Norwegian Air Discussion

LiamaDelta · 20-02-2017 11:28pm

Do Norwegian do business class? It would seem that by flying to/from TF they will pretty much lose the J business, which in marginal cases is often what keeps a route afloat. I know if I were travelling for work I may as well route via DUB/LHR/AMS and land in the city rather than have to get from Warwick to downtown.

ongarboy · 20-02-2017 11:48pm

Locker10a wrote: »

Absolute agree there, I recently had family who flew to London, one lives in Cork at the moment, the other in Mayo..:. Guess where they flew to London from!!? ..:..Dublin!!
This is the trouble with people knowing the price of everything but not the cost..

They may be time rich and cash poor? Although, I bet they spent more on fuel driving to Dublin, tolls, snacks or meals along the way to and from in their effort to "save" money. I did it once when I was about 21 and broke, flying to JFK via LHR to save 50 Irish pounds instead of direct from SNN or DUB. I think I spent that much in the 6 hours I endured in Heathrow on overpriced meals, coffees and pints, magazines etc as well as the extra travel time so never again....

LiamaDelta · 22-02-2017 10:37am

Interesting article in the IT this morning agreeing with some of the suggestions above:

However, it is likely that Norwegian will announce it will fly 12 times per week from Dublin to airports in New York and Rhode Island, while Cork will get three services, also to Rhode Island, with the possibility of further routes added in the future.

One industry source said on Tuesday night news that Norwegian now intended to launch the bulk of its flights from Dublin could be seen as a blow to hopes that its plans would create opportunities for regional airports such as Cork and Shannon.

jucylucy · 22-02-2017 11:11am

I know that their maintenance provider is hiring several engineers to cover their DUBLIN flights and are expected to be ready for the summer.
Not sure which routes.....

ongarboy · 22-02-2017 11:34am

Route and fare details to be announced tomorrow according to the Irish Times

JCX BXC · 22-02-2017 1:21pm

We always knew it was going to be Dublin as the main feature, although there was a few fantasy's hoping that Cork would be transformed by this announcement.

If the route is cut shortly after commencing, will Norwegians lower fares cause more and more people to travel to Dublin as opposed to connecting in LHR?

Bussywussy · 22-02-2017 1:53pm

jucylucy wrote: »

I know that their maintenance provider is hiring several engineers to cover their DUBLIN flights and are expected to be ready for the summer.
Not sure which routes.....

And cover for Cork and Shannon,heard Belfast too.

Idbatterim · 22-02-2017 5:59pm

If the route is cut shortly after commencing, will Norwegians lower fares cause more and more people to travel to Dublin as opposed to connecting in LHR?

personally, I wouldnt be using them. The fares in my opinion wouldnt be cheap enough to justify not going into main airports for a start. I think current transatlantic fares are already very reasonable. The way I see it, they will simply reduce the headline cost and recoup much of this through ancillary means. Now of course if you dont go for any of these, you can save money... Is it worth it? time will tell... It will be interesting to see, how much more demand, cheaper headline fares actually generate...

one thing that makes me laugh though is people paying a large premium for the rubbish meals and 2 or 3 drinks you get on the plane.

Idbatterim · 22-02-2017 6:28pm

just researched edinburgh, makes total sense, handled 12.5 million PAX last year, also glasgow close. United, Delta and Virgin fly into NY and CHicago, just took random dates in June. MY GOD the prices, min E1200 return!!!

Deagol · 22-02-2017 9:28pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

just researched edinburgh, makes total sense, handled 12.5 million PAX last year, also glasgow close. United, Delta and Virgin fly into NY and CHicago, just took random dates in June. MY GOD the prices, min E1200 return!!!

That's a bit mad alright. I checked for interest BA, and they do via LHR for around £600.

It does seem strange though that it's so very expensive from EDI. Anyone know why? Lack of competition or some other factor?

LiamaDelta · 23-02-2017 1:33am

Looks like it's going to be Bradley; Stewart and TF Green. Direct competition with EI on Bradley. Will be very interesting.

JCX BXC · 23-02-2017 1:36am

LiamaDelta wrote: »

Looks like it's going to be Bradley; Stewart and TF Green. Direct competition with EI on Bradley. Will be very interesting.

Bradley? Where did you hear that? First I heard of Bradley.

Tenger · 23-02-2017 1:55am

The_Wanderer wrote: »

Great to see Norwegian using the Ryanair ploy of dumping you nowhere near the City you want to go to. :mad:

Should be marketed as a Cork to Providence route.

After coming off a T/A flight the last thing I want to be doing is spending another couple of hours actually getting to Boston, which is 60 miles away.

In my opinion the onus in this case is mainly on the purchaser of the ticket. If you dont fully research your own travel plans then you are at fault. If you are not fully confident in using the online booking options then use a travel agent or a trusted family member who prints out your itinerary and a detailed map.
The whole US North East market is more than just Boston and NYC. While Norwegian is marketing for the big cities but serving smaller airports they are still serving the wider NE suburban region.

Historical Aside: Back when I worked in the airport I was once stopped by a passenger who was horrified to discover that she had to connect to another flight to London. She had booked Aer Lingus "JFK-LHR" and had completely missed the info about the "one stop" part, I met her as she wondered lost inside Pier B. I gently steered her to her gate and went off to my own flight.

john boye · 23-02-2017 9:05am

LiamaDelta wrote: »

Looks like it's going to be Bradley; Stewart and TF Green. Direct competition with EI on Bradley. Will be very interesting.

I read they were talking about Bradley for next year, not this one?

Noxegon · 23-02-2017 11:53am

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/norwegian-confirms-transatlantic-flights-from-dublin-cork-and-shannon-from-69-35475744.html

amcalester · 23-02-2017 12:01pm

Noxegon wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/norwegian-confirms-transatlantic-flights-from-dublin-cork-and-shannon-from-69-35475744.html

Does that mean bookings start from July 1st or flights start on July 1st?

LeChienMefiant · 23-02-2017 12:09pm

Booking doesn't appear to be open.

roundymac · 23-02-2017 12:11pm

Flights start on 1st july, you can now book on the airlines website.Tuesday, Thursday and saturday, departing at 16.20 arr 19.05 to Providence. Well there you are folks, it's for real, use it or lose it.

amcalester · 23-02-2017 12:16pm

roundymac wrote: »

Flights start on 1st july, you can now book on the airlines website.Tuesday, Thursday and saturday, departing at 16.20 arr 19.05 to Providence. Well there you are folks, it's for real, use it or lose it.

What site, I was on www.norwegian.com and couldnt find the flights.

roundymac · 23-02-2017 12:28pm

amcalester wrote: »

What site, I was on www.norwegian.com and couldnt find the flights.

Not a great start, is it.

amcalester · 23-02-2017 12:29pm

roundymac wrote: »

Not a great start, is it.

No, I was on to their web chat support as well and they are saying the have no access to information about flights or routes which have not yet been published.

rabjoshu · 23-02-2017 12:33pm

Gives more detail. No times ex-Snn though http://media.norwegian.com/uk/#/pressreleases/norwegian-unveils-69-pounds-flights-to-the-usa-from-5-uk-and-irish-cities-1823267

IngazZagni · 23-02-2017 12:37pm

I found flights Dublin to Stewart were bookable for me. €69 on way out and €72 on way back however this doesn't include checked baggage so you would need to double this fee if you want a checked bag which I think most going as far as the States would. Get them quick if you want a cheap trip though, I doubt these fares will be available for long.

rabjoshu · 23-02-2017 12:40pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

I found flights Dublin to Stewart were bookable for me. €69 on way out and €72 on way back however this doesn't include checked baggage so you would need to double this fee if you want a checked bag which I think most going as far as the States would. Get them quick if you want a cheap trip though, I doubt these fares will be available for long.

Snn-Pvd bookable too €140 return in September

TheChizler · 23-02-2017 1:19pm

2 people return Aug/Sept €280.40

crisco10 · 23-02-2017 1:23pm

TheChizler wrote: »

2 people return Aug/Sept €280.40

No food, no bags in that fare you have to remember. THat said you get that in Lowfare+ which probably still works out pretty cheap.

de biz · 23-02-2017 1:25pm

Exit rows appear to be closed off ???

LXFlyer · 23-02-2017 1:29pm

I would just highlight that people should factor in onward travel costs to their destinations from these airports - and indeed baggage costs before making decisions on these fares - the headline fare might be low, but when you factor in the other costs it will get higher and may be substantially so depending upon where you are going.

Also, no checked bags or food are included in the lowfare category.

Bussywussy · 23-02-2017 1:29pm

The figures that were up here a while back for marginal weather at cork..how that fare out for a 737 Max???

L1011 · 23-02-2017 1:31pm

I hope they learned their lesson of caning a new Boeing type on introduction from the 787 and have suitable recovery time built in here - albeit the MAX shouldn't be anywhere near as problematic

Bussywussy · 23-02-2017 1:39pm

L1011 wrote: »

I hope they learned their lesson of caning a new Boeing type on introduction from the 787 and have suitable recovery time built in here - albeit the MAX shouldn't be anywhere near as problematic

They Might of gave Airbus a buzz....

737max · 23-02-2017 1:46pm

Never before has Ireland been so well connected to the outside world to the benefit of the Irish economy and society and yet we have this fool of a man trying to destabilize things:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/noonan-raises-prospect-of-reintroducing-air-travel-tax-1.2962887
It can't be dismissed as hot air since this is the man who saw fit to do the unthinkable by stealing Irish private pensions via a levy and discourage people from starting a pension as a by-product.

Hopefully all the new US routes will stand on their own feet and become fixed items on the arrival and departure boards.

If nothing else they will put downward pressure on trans-atlantic fares from the incumbents.

murphaph · 23-02-2017 1:54pm

lxflyer wrote: »

I would just highlight that people should factor in onward travel costs to their destinations from these airports - and indeed baggage costs before making decisions on these fares - the headline fare might be low, but when you factor in the other costs it will get higher and may be substantially so depending upon where you are going.

Also, no checked bags or food are included in the lowfare category.

Yeah but for visiting family it's grand. My mother visits us often in Berlin and just leaves clothes here. She only needs a carry on bag. If you had family in MA you could visit them regularly at those sorts of prices and you wouldn't need a checked bag at all. Obviously same for Irish in America coming home.

IngazZagni · 23-02-2017 1:56pm

Prices are increasing rapidly. Availability of the €69 fares are reducing fast. Many days are now €200 plus, some days are over €600 one way!!! That's with no checked bag or anything. I'll be giving these flights a miss I think. I certainly won't be booking them at the prices on the days that suit me.

marno21 · 23-02-2017 2:07pm

737max wrote: »

Never before has Ireland been so well connected to the outside world to the benefit of the Irish economy and society and yet we have this fool of a man trying to destabilize things:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/noonan-raises-prospect-of-reintroducing-air-travel-tax-1.2962887
It can't be dismissed as hot air since this is the man who saw fit to do the unthinkable by stealing Irish private pensions via a levy and discourage people from starting a pension as a by-product.

Hopefully all the new US routes will stand on their own feet and become fixed items on the arrival and departure boards.

If nothing else they will put downward pressure on trans-atlantic fares from the incumbents.

His days are numbered.

I wouldn't be too worried about him at this stage.

LXFlyer · 23-02-2017 2:07pm

murphaph wrote: »

Yeah but for visiting family it's grand. My mother visits us often in Berlin and just leaves clothes here. She only needs a carry on bag. If you had family in MA you could visit them regularly at those sorts of prices and you wouldn't need a checked bag at all. Obviously same for Irish in America coming home.

Absolutely - just highlighting that while the fare might appear a steal initially that there could be extra costs - people need to look at the entire trip!

duskyjoe · 23-02-2017 2:14pm

No matter the pros and cons, Norwegian coming into town is a total game changer . Alan Kelly is spouting in the dail that Cork was a Trojan horse and masked what Norwegians real intentions are re Dublin. Norwegian and FR are in talks about interlining pax onwards......can't see FR coming to agreement with EIN interlining with Norwegian possibly linking up with FR. I find the whole situation fascinating. My question is , with this extra capacity surely it will hit hard with the major carriers ex DUB? Anything that adds to connectivity from our little windswept island is a good thing

amcalester · 23-02-2017 2:30pm

Just booked Dub to Stewart return for 2 in October for €470.00 with 1 checked bag and extra leg room. Pretty pleased with that, similar flights into JFK or Newark were priced at about €955.00.

duskyjoe · 23-02-2017 2:36pm

amcalester wrote: »

Just booked Dub to Stewart return for 2 in October for €470.00 with 1 checked bag and extra leg room. Pretty pleased with that, similar flights into JFK or Newark were priced at about €955.00.

Had a look at Stewart airports web site re transport into manhattan. Very very vague. The one thing about JFK which I like and travel a lot on my own is I can jump on the subway into the city and out at anytime re aJFK. The options are not as clear Stewart. I think Norwegian will fill their boots re PVD! All the J1 ers and a huge huge Irish contingent go to the cape every summer without fail. So we have connections to Stewart, PVD, BDL...... then the obvious BOS, JFK, EWR.......surely this is saturation. Will EIN et al engage in a price war? Fascinating stuff

amcalester · 23-02-2017 2:39pm

duskyjoe wrote: »

Had a look at Stewart airports web site re transport into manhattan. Very very vague. The one thing about JFK which I like and travel a lot on my own is I can jump on the subway into the city and out at anytime re aJFK. The options are not as clear Stewart. I think Norwegian will fill their boots re PVD! All the J1 ers and a huge huge Irish contingent go to the cape every summer without fail. So we have connections to Stewart, PVD, BDL...... then the obvious BOS, JFK, EWR.......surely this is saturation. Will EIN et al engage in a price war? Fascinating stuff

I thought the links from Stewart were very vague too, but I'm not in much of a rush to get to NYC itself and was thinking of staying locally for a day, maybe go to see West Point which isn't too far away.

By October its possible that there'll be better links direct to Manhattan from the airport, so I'll wait and see.

rabjoshu · 23-02-2017 2:39pm

duskyjoe wrote: »

So we have connections to Stewart, PVD, BDL...... then the obvious BOS, JFK, EWR.......surely this is saturation. Will EIN et al engage in a price war? Fascinating stuff

I'm pretty certain there'll be a price war. You can see it in other DY markets such as Oslo, Stockholm and Gatwick

LXFlyer · 23-02-2017 2:41pm

duskyjoe wrote: »

Had a look at Stewart airports web site re transport into manhattan. Very very vague. The one thing about JFK which I like and travel a lot on my own is I can jump on the subway into the city and out at anytime re aJFK. The options are not as clear Stewart. I think Norwegian will fill their boots re PVD! All the J1 ers and a huge huge Irish contingent go to the cape every summer without fail. So we have connections to Stewart, PVD, BDL...... then the obvious BOS, JFK, EWR.......surely this is saturation. Will EIN et al engage in a price war? Fascinating stuff

From what I can see it's a 35 minute bus ride from Stewart Airport to Beacon Station (Leprechaun bus lines) and then an hourly train service from there to Grand Central that takes 90 minutes.

Idbatterim · 23-02-2017 3:22pm

you can bring on 10kg hand baggage for free. If you are travelling with other people, just split a checked in bag between you. As for drink / food, you can bring food onto plane! Maybe some of you have a different experience to me, but I fly a lot, plane food is s**te!

It looks to me, if you are clever and dont mind a longer travel time in, you will be potentially able to make significant enough savings...

ongarboy · 23-02-2017 3:25pm

Trust Labour TD Alan Kelly to put a dampener on the good news suggesting a Trojan horse conspiracy theory that Cork airport was "used" to advance a third terminal at DUB??? how does today's route announcement allude to that??? See his comments in attached.

Low-cost airline announces Ireland-US flights
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/0223/854826-norwegian-airline/

Bussywussy · 23-02-2017 3:29pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Trust Labour TD Alan Kelly to put a dampener on the good news suggesting a Trojan horse conspiracy theory that Cork airport was "used" to advance a third terminal at DUB??? how does today's route announcement allude to that??? See his comments in attached.

Low-cost airline announces Ireland-US flights
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2017/0223/854826-norwegian-airline/

He's irrelevant,nobody listens to the fool

Van.Bosch · 23-02-2017 3:29pm

EI will respond similar to how they handled Ryanair when they started BVA, HHN etc.

It will depend how much traffic they lose but these supposedly low fares might stimulate demand.

Idbatterim · 23-02-2017 3:29pm

what s**te is Alan Kelly coming out with?! Dublin has ten times the cork traffic, 50 flights a day I read to the us over the summer. What the hell did he expect? Cork has its transatlantic flight!

REBELSAFC · 23-02-2017 3:46pm

What has happened to the Cork Barcelona route that norwegian were going to operate

JCX BXC · 23-02-2017 3:46pm

Cork was used by Norwegian in this case though to get approval for the services, when the real goal was Dublin.

That's never been exactly hard to see though.

I notice that 5 airports got services today from Norwegian, ORK,SNN,DUB,BFS,EDI and out of them ORK is the only one without a service to Stewart.

JCX BXC · 23-02-2017 3:47pm

REBELSAFC wrote: »

What has happened to the Cork Barcelona route that norwegian were going to operate

That was the plan around 2 years back when the flights were planned to be BCN-ORK-BOS, BCN-BOS materialised by itself so that was no longer going to happen.

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