trying to understand how the box 'knows' where the streams are and how to switch to them if the channels numbers don't match exactly with the Freesat assigned slots?

    I remember you mentioning how it hadn't worked with DVBViewer, so I'm trying to figure out what additional stuff Triax are doing.


  • #85
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Official Triax page is up - TSC114 - Saorview HD Combi Receiver (305018)


  • #86
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    How can the ISAA justify given a box 10/10 when there is serious room for improvement....I would give it 7/10 and thats being generous...red button would have moved it to a 9 without it its as I already stated a serious stepback..


  • #87
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,130 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Official Triax page is up - TSC114 - Saorview HD Combi Receiver (305018)
    Interesting that this one manages to get status on the Triax website, yet the 537 never did. Triax would appear happier with this model and willing to push it more with SV certification, etc.


  • #88
    Cesium Clock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    KeRbDoG wrote: »
    Official Triax page is up - TSC114 - Saorview HD Combi Receiver (305018)


    View and control TV around your home with the Triax Tri-Link (Part No 370407)

    'A great piece of equipment...Easy to install and setup'
    - Awarded 10/10 by the ISAA : Irish Satellite and Aerial Association

    the ISAA is refering to the tri-link not the TSC114.


  • #89
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    Cesium Clock wrote: »
    View and control TV around your home with the Triax Tri-Link (Part No 370407)

    'A great piece of equipment...Easy to install and setup'
    - Awarded 10/10 by the ISAA : Irish Satellite and Aerial Association

    the ISAA is refering to the tri-link not the TSC114.

    I wouldnt award it a 10/10 should have been incororated into the box to justify the huge cost....although I do use the Tri-Link regulary but main flaw is extra scarts needed to make it work so again wouldnt give it a 10...


  • #90
    Compton
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    steveon wrote: »
    I wouldnt award it a 10/10 should have been incororated into the box to justify the huge cost....although I do use the Tri-Link regulary but main flaw is extra scarts needed to make it work so again wouldnt give it a 10...
    It wouldve been brilliant if it had a tri link built in


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  • #91
    KeRbDoG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Cesium Clock wrote: »
    View and control TV around your home with the Triax Tri-Link (Part No 370407)

    'A great piece of equipment...Easy to install and setup'
    - Awarded 10/10 by the ISAA : Irish Satellite and Aerial Association

    the ISAA is refering to the tri-link not the TSC114.

    Ah, sorry about that - tiny bit misleading, quote removed


  • #92
    byte
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    byte


    I've just noticed that the 114 does have an IR Input at the rear, which I guess is for the TriLink without having to have a seperate IR eye in front of it.
    The TSC114 features an IR input for use with the Triax Tri-Link (not included).

    It is a pity, at the price they didn't stick a modulator in, with IR support like a Sky box, or maybe doing so would conflict with some sort of Sky patent or something?


  • #93
    Cesium Clock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    steveon wrote: »
    I wouldnt award it a 10/10 should have been incororated into the box to justify the huge cost....although I do use the Tri-Link regulary but main flaw is extra scarts needed to make it work so again wouldnt give it a 10...

    for what it is at the price its an excellent piece of kit, I have digital and analogue terrestrial, 2x cctv cameras, sky reciever, DVDplayer,and motorised reciever, distributed and controlled on 4 TV's around the house via the TRIAX TRI-LINK.

    the Scarts can be looped thru each receiver,

    Reading the ISAA review I agree with the 10/10,

    but if you could provide a link to a product that gives the agilty of the tri-link at the same price I would be very interested to see it.


  • #94
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    I agree the TRI-link is an excellent product, I for one have been recommending it here for months but to give somethink 10/10 means its perfect which it isnt. As I said it could easily be incorporated straight into the box.


  • #95
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Does a better box get 11/10 :D


  • #96
    steveon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    shblob wrote: »
    It wouldve been brilliant if it had a tri link built in

    Totally agree....tri-links are great but better when hidden away..but hopefully now triax are pushing them more they might drop a lil in price...


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  • #97
    dubber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭dubber


    Got my TSC114, a couple of quick observations:

    It can pause & rewind (was previously reported that it was pause or rewind), not sure if I'm on different firmware (settings at TS/Auto/Buffer).

    Its volume control works over HDMI ... looks like it is of the digital variety as it sounds best at MAX! This is quite handy if you've got an old school amp with no remote.

    A few usability issues with the UI:

    if you're in media you have to press media again to get out of that menu (not mentioned on the UI), exit doesn't work - not exactly intuitive. You have to explicitly exit out of the EPG via EPG or Exit .. selecting a channel doesn't do this as this function is also used to populate now/next listings.

    It is possible to stick the box in a mode that the TV doesn't support (e.g. 1080p50) and get stuck there (if you don't have a scart lead at the ready) - retailers are going to love that. I did this purely for *cough* testing reasons *cough*

    Having to select a sat channel to get the now/next for that transponder group is annoying - I'd give up 10s in boot time to get immediate now/next for say the first 20 channels.

    I'd also have to say that my good old Thomson Sky HD STB at this point in time seems to have better PQ/SQ than any FTA box I've seen so far, including this box (although haven't spent a huge time "calibrating" this one yet - so I'll reserve final judgement).

    Overall I'd say this a promising STB - a few tweaks here and there and it might just be great.


  • #98
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Anyone got a decent channel list done up they can send me?


  • #99
    Digital Satellite TV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Digital Satellite TV


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    Anyone got a decent channel list done up they can send me?


    can't give you the link as it might be construed as 'commercial activity' :( but if you go our site to the tsc114 page, under the downloads tab, there is the channel list file, download, unzip & copy to memory stick. Look at the video guides to see how to load it onto your combo receiver. Quick and simple process. Once done, just scan in the Irish channels and they will automatically go in position 1-8 with the BBCs etc starting at position 9. Easy peasy.


  • #100
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Digital Satellite TV wrote: »
    can't give you the link as it might be construed as 'commercial activity' :( but if you go our site to the tcs114 page, under the downloads tab, there is the channel list file, download, unzip & copy to memory stick. Look at the video guides to see how to load it onto your combo receiver. Quick and simple process. Once done, just scan in the Irish channels and they will automatically go in position 1-8 with the BBCs etc starting at position 9. Easy peasy.

    Thank you kindly


  • #101
    Tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Dave if you put the file up on mediafire or similar you can link directly to it here.


    Digital Satellite TV wrote: »
    can't give you the link as it might be construed as 'commercial activity' :(

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