UFC 214 - DC vs Jones

Ush1 · 28-07-2017 3:02pm

JoeyJJ wrote: »

That was also a long time ago and Damien is better now on feet. Enough to win on feet here ?? Undecided.

Not a hope IMO. Woodley has a huge speed and power advantage.

wonderfullife · 28-07-2017 3:13pm

Maia Decision

Ush1 wrote: »

Not a hope IMO. Woodley has a huge speed and power advantage.

True but his output is shockingly low. Look at the Lawler fight, he didn't throw a single punch for nearly 80 seconds. Ok, he slept Robbie with the first big punch he landed ...

Ditto the Wonderboy fights.

Woodley has speed and power advantages, for sure, but he doesn't exactly throw many shots. I think Maia will be comfortable if it stays standing just working behind his jab.

All that being said, I expect Maia to shoot for a takedown within 20 seconds of round 1.

Ush1 · 28-07-2017 3:19pm

wonderfullife wrote: »

True but his output is shockingly low. Look at the Lawler fight, he didn't throw a single punch for nearly 80 seconds. Ok, he slept Robbie with the first big punch he landed ...

Ditto the Wonderboy fights.

Woodley has speed and power advantages, for sure, but he doesn't exactly throw many shots. I think Maia will be comfortable if it stays standing just working behind his jab.

All that being said, I expect Maia to shoot for a takedown within 20 seconds of round 1.

Woodley is tentative but in both the Wonderboy and Lawler fights he was facing dangerous strikers who could sting him.

He might be cautious this time because of the takedown but I think the longer the fight goes on the feet, the more desperate and telegraphed Maias takedown attempts get.

I don't agree that Maia will be comfortable behind his jab, unless it's improved a lot I don't think it will get Woodleys respect and if he's flicking it out there lazily like he often does Woodley could time that bomb right hand counter. Interesting all the same.

Gamebred · 28-07-2017 3:36pm

Maia Decision

Woodley is gonna be doing some serious running in round 1, Maias shots were telegraphed big time in rd 2 and 3 against Masvidal he looked very tired although that might have been to elevation because I think that was in Denver or something was it?

EagererBeaver · 28-07-2017 3:38pm

Woodley Sub

Nah, it was Madvidal-Cowboy in Denver I think.

I'd say he was pretty darn tired from having to hold his body triangle for the entire first round though.

tinpib · 28-07-2017 3:41pm

Maia Decision

Live weigh-ins start at 5pm GMT. I watched them once on mmajunkie on youtube and found it quite entertaining actually.

Gamebred · 28-07-2017 3:43pm

Maia Decision

Whose missing weight? ill take the double DC and Cyborg.

EagererBeaver · 28-07-2017 3:48pm

Woodley Sub

Gamebred wrote: »

Whose missing weight? ill take the double DC and Cyborg.

I'd love DC to come in at 206 just for a tiny bit of trolling.

LollipopJimmy · 28-07-2017 4:00pm

EagererBeaver wrote: »

I'd love DC to come in at 206 just for a tiny bit of trolling.

If DC comes in over 205 will he be stripped of the title and Jon Jones given an interim belt if he wins?

mailburner · 28-07-2017 4:01pm

DC KO/TKO

riffmongous wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Demian's stand up was terrible and Silva was just making a mockery of him for the entire fight cause he knew Maia didn't have a chance against him. He also didn't finish Thales Leites before that simply because he couldn't be bothered.

Tbh, if anything the Silva fight does make Maia's stand up look awful because you see how little threat he posed that his opponent didn't even feel he needed to finish him

That's how I remember it, silva just clowning around being an arsehole and yes his stand up was terrible that night, posed zero threat to silva.
I lost all respect for silva that night as did many other I'd imagine and when weidman beat him doing more or less that same thing I was ecstatic.

It's such a same the likes of whittaker, romero rock and the likes weren't around when silva was champ.

Wrongway1985 · 28-07-2017 4:04pm

Maia Decision

tinpib wrote: »

Live weigh-ins start at 5pm GMT. I watched them once on mmajunkie on youtube and found it quite entertaining actually.

On Mmafighting Ariel usually does his nature documentary impression coverage

EagererBeaver · 28-07-2017 4:05pm

Woodley Sub

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

If DC comes in over 205 will he be stripped of the title and Jon Jones given an interim belt if he wins?

If Jones makes weight and wins, he gets the title.

wonderfullife · 28-07-2017 4:13pm

Maia Decision

EagererBeaver wrote: »

If Jones makes weight and wins, he gets the title.

When a champion misses weight, it becomes a non-title fight.

The UFC can choose to strip DC after-the-fact (win or lose), the belts are a prop after all, but Jones doesn't win any belt if DC misses weight.

Only real comparison is Sonnen v Filho when Filho missed weight as a champion, they fought, Chael won and he didn't get the belt. Filho took it upon himself to send Sonnen the belt in the post with a little note saying "this is yours".

Useful.Idiot · 28-07-2017 4:22pm

Woodley Sub

tinpib wrote: »

Live weigh-ins start at 5pm GMT. I watched them once on mmajunkie on youtube and found it quite entertaining actually.

Ariel's one is the best. He starts shooting off endless random facts about the city he's in between fighters weighing in. The tension gets ridiculous when someone is missing with like 10 mins left.

LollipopJimmy · 28-07-2017 4:26pm

EagererBeaver wrote: »

If Jones makes weight and wins, he gets the title.

But it's a non championship fight if either go over the 205

EagererBeaver · 28-07-2017 4:31pm

Woodley Sub

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

But it's a non championship fight if either go over the 205

My understanding was that that only applied to the party that doesn't make weight. Would be a bit ridiculous if Jones can make weight, beat the champion and not be awarded the title. Happily retracted if that's the case, just seems nuts.

kwestfan08 · 28-07-2017 4:39pm

When Anderson Silva fought Travis Lutter and Lutter didnt make weight it's wasn't counted as a title fight and therefore didn't count towards his title defence record. That's why it's 10 and not 11 as it should be.

wonderfullife · 28-07-2017 4:41pm

Maia Decision

EagererBeaver wrote: »

My understanding was that that only applied to the party that doesn't make weight. Would be a bit ridiculous if Jones can make weight, beat the champion and not be awarded the title. Happily retracted if that's the case, just seems nuts.

It is sorta nuts but it's the way it's done.

The only time it would remain a title fight is in situations like Pettis-Holloway, where neither man is the champion. Then, the title is winnable by one opponent.

If DC misses weight, what will happen is they will announce the fight is a non-title fight, DC forfeits 20% purse, it becomes 3 rounds and then Dana will decide whether to strip DC after-the-fact (win or lose).

The reverse is also true if Jones misses weight, in the sense it's immediately a non-title fight.

Gamebred · 28-07-2017 4:46pm

Maia Decision

If Dc misses hes stripped instantly and only Jones can win I assumed.

LollipopJimmy · 28-07-2017 4:49pm

EagererBeaver wrote: »

My understanding was that that only applied to the party that doesn't make weight. Would be a bit ridiculous if Jones can make weight, beat the champion and not be awarded the title. Happily retracted if that's the case, just seems nuts.

While that makes the most amount of sense I don't think it's the case unfortunately.
I think it's a distinct possibility that DC misses weight, he struggled last time out and it wasn't all that long ago

Useful.Idiot · 28-07-2017 4:54pm

Woodley Sub

Don't think it's a problem this time

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/890957455416369152

Richard tea · 28-07-2017 5:01pm

DC Sub

tinpib wrote: »

Live weigh-ins start at 5pm GMT. I watched them once on mmajunkie on youtube and found it quite entertaining actually.

It says starts live in 7 hours?

Useful.Idiot · 28-07-2017 5:04pm

Woodley Sub

DC weighs in first at 205

Wrongway1985 · 28-07-2017 5:04pm

Maia Decision

Richard tea wrote: »

It says starts live in 7 hours?

That's the ceremonial event

Gamebred · 28-07-2017 5:05pm

Maia Decision

No stream of the weigh ins going on now what a joke, wanted to see how DC looks.

Wrongway1985 · 28-07-2017 5:07pm

Maia Decision

Aljo 139.5 apparently

Richard tea · 28-07-2017 5:09pm

DC Sub

Gamebred wrote: »

No stream of the weigh ins going on now what a joke, wanted to see how DC looks.

http://mmajunkie.com/2017/07/ufc-214-early-weigh-in-results-live-video-stream-noon-et

jons was 204.5

wonderfullife · 28-07-2017 5:09pm

Maia Decision

Gamebred wrote: »

No stream of the weigh ins going on now what a joke, wanted to see how DC looks.

There's loads of streams

Here ya go:

http://mmajunkie.com/2017/07/ufc-214-early-weigh-in-results-live-video-stream-noon-et

DC looked Conor McGregor level of death. Jones looked great. Maia looked surprisingly better than usual. No sign of Cyborg.

Gamebred · 28-07-2017 5:10pm

Maia Decision

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Aljo 139.5 apparently

Catchweight at 140 that one is.

Wrongway1985 · 28-07-2017 5:12pm

Maia Decision

Gamebred wrote: »

Catchweight at 140 that one is.

Oh since when I see Barao 140

tinpib · 28-07-2017 5:12pm

Maia Decision

That's annoying they started earlier than what I saw advertised at 5pm GMT. Also mmafighting's Facebook live vid is sh!te, blockovision and no sound.

Mmmajunkie facebook feed is A1 though but I've missed plenty of fighters already.

wonderfullife · 28-07-2017 5:15pm

Maia Decision

If Cyborg can't make 145 she should consider retirement before she kills herself with these weight cuts.

Anyway, hopefully she's on point.

tinpib · 28-07-2017 5:29pm

Maia Decision

Jimmy Manuwa looks ripped there 204.5

Is that flipping idiot there again asking "what was the weight?" about 5 seconds after it is announced?

edit: yep they are.

EagererBeaver · 28-07-2017 5:39pm

Woodley Sub

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Oh since when I see Barao 140

California commission announced a few weeks back they wouldn't license him at 135.

tinpib · 28-07-2017 5:46pm

Maia Decision

Woodley looks in great shape there. 170.

johnpatrick81 · 28-07-2017 5:48pm

Maia Decision

Hope Maia strangles the Bollywood out of him!

tinpib · 28-07-2017 5:49pm

Maia Decision

Jaysus, getting the shower curtain hoop yolk out for Cyborg.

145 in the nip.

28-07-2017 6:00pm

Jon Jones Sub

tinpib wrote: »

Jaysus, getting the shower curtain hoop yolk out for Cyborg.

145 in the nip.

She struggles to make 145 and people were claiming she should fight at 135 ffs

Frank Bullitt · 28-07-2017 8:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

She struggles to make 145 and people were claiming she should fight at 135 ffs

She would have to lose a limb to make that.

xtal191 · 28-07-2017 8:51pm

Woodley Sub

I'll never understand why people hate DC and boo him etc, fair enough if they dont like his style of fighting but he always comes across as a good person.

riffmongous · 28-07-2017 8:56pm

Maia KO/TKO

Yeah its totally mad how people will cheer a hit and runner coke fiend over a respectable guy

Gamebred · 28-07-2017 9:01pm

Maia Decision

I dont care what he does in his spare time personally, I like watching him fight and am desperate to see gus rematch so theres a reason somebody would pull for him.

28-07-2017 9:09pm

Jon Jones Sub

Gamebred wrote: »

I dont care what he does in his spare time personally, I like watching him fight and am desperate to see gus rematch so theres a reason somebody would pull for him.

Yeah MMA needs the likes of Jon Jones star power. WAR JONNY BONES!

28-07-2017 9:16pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Yeah its totally mad how people will cheer a hit and runner coke fiend over a respectable guy

People live vicariously through their sports stars, rockstars, Hollywood stars etc. The public in general just don't want their cage fighting champion to be a respectable goody two-shoes. The devil has all the best tunes.

People also like a car crash.

D.Q · 28-07-2017 9:44pm

Maia Decision

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The devil has all the best tunes.

Haha never heard that phrase before. Stealing it.

I'm shouting for DC tomorrow myself. Think his redemption story appeals to me more.

Not a fan of Jones inside the cage.

Useful.Idiot · 28-07-2017 9:48pm

Woodley Sub

My heart's rooting for DC but I bet against him. Hopefully that means I'll be happy either way..

I still find it a bit odd that Jones is coming out saying he works out 4 times a day and doesn't need recovery. Sounds like the performance output of a clean athlete all right!

Dtp1979 · 28-07-2017 10:16pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah MMA needs the likes of Jon Jones star power. WAR JONNY BONES!

What's all this WAR shjte lately. WAR this War that Shiite. Seriously wtf Is it about?

Swashbuckler · 28-07-2017 10:18pm

Maia Decision

Dtp1979 wrote:

What's all this WAR shjte lately. WAR this War that Shiite. Seriously wtf Is it about?

WAR Dtp1979

Tinie · 28-07-2017 10:38pm

Woodley Sub

Dtp1979 wrote: »

What's all this WAR shjte lately. WAR this War that Shiite. Seriously wtf Is it about?

People have been saying that for years...

tinpib · 28-07-2017 11:12pm

Maia Decision

Looking at weigh-ins again, Cyborg's opponent Tonya Evinger looks like another fighter's mam stepped on the scales by accident.

UFC 214 - DC vs Jones

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