Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

Danzy · 22-09-2019 8:42pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Everyone does make mistakes but Quinn managed to keep digging and digging when he did. He seemed to blame Anglo for the fall in share price and him owing them money when it was his fault. Remember the tax payer had to fund the losses in Anglo and when he asset stripped the Quinn group we were the ones getting screwed.

His situation is very different than the Bull McCabe. This field would have just been left to rot if outsiders hadn't come in to help and the people who used to tend to it rot as well.

As for him being allowed to buy his old company back I just don't know. It was his actions that led to him being removed from it and you don't get to call who owns it after that. Could he even afford to buy it back as he was declared bankrupt in 2012 so where would the money come from to do so?

He would leverage a buy out readily enough. He built a multi billion business out of a small, wet farm. He went bankrupt but they'll say nearly every billionaire has or come close to it.

He'd have no trouble getting funding.

He is happily retired but all this carry on will put others off buying it, talk of dissident IRA, the Guards sitting back during years of intimidation etc. People in New York or London will stay well away.

He might end up having to buy it off the hedge fund cause no one else will.

What a pain in the proverbial that would be, back in to all that again.

Please God the maniacs behind the attacks would not carry on their vendetta against him.

Danzy · 22-09-2019 8:50pm

Fair play to Sean for condemning it and showing a great warmth to Kevin. A local man he has known 20 years.

"my condolences to Kevin and Bronagh and whatever number of children they have"

celt262 · 22-09-2019 8:53pm

Danzy wrote: »

Fair play to Sean for condemning it and showing a great warmth to Kevin. A local man he has known 20 years.

"my condolences to Kevin and Bronagh and whatever number of children they have"

He is up to his neck in this there is no way anyone else is paying this gang.

walshb · 22-09-2019 9:31pm

Rashers Big Log wrote: »

I thought it was interesting that Seán Quinn issued a statement condemning the attack but most of the text I read in the paper was him voicing concern that his family would be blamed for it. I think a simple condemnation would have been sufficient

Agreed. Been reading a bit on it, and there always seems to be a ‘but.’

It’s clear that there was some bad blood between them...

Calltocall · 22-09-2019 9:54pm

I’ve read the news artcles online, the thread etc and I’m still not clear on who’s behind this, a bogeyman ex provo similar to slab murphy, hired mercenaries, locals with a grudge and a loyalty to previous owners, like something from a crime novel.

What is striking/worrying is that up to now it appears the local guards were afraid of these guys too and haven’t taken them on, that is a real concern in any functioning democracy, let’s hope the level of brutality dealt out has backfired on the perpetrators and will shine enough of a light on the area that the state can no longer ignore what’s going on here

redarmyblues · 22-09-2019 10:09pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

He bought billions of shares in Anglo on CFDs which obviously went south badly as that bank failed. He had to borrow money to keep the shares, this is how CFDs work.

He didn't buy billions of shares in Anglo and that's not how CFDs work.

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 10:12pm

Nice one for Scorsese or tarantino for a film -
Brendan Glesson as Seán Quinn
Runaway dumpers down the hills of Derrylin

Spanish Eyes · 22-09-2019 10:13pm

This has all the makings of a true crime drama, a book, a film, whatever.

Honestly it is very murky to me anyway. And some around those parts actually know what is going on.

I don't, but can guess.

Edit... just cross posted with pp Millionaire only not above

whisky_galore · 22-09-2019 10:17pm

If an exec of Google or Facebook or one of the multinationals was abducted, the guards would be all over it like a bad suit. Will they just swing the lead until someone actually gets killed...And then what?
Stinks to high heaven.

Millionaire only not · 22-09-2019 10:27pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

If an exec of Google or Facebook or one of the multinationals was abducted, the guards would be all over it like a bad suit. Will they just swing the lead until someone actually gets killed...And then what?
Stinks to high heaven.

It’s just the way business is done along the border for generations!
We have Larry on our business running it as a dictator and taking over farms when he has farmers bankrupt, he has 3 bodyguards does that not tell u something he’s a wanted man that’s not playing straight!
U wouldn’t have much uproar if he was lying why Kevin is !

Danzy · 22-09-2019 10:44pm

Calltocall wrote: »

I’ve read the news artcles online, the thread etc and I’m still not clear on who’s behind this, a bogeyman ex provo similar to slab murphy, hired mercenaries, locals with a grudge and a loyalty to previous owners, like something from a crime novel.

What is striking/worrying is that up to now it appears the local guards were afraid of these guys too and haven’t taken them on, that is a real concern in any functioning democracy, let’s hope the level of brutality dealt out has backfired on the perpetrators and will shine enough of a light on the area that the state can no longer ignore what’s going on here

They are not frightened, they know which side their bread is buttered on.

If they get worked up about this they'll pay career wise.

blanch152 · 23-09-2019 12:25am

maccored wrote: »

funny - i heard them condemning it on newstalk during the week

Do you have a link, because the media have generally not picked this up. Plenty of reported statements from other parties, but nothing from Sinn Fein. You are the only person I know who has heard it.

Patrick2010 · 23-09-2019 12:33am

Millionaire only not wrote: »

It’s just the way business is done along the border for generations!
We have Larry on our business running it as a dictator and taking over farms when he has farmers bankrupt, he has 3 bodyguards does that not tell u something he’s a wanted man that’s not playing straight!
U wouldn’t have much uproar if he was lying why Kevin is !

Care to translate that last line? Assume from your posts you’re a Quinn relative?

Millionaire only not · 23-09-2019 6:48am

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Care to translate that last line? Assume from your posts you’re a Quinn relative?

I said u wouldn’t have too much uproar if Larry was lying where kevin is !
The amount of people that have put a rope around there neck over that man and his greed !
Not a relative of Quinn’s thank god , just stating facts .

Danzy · 23-09-2019 9:09am

blanch152 wrote: »

Do you have a link, because the media have generally not picked this up. Plenty of reported statements from other parties, but nothing from Sinn Fein. You are the only person I know who has heard it.

Your a self parody at this stage.

maccored · 23-09-2019 2:34pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Do you have a link, because the media have generally not picked this up. Plenty of reported statements from other parties, but nothing from Sinn Fein. You are the only person I know who has heard it.

I was the only one who heard Michelle O'Neill (or Michelle Gildernew - cant remember which) and Arlene on newstalk when barry white was interviewing people last week? I bet you money plenty of other people heard it. I’d get the link for you but sure if i did, you’d never mention it again. I wont bother, so you can pretend she wasnt interviewed - or you could just go look up the archives yourself

EDIT:

Aye, like a quick 2 sec google about Sinn Fein and the attack finds nothing ... if you are blind. Just one example (plenty more if you could be bothered looking):

"Sinn Féin councillor Chris McCaffrey, a neighbour of Lunney’s, said his father phoned him in shock after hearing what had happened, and that he had been unable to get it out of his head since.

“It was just so brutal,” he said. “The community has absolutely rejected what has happened, everyone is shocked and completely opposed to it . . . It has left a very bad, ugly mark on the area.” "

another paper report

"Sinn Féin Tyrone MP, Michelle Gildernew, who has known Mr Lunney for many years, said everyone in Fermanagh was “shocked and stunned at the nature of the attack.” "

BarryD2 · 23-09-2019 3:07pm

Calltocall wrote: »

I’ve read the news artcles online, the thread etc and I’m still not clear on who’s behind this, a bogeyman ex provo similar to slab murphy, hired mercenaries, locals with a grudge and a loyalty to previous owners, like something from a crime novel.

I don't think anyone is, but we can all read between the lines and draw our own private conclusions.

23-09-2019 3:25pm

Danzy wrote: »

They are not frightened, they know which side their bread is buttered on.

If they get worked up about this they'll pay career wise.

Do you want to explain this please?
Are you trying to suggest that AGS are somehow in cahoots with whomever is behind the attacks?

Wombatman · 23-09-2019 3:43pm

Plenty of companies along the border. Any having similar troubles on this scale?

Sounds determined to get "his company" back by any means necessary.

Asked from the floor about his plans and whether he would try to get back into the company, Mr Quinn said: “I’ve been trying all along. I have said at all times I wanted to buy the company. I wanted to buy all of it. I could have got the finance to pay the equity share because you can’t go into a company without what they call a bit of skin in the game.

“I’m still fit, I’m still keen, I’m still determined and I know that with the support of the customers, the staff, the neighbours, the friends, the landowners, and I think it has all the support to make it as good as it could be made based on the position it’s in.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sean-quinn-tells-meeting-of-desire-to-return-to-run-his-former-business-1.3604537

blanch152 · 23-09-2019 5:07pm

maccored wrote: »

I was the only one who heard Michelle O'Neill (or Michelle Gildernew - cant remember which) and Arlene on newstalk when barry white was interviewing people last week? I bet you money plenty of other people heard it. I’d get the link for you but sure if i did, you’d never mention it again. I wont bother, so you can pretend she wasnt interviewed - or you could just go look up the archives yourself

EDIT:

Aye, like a quick 2 sec google about Sinn Fein and the attack finds nothing ... if you are blind. Just one example (plenty more if you could be bothered looking):

"Sinn Féin councillor Chris McCaffrey, a neighbour of Lunney’s, said his father phoned him in shock after hearing what had happened, and that he had been unable to get it out of his head since.

“It was just so brutal,” he said. “The community has absolutely rejected what has happened, everyone is shocked and completely opposed to it . . . It has left a very bad, ugly mark on the area.” "

another paper report

"Sinn Féin Tyrone MP, Michelle Gildernew, who has known Mr Lunney for many years, said everyone in Fermanagh was “shocked and stunned at the nature of the attack.” "

Fine, I was wrong on that one.

STB. · 23-09-2019 6:22pm

Some of the posts trying to justify this attack are just sick. We dont need an insight into that mindset at all.

And on Sean Quinn. Isnt this the man who played a large part in a bank that broke this country a decade ago, and has somehow managed to make himself the victim in this criminal attack.

I'd have to say I am in total agreement with Daniel McConnell view in the Irish Examiner.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/lunney-was-assaulted-quinn-is-not-the-victim-952090.html

maccored · 23-09-2019 7:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Fine, I was wrong on that one.

i'll ignore the insinuation of your initial post that I for some reason had been lying

ChikiChiki · 23-09-2019 7:32pm

We all paying for the mistakes of Sean Quinn. Another clown who got too big for his boots.

ChikiChiki · 23-09-2019 7:34pm

We all paying for the mistakes of Sean Quinn. Another clown who got too big for his boots.

Some people cannot resist the greed and power.

kirving · 23-09-2019 8:33pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

If an exec of Google or Facebook or one of the multinationals was abducted, the guards would be all over it like a bad suit. Will they just swing the lead until someone actually gets killed...And then what?
Stinks to high heaven.

The Gards would probably get a phonecall from the American embassy telling them to stay away from the area for a while.

Even the Mexican cartels don't dare to deliberately target Americans. They know full well that the CIA world get involved, and that just isn't worth the risk.

2thousand14 · 23-09-2019 9:47pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/kevin-lunney-investigation-cavan-fermanagh-4821371-Sep2019/

“Initial investigations have yielded results for gardaí. It is now believed that a gang led by a former IRA member with a string of convictions was behind the planning of the attack”

whisky_galore · 23-09-2019 9:53pm

2thousand14 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/kevin-lunney-investigation-cavan-fermanagh-4821371-Sep2019/

“Initial investigations have yielded results for gardaí. It is now believed that a gang led by a former IRA member with a string of convictions was behind the planning of the attack”

Not surprising, the RA and their fellow travellers had previous form, it's like a harking back to the bad old days.
It's good to see the guards finally getting the finger out.

shesty · 23-09-2019 9:54pm

I still don't understand why.Because he has nothing else to do, is that it? (And I am not trying to be funny or make light of it).
As for Sean Quinn, I presume most other people can see through his rubbish...right?Apart from those in the area who continue to believe that he is the best thing ever.

ruwithme · 23-09-2019 9:56pm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

The Gards would probably get a phonecall from the American embassy telling them to stay away from the area for a while.

Even the Mexican cartels don't dare to deliberately target Americans. They know full well that the CIA world get involved, and that just isn't worth the risk.

Jason Bourne was pretty handy when he was on the go alright.

celt262 · 23-09-2019 9:59pm

shesty wrote: »

I still don't understand why.Because he has nothing else to do, is that it? (And I am not trying to be funny or make light of it).
As for Sean Quinn, I presume most other people can see through his rubbish...right?Apart from those in the area who continue to believe that he is the best thing ever.

Someone will start singing at some stage and the truth will come out.

2thousand14 · 23-09-2019 10:01pm

I read a post near the start of this thread which I think is the most likely reason for all this. The IRA back in the troubles were gaining heavily due to the operation of the Quinn company. And then that all stopped after the takeover and they weren’t happy.

celt262 · 23-09-2019 10:04pm

2thousand14 wrote: »

I read a post near the start of this thread which I think is the most likely reason for all this. The IRA back in the troubles were gaining heavily due to the operation of the Quinn company. And then that all stopped after the takeover and they weren’t happy.

How were they gaining heavily?

Danzy · 23-09-2019 10:23pm

2thousand14 wrote: »

I read a post near the start of this thread which I think is the most likely reason for all this. The IRA back in the troubles were gaining heavily due to the operation of the Quinn company. And then that all stopped after the takeover and they weren’t happy.

Whoever is doing this is paid well to keep it up.

That is the sole reason it is done.

There is a 20 year gap in your explanation.

tdf7187 · 23-09-2019 10:31pm

Danzy wrote: »

Whoever is doing this is paid well to keep it up.

That is the sole reason it is done.

There is a 20 year gap in your explanation.

It's a plausible theory nevertheless. 20 year gap? Yes but what employment opportunities are there for former terrorists?

Muahahaha · 23-09-2019 10:40pm

celt262 wrote: »

Someone will start singing at some stage and the truth will come out.

Sounds like the Gardai know exactly who is behind it. The muppets forgot to buy bleach before the kidnapping and now one of them has been caught on a shops CCTV buying it locally at the exact time the incident was ongoing. Kevin Lunney told the Gardai that while he was being tortured there was an argument between them about the bleach and one of them was sent out to the shops to get it. They're not just scum, they're complete idiots too.

2thousand14 · 23-09-2019 10:42pm

celt262 wrote: »

How were they gaining heavily?

Could be many things but some way the IRA has to have used such a large company to their advantage back then

Who’s to say the people that are doing this are being paid. They could be taking this on on their own accord.

23-09-2019 10:57pm

shesty wrote: »

Apart from those in the area who continue to believe that he is the best thing ever.

Don't be so sure, there's not such a big fan club anymore

heldel00 · 23-09-2019 11:05pm

Quinn paid a chunk of "protection money" yearly, to be left alone to go about his business, making a fortune. This was a handy earner for "the lads" and everyone was kept happy
New heads take over and refuse to pay. The handy earner is gone and it's seen as huge disrespect. These people are not used to hearing the word no and are used to getting their own way.

ToBeFrank123 · 23-09-2019 11:11pm

The inaction of guards in the area for the last 5 years is the next big scandal in the force.

Sounds like they didn't want to rock the boat in Quinn country and turned a blind eye to intimidation and death threats.

Danzy · 23-09-2019 11:14pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The inaction of guards in the area for the last 5 years is the next big scandal in the force.

Sounds like they didn't want to rock the boat in Quinn country and turned a blind eye to intimidation and death threats.

Lot of Guards were unhappy with it but they had to go along.

They know why as well.

ToBeFrank123 · 23-09-2019 11:14pm

heldel00 wrote: »

Quinn paid a chunk of "protection money" yearly, to be left alone to go about his business, making a fortune. This was a handy earner for "the lads" and everyone was kept happy
New heads take over and refuse to pay. The handy earner is gone and it's seen as huge disrespect. These people are not used to hearing the word no and are used to getting their own way.

That could be one scenario. Another scenario is someone paid the gang large sums of money to threathen, intimidate and physically assault the current management. The gardai appear to be investigating this scenario.

heldel00 · 23-09-2019 11:17pm

The world and his wife know the culprits. They'll be got and there'll be a real clanger for the media in it too.

Danzy · 23-09-2019 11:18pm

heldel00 wrote: »

Quinn paid a chunk of "protection money" yearly, to be left alone to go about his business, making a fortune. This was a handy earner for "the lads" and everyone was kept happy
New heads take over and refuse to pay. The handy earner is gone and it's seen as huge disrespect. These people are not used to hearing the word no and are used to getting their own way.

So the Guards were turning a blind eye to a protection racket and a campaign of violence following the ending of protection money.

Doesn't make sense.

Lots of people being well paid to do this and ignore it .

whisky_galore · 23-09-2019 11:18pm

tdf7187 wrote: »

It's a plausible theory nevertheless. 20 year gap? Yes but what employment opportunities are there for former terrorists?

Drugs and washing diesel are two that come to mind.
A hard border would be great for "business" too.

AndrewJRenko · 24-09-2019 7:18am

STB. wrote: »

I'd have to say I am in total agreement with Daniel McConnell view in the Irish Examiner.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/columnists/lunney-was-assaulted-quinn-is-not-the-victim-952090.html

Is there a contradiction in the article?

“All I can do is send out my condolences to Kevin and Bronagh and whatever number of children they have. Express my sympathy to them. My view is you wouldn’t do that to a dog. It is not natural; it is barbaric,” he said.

"Not once did he wish Lunney well in his recovery; not once. But that might have been an oversight"

Happy4all · 24-09-2019 7:26am

heldel00 wrote: »

The world and his wife know the culprits. They'll be got and there'll be a real clanger for the media in it too.

I don't

STB. · 24-09-2019 9:05am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is there a contradiction in the article?

“All I can do is send out my condolences to Kevin and Bronagh and whatever number of children they have. Express my sympathy to them. My view is you wouldn’t do that to a dog. It is not natural; it is barbaric,” he said.

"Not once did he wish Lunney well in his recovery; not once. But that might have been an oversight"

Condolences on being assaulted and best wishes for recovery are two different things, I suppose is the point he is trying to make, as he goes on to describe what else was said in the interview (with Northern Sound).

The Times in the UK ran an extensive article on this at the weekend. You should read that.

The undertones are quite clear and have been acknowledged by Quinn himself who has said that his family will be blamed for this.

One thing is for sure, somebody was paid to do this, by persons unknown.

heldel00 · 24-09-2019 7:43pm

Happy4all wrote: »

heldel00 wrote: »

The world and his wife know the culprits. They'll be got and there'll be a real clanger for the media in it too.

I don't

Edited to add - The world and his wife, in the locality, ....

celt262 · 24-09-2019 7:52pm

heldel00 wrote: »

Edited to add - The world and his wife, in the locality, ....

PM me the cuplrits

Millionaire only not · 24-09-2019 9:42pm

The shop that sold the bleach should check its wiring I believe it’s liable to go on fire in the future!

Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

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